| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises 07:10 - May 9 with 1188 views | bluelagos |
Fans making a stand & difference to clubs exploiting loyalty
Clubs pushing hospitality before ordinary fans
£425 prices at Man City
And our fans groups' response to a 14% price rise (35% rise per game) is...?
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| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 07:23 - May 9 with 1138 views | ParisBlue |
Can't wait until we release our matchday ticket prices next season.
Thankfully the £30 away ticket price embargo is continuing in the PL. |  |
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| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 07:33 - May 9 with 1096 views | bluelagos |
| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 07:23 - May 9 by ParisBlue |
Can't wait until we release our matchday ticket prices next season.
Thankfully the £30 away ticket price embargo is continuing in the PL. |
A direct consequence of a fans campaign that. At the time I recall some on here opposing the campaign too.
Would love to see the club be way more focussed on ordinary fans and affordability. Safe standing on the all lower tiers, with capped prices for all existing ST holders (who stood by the club in League 1) could easily be funded by the club if they were interested in putting stadium atmosphere before hospitality expansion. | |
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| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 07:44 - May 9 with 1056 views | nrb1985 |
On a related note - As part of my job, once a month or so I send clients topical notes or random thoughts on financial markets that aren’t necessarily related to the day to day but provide what I think are interesting titbits with a capital markets slant.
When brightpath bought their stake I wrote a little piece about it but moreover - the jist was the fact that now even ourselves in sleepy Suffolk and our dear friends up the road are attracting American institutional capital, this was I felt the slow and inevitable march sadly towards the Americanisation of English football. I summed it up as “bullish for ITFC, bearish English football”
Unfortunately I’ve seen nothing to dissuade me from that conclusion sadly. And I think the ticket rises you mention are just the start. [Post edited 9 May 7:44]
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| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 07:44 - May 9 with 1047 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 07:33 - May 9 by bluelagos |
A direct consequence of a fans campaign that. At the time I recall some on here opposing the campaign too.
Would love to see the club be way more focussed on ordinary fans and affordability. Safe standing on the all lower tiers, with capped prices for all existing ST holders (who stood by the club in League 1) could easily be funded by the club if they were interested in putting stadium atmosphere before hospitality expansion. |
Really good interview by the FSA at the end there, sadly many on here won't care because there's a waiting list of people with much more disposable income than others. |  |
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| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 08:02 - May 9 with 971 views | bluelagos |
| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 07:44 - May 9 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Really good interview by the FSA at the end there, sadly many on here won't care because there's a waiting list of people with much more disposable income than others. |
Wonder if they consider where the "free market" view of pricing ends up though? Dynamic pricing anyone?
And the implications of the continued rising costs as wealthier fans replace working class ones re match day atmosphere, prices already an issue for some struggling to afford visits.
Roy Keane called it out many years ago and here we are persuing hospitality.
Think I'm wrong? I'll wager anyone on here any proposed new stand development has more hospitality capacity than safe standing capacity.... | |
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| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 08:08 - May 9 with 948 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 08:02 - May 9 by bluelagos |
Wonder if they consider where the "free market" view of pricing ends up though? Dynamic pricing anyone?
And the implications of the continued rising costs as wealthier fans replace working class ones re match day atmosphere, prices already an issue for some struggling to afford visits.
Roy Keane called it out many years ago and here we are persuing hospitality.
Think I'm wrong? I'll wager anyone on here any proposed new stand development has more hospitality capacity than safe standing capacity.... |
If it's anything like Liverpool away a couple of seasons back, there will be a rousing rendition of Call me Ted before the game followed by 90 minutes of near silence. | |
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| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 08:37 - May 9 with 896 views | bluelagos |
| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 08:08 - May 9 by BanksterDebtSlave |
If it's anything like Liverpool away a couple of seasons back, there will be a rousing rendition of Call me Ted before the game followed by 90 minutes of near silence. |
The new stand at Anfield (was a new tier to be accurate) added loads of hospitality (a huge lounge without seats in the stand - sounds very similar to the 3 lions lounge) which is now marketed very much at the footballing "tourist" who visits once or twice a season and is priced accordingly.
