| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? 04:24 - May 10 with 2277 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Squad Cost Ratio. It seems like the mid tier established teams voted against it, not the bottom ones, which was interesting. It also helps big clubs that have debt as they don’t have to worry about interest like they did with PSR.
From my limited understanding, we will be allowed to spend 85% of our revenue on player costs, which assume includes all fees and wages.
Previously with PSR it was what you’re allowed to lose over a 3 year period (I think).
Trying to get my head around of this makes life easier or harder for a promoted club. Wasn’t the amount you could lose due to previous years books as a promoted team 22M a year, compared to 35M as an established PL club?
I think the bottom team in the PL still receives revenue of 110M or so in TV and (prize) money when said and done. In terms of transfers fees alone I should imagine we will have 90-100M minimum to play with when considering our other revenue streams and commercial deals.
What this does mean is that long term sustainability is clearly clubs like us are going to need to find as much non match day revenue as possible and a new Cobbold stand will surely help that.
When thinking of these regulations, it’s kind of annoying having to spend 7M on Akpom on a 3 year contract with no doubt sizeable wages! Not very helpful!
If transfers fees are also amortized over the length of contract it does also show how important player trading is and having those 8 figures buys hold their value in terms of future sales as well. [Post edited 10 May 4:39]
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| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 05:56 - May 10 with 2170 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
I think it's better for us.
With PSR you were allowed losses of £35M a year in the PL, but only £13M a year in the Championship. So last time around we were only allowed losses of £13M + £13M + £35M for the rolling 22/23, 23/24 & 24/25 period.
For 2026/27 we will be on a level playing field with other clubs that have a similar turnover to us, although we'll probably be behind most other clubs when you include revenue from player sales. |  | | |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 06:00 - May 10 with 2161 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 05:56 - May 10 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
I think it's better for us.
With PSR you were allowed losses of £35M a year in the PL, but only £13M a year in the Championship. So last time around we were only allowed losses of £13M + £13M + £35M for the rolling 22/23, 23/24 & 24/25 period.
For 2026/27 we will be on a level playing field with other clubs that have a similar turnover to us, although we'll probably be behind most other clubs when you include revenue from player sales. |
Yeah I think PSR average out from the books of the previous years in the EFL may have been a disadvantage.
I believe our revenue will be somewhere around 165M-170M maybe, certainly south of Leeds and Sunderland are but above what Burnley have/had at that level.
We will be going up with a much higher wage bill this time though. It does seem to simplify things a little bit and get rid of loop holes like selling hotels. Might even make clubs less tempted to sell homegrown talent to sit on the bench elsewhere as well which could be a positive for academy development. [Post edited 10 May 6:01]
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| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 07:58 - May 10 with 1949 views | EssexBloo |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 05:56 - May 10 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
I think it's better for us.
With PSR you were allowed losses of £35M a year in the PL, but only £13M a year in the Championship. So last time around we were only allowed losses of £13M + £13M + £35M for the rolling 22/23, 23/24 & 24/25 period.
For 2026/27 we will be on a level playing field with other clubs that have a similar turnover to us, although we'll probably be behind most other clubs when you include revenue from player sales. |
Is it possible to work out roughly what our transfer budget would therefore be compared to two years ago? Should have some money incoming for Muric, Szmods and possibly Ben J. | | | |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 08:40 - May 10 with 1855 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 07:58 - May 10 by EssexBloo |
Is it possible to work out roughly what our transfer budget would therefore be compared to two years ago? Should have some money incoming for Muric, Szmods and possibly Ben J. |
In 24/25 our turnover was £155M incl. TV revenue of £111M. We spent about £130M, but only received about £2M for Ahadme, El Miz and Edmundson. It's more complicated than that though, because transfers are amortised over the length of the contract.
A new TV deal started in 25/26, but if we assume our TV revenue will be similar next season, we should be able to spend a bit more as like you say money will be received for Muric and Szmodics.
Our turnover should also be higher next season, due to increased revenue from commercial/sponsorship/hospitality/retail etc. | | | |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 09:00 - May 10 with 1779 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
I did a rough calculation about a week ago. We're not, from what I can see, going to be particularly constrained by the amount SCR would allow us to spend on new signings. The total is obscene - and that's only based on 85%. You can go to as much as 115% without sanctions, if you demonstrate a credibly plan to reduce it in subsequent years.
