| Hull 15:31 - May 12 with 1099 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Now they’ve got through that tie I quite fancy them to do something ridiculous. They’ve beat both of the other Semi finalist, albeit, they didn’t get a spring version of Southampton. Clearly a manager that has a lot for tactical ability and a hard side to break down. Would love a 20% possession game 1-0 Tigers win at Wembley.
Need to be cheering for this. Going up with Cov and a team that’s been under a transfer embargo would give us a real chance if any other teams falter. We’ve got serious work to do but imagine building out that entire Hull squad.
Anyone but Southampton would be a good outcome for us. If the Saints stay down, there’s a couple to keep an eye on in that team as well as I wouldn’t see them as your typical Championship side, they have a more ready PL squad than us at the moment. |  |
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| Hull on 15:39 - May 12 with 1035 views | NthQldITFC |
It would be great from a selfish perspective, but they're streets behind Saints and Boro, and should be cut to ribbons on the wide plains of Wembley. 'Should be'. |  |
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| Hull on 15:42 - May 12 with 1023 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Hull on 15:39 - May 12 by NthQldITFC |
It would be great from a selfish perspective, but they're streets behind Saints and Boro, and should be cut to ribbons on the wide plains of Wembley. 'Should be'. |
Boro have a great habit of dominating teams and not scoring. | |
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| Hull on 15:47 - May 12 with 963 views | NthQldITFC |
| Hull on 15:42 - May 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Boro have a great habit of dominating teams and not scoring. |
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| Hull on 15:50 - May 12 with 941 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I actually think Boro are a better team than Southampton though I understand that they have the infrastructure and squad to be a better premier league team next season.
To me Boro under Hellberg have played the best football this season out of any team they just have an incredible habit of missing multiple big chances every game. See the first leg. They really are good to watch and have done it for a while without their best player.
If the worst was to happen this off season and McKenna went (don’t think he will and hope he doesn’t) Hellberg should absolutely be the number 1 choice in my opinion.
To your overall point though, in a one off game I do think Hill can beat both they have the right sort of style for it. [Post edited 12 May 15:51]
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| Hull on 15:51 - May 12 with 930 views | Illinoisblue |
Hull boss should get Manager of the Year. Almost relegated last season, transfer embargo and now one game away from promotion.
And yes, fingers crossed they go up, would massively help us if it’s not saints who go up. |  |
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| Hull on 15:54 - May 12 with 910 views | Jasper |
If Hull do go up, that's going to be a horrible Championship to get out of next season. A lot of potentially big spenders:
West Ham or Spurs
Burnley
Wolves
Southampton
Boro
Wrexham
Birmingham
Norwich???
Then teams like Millwall and Derby punching above their weight + a surprise package or two. |  | | |
| Hull on 15:57 - May 12 with 890 views | _CliveBaker_ |
In a final all bets are off, they're capable of beating either IMO. Probably not favourites, but capable. They've travelled really well this season too.
The other benefit of going up with Hull rather than Saints (as well as potential competitiveness next season) is we'll probably be after all the same players as Saints if they go up, whereas we could probably out spend Hull. |  | | |
| Hull on 16:10 - May 12 with 817 views | tonybied |
Would they still be under the embargo in the PL? Isn't the embargo EFL enforced?
Obviously, regardless they would be under much more financial constraint than us, so would be the best of the bunch to go up with. |  | | |
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| Hull on 16:12 - May 12 with 810 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Hull on 15:54 - May 12 by Jasper |
If Hull do go up, that's going to be a horrible Championship to get out of next season. A lot of potentially big spenders:
West Ham or Spurs
Burnley
Wolves
Southampton
Boro
Wrexham
Birmingham
Norwich???
Then teams like Millwall and Derby punching above their weight + a surprise package or two. |
Yes this is what really added to my stress at end of the season. Think god now we can reset in the PL properly. | |
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| Hull on 16:16 - May 12 with 784 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Hull on 15:54 - May 12 by Jasper |
If Hull do go up, that's going to be a horrible Championship to get out of next season. A lot of potentially big spenders:
West Ham or Spurs
Burnley
Wolves
Southampton
Boro
Wrexham
Birmingham
Norwich???
Then teams like Millwall and Derby punching above their weight + a surprise package or two. |
And we should worry because ? |  | | |
| Hull on 16:19 - May 12 with 763 views | flykickingbybgunn |
Would be pleased to see Hull go up. They deserve their moment.
Plus is it being selfish that the more teams likely to finish below us the better ? | | | |
| Hull on 16:29 - May 12 with 708 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Hull on 15:50 - May 12 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I actually think Boro are a better team than Southampton though I understand that they have the infrastructure and squad to be a better premier league team next season.
To me Boro under Hellberg have played the best football this season out of any team they just have an incredible habit of missing multiple big chances every game. See the first leg. They really are good to watch and have done it for a while without their best player.
If the worst was to happen this off season and McKenna went (don’t think he will and hope he doesn’t) Hellberg should absolutely be the number 1 choice in my opinion.