Don't think we will have the overseas demand that some clubs do (from Ireland, Scandanavia etc.) but can see the club looking to exploit demand by pushing packages for excluded fans.
New stand layouts will be quite an eye opener where the club wants to go - towards a tourist model or retaining it's traditional links with ordinary local fans. | |
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| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 10:17 - May 9 with 705 views | urbanpenguin |
| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 07:33 - May 9 by bluelagos |
A direct consequence of a fans campaign that. At the time I recall some on here opposing the campaign too.
Would love to see the club be way more focussed on ordinary fans and affordability. Safe standing on the all lower tiers, with capped prices for all existing ST holders (who stood by the club in League 1) could easily be funded by the club if they were interested in putting stadium atmosphere before hospitality expansion. |
If I ran a football club and had just seen the support home and away, pitch invasion, turnout in the town for the bus parade, etc, I would be fighting tooth and nail for fans' rights and thinking "you know what, we may make a couple of million less in ticket income but we get that back in goodwill, energy and support". |  | | |
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| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 10:52 - May 9 with 651 views | bluelagos |
| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 10:17 - May 9 by urbanpenguin |
If I ran a football club and had just seen the support home and away, pitch invasion, turnout in the town for the bus parade, etc, I would be fighting tooth and nail for fans' rights and thinking "you know what, we may make a couple of million less in ticket income but we get that back in goodwill, energy and support". |
Putting ordinary fans before profit? Never catch on mate :-) | |
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| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 11:28 - May 9 with 611 views | LandOfMickyStockwell |
| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 07:23 - May 9 by ParisBlue |
Can't wait until we release our matchday ticket prices next season.
Thankfully the £30 away ticket price embargo is continuing in the PL. |
I would be interested in how our cheapest home ticket compares with the £30 away seats. Just to get a sense of any cross subsidy and what it's worth to get the same deal for our own fans away at 19 other venues.
I would also say high away points holders (which includes me) are benefitting of being on the right side of supply restrictions but still pay at a low cost. That certainly encourages me to buy every ticket (£570 Prem away season ticket if you like). The balance to this is the membership fee, which I expect to go up (but at least the money goes to ITFC and contributes to any cross subsidy of away tickets in general).
That said, travel and food costs outweigh ticket costs. Football is not cheap, but I would wish a wider distribution of fans could enjoy it. Especially younger fans going away. |  | | |
| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 11:44 - May 9 with 575 views | bluelagos |
| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 11:28 - May 9 by LandOfMickyStockwell |
I would be interested in how our cheapest home ticket compares with the £30 away seats. Just to get a sense of any cross subsidy and what it's worth to get the same deal for our own fans away at 19 other venues.
I would also say high away points holders (which includes me) are benefitting of being on the right side of supply restrictions but still pay at a low cost. That certainly encourages me to buy every ticket (£570 Prem away season ticket if you like). The balance to this is the membership fee, which I expect to go up (but at least the money goes to ITFC and contributes to any cross subsidy of away tickets in general).
That said, travel and food costs outweigh ticket costs. Football is not cheap, but I would wish a wider distribution of fans could enjoy it. Especially younger fans going away. |
The bit that scares me is where will the next generation come from, in a situation where you have 21k ST holders, 3k away tickets, another 2-3k (Don't know the exact numbers or plans) being sold on a tourist model (The hospitality model - over £100 for a game and only affordable for wealthier fans) - leaving how many tickets for those wanting to go on a match by match basis?
Enter a ballot, hope to get lucky and how many young kids are going to get the chance to go with their mates? (As I did as a teenager)
How many ST holders can even access tickets near them to take their kids or nephews on an occasional visit?