However, as well as SCR, SRR (Sustainability and Systemic Resilience) is also being introduced which are tests designed to measure the financial stability of the club, and prevent clubs from embracing unsustainable fiscal policies - aimed at assessing solvency.
SCR rules next season, any accountants able to shed some light on this? by SuffolkPunchFC 4 May 10:35I have your numbers way out [smile]
My quick calculation, based on 24/25 accounts for when we were last in the PL.
Revenue £155M
Total wage bill £77M
Player costs amortised £30M
(estimated to be £27M now, due to Delap and Hutchinson leaving, and accounting for new signings)
Estimated Revenue for 26/27 £180M
At 85% SCR, that gives us £153M to play around with
(There are 'safe' ways to exceed this but reduce future flexibility, so will ignore that)
Remove costs excluding player amortisation (£77M-£27M = £50M) leaves £103M
The signings would of course have to be paid - so let's assume 8 players at £50k/week, so £21M, reducing the headroom to £82M
Signings of players over 4 year contracts would allow £328M, or £410M for 5 years (contracts would of course vary) after amortisation
Now, we would not IMO want to go anywhere near 85% SCR ratio - we were 49% last year, but I don't see SCR being the limiting factor for us - it would be other fiscal responsibility that determines what we're prepared to put into player signing.
This is a quick calculation (so ignore positives such as players leaving), but I think it's about right.
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| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 09:25 - May 10 with 1652 views | jasondozzell |
Thanks for outlining this. I was vaguely aware of the SCR thing coming in but didn't know much about it so this helps.
The bigger clubs gave locked in this stuff it feels to me to ensure that they can't be challenged. At the same time, there does need to be some financial control.
Money has ruined the game.
As much as what we can spend matters, it's going to be about clever recruitment. |  | | |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 11:31 - May 10 with 1422 views | OldFart71 |
The lowest attendance averages in the Premier League were Fulham at £27,216, Crystal Palace at 24,907, Burnley at 20,990,Brentford 17,127 and Bournemouth at 11,172,
All of whom we can surpass.
Of those only Burnley were relegated and Bournemouth are 6th with Brentford at 8th.
So it really is to do with getting the right players in and being able to sell the occasional player you have brought on.
I sincerely hope that we can get this right.
The last time we were in the Prem we obviously had Delap and Hutch with a few others that still remain in the current squad.
Our midfield wasn't good enough, Leif had a pretty poor season. Muric didn't become the keeper we hoped for.
So in essence I believe we need cover for both fullbacks, at least one other midfielder, a number 9 and 10 and a winger to take over from Wes. Goalkeeper wise Walton deserves his chance and we need someone to push him. | | | |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 11:45 - May 10 with 1394 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 11:31 - May 10 by OldFart71 |
The lowest attendance averages in the Premier League were Fulham at £27,216, Crystal Palace at 24,907, Burnley at 20,990,Brentford 17,127 and Bournemouth at 11,172,
All of whom we can surpass.
Of those only Burnley were relegated and Bournemouth are 6th with Brentford at 8th.
So it really is to do with getting the right players in and being able to sell the occasional player you have brought on.
I sincerely hope that we can get this right.
The last time we were in the Prem we obviously had Delap and Hutch with a few others that still remain in the current squad.
Our midfield wasn't good enough, Leif had a pretty poor season. Muric didn't become the keeper we hoped for.
So in essence I believe we need cover for both fullbacks, at least one other midfielder, a number 9 and 10 and a winger to take over from Wes. Goalkeeper wise Walton deserves his chance and we need someone to push him. |
We can't think in terms of who 'deserves a chance'. You could make that argument for much of the squad if that was the key metric.
Walton will make good cover for the PL, but IMO we need a new No.1, like we do in many other positions. I'd put a new first choice 'keeper as one of the key positions we need to sort out by September. | | | |
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| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 12:22 - May 10 with 1321 views | Achane |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 11:45 - May 10 by SuffolkPunchFC |
We can't think in terms of who 'deserves a chance'. You could make that argument for much of the squad if that was the key metric.
Walton will make good cover for the PL, but IMO we need a new No.1, like we do in many other positions. I'd put a new first choice 'keeper as one of the key positions we need to sort out by September. |
What areas do you feel Walton falls short of prem quality I think he was a vital cog in the wheel pulling off numerous brilliant saves and relieving pressure by claiming crosses and I can't think of any real blunders. Why disturb the understanding in the defence unless it's a pressing need look what happened last time | | | |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 12:47 - May 10 with 1251 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 12:22 - May 10 by Achane |
What areas do you feel Walton falls short of prem quality I think he was a vital cog in the wheel pulling off numerous brilliant saves and relieving pressure by claiming crosses and I can't think of any real blunders. Why disturb the understanding in the defence unless it's a pressing need look what happened last time |
His kicking just isn't good enough for the PL as our number 1. It results in us giving away possession far too often, and that will be punished in the PL. His Sweeper role has improved a lot this season, which he used to be weak at, but the kicking just isn't where it needs to be. | | | |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 15:52 - May 10 with 1141 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 09:00 - May 10 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I did a rough calculation about a week ago. We're not, from what I can see, going to be particularly constrained by the amount SCR would allow us to spend on new signings. The total is obscene - and that's only based on 85%. You can go to as much as 115% without sanctions, if you demonstrate a credibly plan to reduce it in subsequent years.
However, as well as SCR, SRR (Sustainability and Systemic Resilience) is also being introduced which are tests designed to measure the financial stability of the club, and prevent clubs from embracing unsustainable fiscal policies - aimed at assessing solvency.
SCR rules next season, any accountants able to shed some light on this? by SuffolkPunchFC 4 May 10:35I have your numbers way out [smile]
My quick calculation, based on 24/25 accounts for when we were last in the PL.
Revenue £155M
Total wage bill £77M
Player costs amortised £30M
(estimated to be £27M now, due to Delap and Hutchinson leaving, and accounting for new signings)
Estimated Revenue for 26/27 £180M
At 85% SCR, that gives us £153M to play around with
(There are 'safe' ways to exceed this but reduce future flexibility, so will ignore that)
Remove costs excluding player amortisation (£77M-£27M = £50M) leaves £103M
The signings would of course have to be paid - so let's assume 8 players at £50k/week, so £21M, reducing the headroom to £82M
Signings of players over 4 year contracts would allow £328M, or £410M for 5 years (contracts would of course vary) after amortisation
Now, we would not IMO want to go anywhere near 85% SCR ratio - we were 49% last year, but I don't see SCR being the limiting factor for us - it would be other fiscal responsibility that determines what we're prepared to put into player signing.
This is a quick calculation (so ignore positives such as players leaving), but I think it's about right.
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Thanks seems roughly inline with my thinking in terms of our budget. I think we could be very comfortable at 70-75%, we need to give ourselves the best chance. | |
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| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 15:56 - May 10 with 1128 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 12:22 - May 10 by Achane |
What areas do you feel Walton falls short of prem quality I think he was a vital cog in the wheel pulling off numerous brilliant saves and relieving pressure by claiming crosses and I can't think of any real blunders. Why disturb the understanding in the defence unless it's a pressing need look what happened last time |
He’s not good enough, he was very decent for a good defensive Championship team and made some smart saves last season but you’ve got to think about our XG against and the quality of opposition as well. He also wasn’t without his issues at places like Sheffield United and Wrexham. We need a clear upgrade, I wouldn’t be comfortable going into the season with him. He’d have us under pressure with his distribution as well. | |
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| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 16:06 - May 10 with 1103 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 11:31 - May 10 by OldFart71 |
The lowest attendance averages in the Premier League were Fulham at £27,216, Crystal Palace at 24,907, Burnley at 20,990,Brentford 17,127 and Bournemouth at 11,172,
All of whom we can surpass.
Of those only Burnley were relegated and Bournemouth are 6th with Brentford at 8th.
So it really is to do with getting the right players in and being able to sell the occasional player you have brought on.
I sincerely hope that we can get this right.
The last time we were in the Prem we obviously had Delap and Hutch with a few others that still remain in the current squad.
Our midfield wasn't good enough, Leif had a pretty poor season. Muric didn't become the keeper we hoped for.