IF the only route to accessing the football for ST fans friends and family is the 3 Lions lounge - it becomes the preserve of wealthier fans.
Working class fans are traditionally the bedrock of football support and there is real danger they are getting priced out (if not already) with barely any recognition of what this may mean in the long term.
Recall well when the club sent stewards to insist on fans sitting on the back rows of a block where I sit with the insistence that the hospitality fans views must not be blocked. One very agitated fan pointed out "Where were these guys on a Tuesday night in league 1?" which I thought very pertinent.
We might one day need the loyal fans once more, and exploiting their loyalty now feels incredibly short sighted to me. | |
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| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 12:05 - May 9 with 525 views | yesjohn99 |
| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 11:44 - May 9 by bluelagos |
The bit that scares me is where will the next generation come from, in a situation where you have 21k ST holders, 3k away tickets, another 2-3k (Don't know the exact numbers or plans) being sold on a tourist model (The hospitality model - over £100 for a game and only affordable for wealthier fans) - leaving how many tickets for those wanting to go on a match by match basis?
Enter a ballot, hope to get lucky and how many young kids are going to get the chance to go with their mates? (As I did as a teenager)
How many ST holders can even access tickets near them to take their kids or nephews on an occasional visit?
IF the only route to accessing the football for ST fans friends and family is the 3 Lions lounge - it becomes the preserve of wealthier fans.
Working class fans are traditionally the bedrock of football support and there is real danger they are getting priced out (if not already) with barely any recognition of what this may mean in the long term.
Recall well when the club sent stewards to insist on fans sitting on the back rows of a block where I sit with the insistence that the hospitality fans views must not be blocked. One very agitated fan pointed out "Where were these guys on a Tuesday night in league 1?" which I thought very pertinent.
We might one day need the loyal fans once more, and exploiting their loyalty now feels incredibly short sighted to me. |
I don’t think there is a care in the world for the ‘ordinary’ supporter in the premier league. I myself am probably 3-4 seasons away from being priced out of price hikes continue as they have for the past three seasons. | | | |
| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 12:14 - May 9 with 504 views | ParisBlue |
| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 11:28 - May 9 by LandOfMickyStockwell |
I would be interested in how our cheapest home ticket compares with the £30 away seats. Just to get a sense of any cross subsidy and what it's worth to get the same deal for our own fans away at 19 other venues.
I would also say high away points holders (which includes me) are benefitting of being on the right side of supply restrictions but still pay at a low cost. That certainly encourages me to buy every ticket (£570 Prem away season ticket if you like). The balance to this is the membership fee, which I expect to go up (but at least the money goes to ITFC and contributes to any cross subsidy of away tickets in general).
That said, travel and food costs outweigh ticket costs. Football is not cheap, but I would wish a wider distribution of fans could enjoy it. Especially younger fans going away. |
Don't forget the booking fees!
With it being category A vs qpr I paid £38 in SBRL, the cheapest.
My trips to PR have certainly reduced, partly down to the matchday ticket costs. Like you I have the away points so next season I'll be at most of the aways.
I doubt I'll visit PR more than once or twice sadly. I had a season ticket in the SBRL for ~20 years until 2018. A lot of familiar faces, it's certainly an aging population down there....
Football is cyclical though. At some point in my life I imagine we'll be back in the Championship, no parachutes etc. Tickets will be easier then, especially with a larger capacity and I don't really give a monkeys whether we're playing Liverpool or Luton, Bournemouth or Birmingham. The geography of Ipswich leads me to believe there will always be some level of availability. | |
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| Lots of interesting points on this BBC piece on fans & price rises on 12:33 - May 9 with 456 views | nodge_blue |
I hear this but in a world where going to see a band play bow can cost 50 to 100 quid, i don't think season ticket prices are bad value. But i do think there is a obligation on clubs to keep rhe game inclusive for all. Its really noticeable how touristy premiere league away support feels now compared to 30 years ago. [Post edited 9 May 12:35]
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