So in essence I believe we need cover for both fullbacks, at least one other midfielder, a number 9 and 10 and a winger to take over from Wes. Goalkeeper wise Walton deserves his chance and we need someone to push him. |
Attendances will be part of it in terms of revenue but wouldn’t just go by that. Bournemouth have about 200M with 12k capacity.
Leif Davis can only play in a 5 at PL level IMO, especially away. It’s suicide for a newly promoted club to have a full back that plays that high. If we are going pragmatic and want to have him as a regular starter I expect a system change this year. | |
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| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 09:24 - May 11 with 889 views | darkhorse28 |
Designed to mitigate clubs selling hotels. Woman’s teams, and youth players for ten times their actual value (to each other).
So should suit any club that hasn’t done that, including us. The three years was SUCH an advantage to us when we had our league one P&L on the books. And premier league revenue.
My frustration was and still is, we didn’t maximise that, under the rules. No club had such a unique opportunity to spend big, we spent the money, but didn’t get the short term results.
That year has gone now anyway, so the change suits us, having that drop off the books would have been a big drag for us, so it’s good timing, we have the revenue now, and losing the league one season isn’t as big an issue, and neither if having the premier league season of big spending.
It’s worked well for us. | | | |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 11:49 - May 11 with 766 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 09:24 - May 11 by darkhorse28 |
Designed to mitigate clubs selling hotels. Woman’s teams, and youth players for ten times their actual value (to each other).
So should suit any club that hasn’t done that, including us. The three years was SUCH an advantage to us when we had our league one P&L on the books. And premier league revenue.
My frustration was and still is, we didn’t maximise that, under the rules. No club had such a unique opportunity to spend big, we spent the money, but didn’t get the short term results.
That year has gone now anyway, so the change suits us, having that drop off the books would have been a big drag for us, so it’s good timing, we have the revenue now, and losing the league one season isn’t as big an issue, and neither if having the premier league season of big spending.
It’s worked well for us. |
You're going to have to explain how you believe having a season in league 1 benefited us in the PL, since it's the precise opposite?
L1 clubs do not operate under PSR, but rather SCMP - completely different systems. So, what happens when a club is promoted from L1, and then falls under PSR, is that their PSR is calculated to bring it into the Championship system. When we were prompted into the PL, we therefore had the equivalent of 2 years under Championship PSR to add to 1 in the PL for the 3 year rolling calculation.
The result of this is that for our season in the PL we had a PSR limit of £61M (£35M + 2 * £13M), rather than the £105M established PL clubs have - a CLEAR DISADVANTGE for us as a promoted club. | | | |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 12:06 - May 11 with 733 views | bartyg |
For teams who have recently been promoted I think it's a strict positive, because you're not limited by the championship PSR limits.
In 2024/25 we ended up with headroom of £32m, if SCR had been in place that would've been ~£55m (at 85%, however you can go up to 115% without league sanctions). |  |
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| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 12:48 - May 11 with 627 views | mellowblue |
Unless we establish ourselves in the Prem, it won't matter one iota. If we get relegated (as expected by most) we will be back to the EFL'S profitability and sustainability rules (profitability taken with a pinch of salt as that rarely happens). It would be sensible if SCR was extended to the whole league structure to cut out the amiguitires e.g Leicester who fell foul of operating under 2 financial structures as they were yoyoing between the 2 leagues and effectively played the system or failed to understand what was needed to stay out of trouble. Also yoyoing avoided facing the outcome of the league jurisdictions as they were never in one league long enough to be held to account until this season. SCR with a joint PL/EFL rules and jurisdiction would make good sense. | | | |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 15:56 - May 11 with 384 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Will SCR be a positive or negative over PSR for newly promoted clubs? on 12:06 - May 11 by bartyg |
For teams who have recently been promoted I think it's a strict positive, because you're not limited by the championship PSR limits.
In 2024/25 we ended up with headroom of £32m, if SCR had been in place that would've been ~£55m (at 85%, however you can go up to 115% without league sanctions). |
Certainly I think SCR will help us.
I'm not sure what you're referring to by ~£55m with respect to SCR though. It's a ratio, and with £155M revenue and a £77M payroll, our SCR ratio would have been 51% in 24/25, so well within the (soft) cap. | | | |
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