To your overall point though, in a one off game I do think Hill can beat both they have the right sort of style for it. [Post edited 12 May 15:51]
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Hellberg's an interesting one. On the one hand they've looked very good on their day, probably the best side in the division when they're on it. On the other they're very inconsistent and their inability to win so many of those games you really would've expected them to is a concern. Its not a 1 off either, there's a big enough sample size of them now for it to be something of a trend. He joined at a good time taking over from Edwards and only managed 6th placed form since.
I think you're right on balance, the eyeball test says he's got something about him, but I don't think he's got exceptional results this season baring in mind the hand he was dealt. | | | |
| Hull on 17:07 - May 12 with 565 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Hull on 16:29 - May 12 by _CliveBaker_ |
Hellberg's an interesting one. On the one hand they've looked very good on their day, probably the best side in the division when they're on it. On the other they're very inconsistent and their inability to win so many of those games you really would've expected them to is a concern. Its not a 1 off either, there's a big enough sample size of them now for it to be something of a trend. He joined at a good time taking over from Edwards and only managed 6th placed form since.
I think you're right on balance, the eyeball test says he's got something about him, but I don't think he's got exceptional results this season baring in mind the hand he was dealt. |
It’s true that post them getting to 2nd they really should have kicked on a held that spot given they run they had but watching some of their games was genuinely unbelievable. I thought our strikers lacked potency this season, the Boro players seemed to be having a competition of who could miss the best chance.
Just looking at a 5 game run they had XGs of 2.30 2.72 2.98 1.22 2.69. They won 0 of those games. Great news obviously as it left the door open for us but from a neutral stance not sure what more Hellberg really could’ve done in those games. Tommy Conway is often the guilty part although I do think he’s got a bit about him.
Same applies to McKenna at times as well this season where we’ve dominated the game created plenty of clear cut chances and just that lack of a clinical goal scorer cost us points.i think it was the Watford game where Nunez and Azon missed 2 golden opportunities that sticks in my mind. That’s football I guess though. [Post edited 12 May 17:08]
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| Hull on 17:29 - May 12 with 497 views | EastTownBlue |
| Hull on 16:19 - May 12 by flykickingbybgunn |
Would be pleased to see Hull go up. They deserve their moment.
Plus is it being selfish that the more teams likely to finish below us the better ? |
Not wrong at all. You have to look at the fellow promoted teams as two of the three that we will need to finish below us as well as the best prospect of picking up 12 points. We only picked up two points against Southampton and Leicester last time. | | | |
| Hull on 17:59 - May 12 with 412 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Hull on 17:07 - May 12 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
It’s true that post them getting to 2nd they really should have kicked on a held that spot given they run they had but watching some of their games was genuinely unbelievable. I thought our strikers lacked potency this season, the Boro players seemed to be having a competition of who could miss the best chance.
Just looking at a 5 game run they had XGs of 2.30 2.72 2.98 1.22 2.69. They won 0 of those games. Great news obviously as it left the door open for us but from a neutral stance not sure what more Hellberg really could’ve done in those games. Tommy Conway is often the guilty part although I do think he’s got a bit about him.
Same applies to McKenna at times as well this season where we’ve dominated the game created plenty of clear cut chances and just that lack of a clinical goal scorer cost us points.i think it was the Watford game where Nunez and Azon missed 2 golden opportunities that sticks in my mind. That’s football I guess though. [Post edited 12 May 17:08]
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Boro should have got 87-90 points, they had relegation form for 2 months. We were a bit lucky if we are being honest. | |
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| Hull on 18:04 - May 12 with 394 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Hull on 17:29 - May 12 by EastTownBlue |
Not wrong at all. You have to look at the fellow promoted teams as two of the three that we will need to finish below us as well as the best prospect of picking up 12 points. We only picked up two points against Southampton and Leicester last time. |
We fell well short last time but if you think of the below there’s room for optimism.
-Started against Liverpool and City
-No advanced scouting network in place
-League 1 players off the bench all year
-Drew games we should have won first half of season
-Tones of injuries
-2 points of fellow promoted sides
-Didn’t have time/personnel to adapt style of league
Hopefully in a lot better position to avoid much of the above! [Post edited 12 May 18:06]
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| Hull on 18:33 - May 12 with 261 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Hull on 17:07 - May 12 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
It’s true that post them getting to 2nd they really should have kicked on a held that spot given they run they had but watching some of their games was genuinely unbelievable. I thought our strikers lacked potency this season, the Boro players seemed to be having a competition of who could miss the best chance.
Just looking at a 5 game run they had XGs of 2.30 2.72 2.98 1.22 2.69. They won 0 of those games. Great news obviously as it left the door open for us but from a neutral stance not sure what more Hellberg really could’ve done in those games. Tommy Conway is often the guilty part although I do think he’s got a bit about him.
Same applies to McKenna at times as well this season where we’ve dominated the game created plenty of clear cut chances and just that lack of a clinical goal scorer cost us points.i think it was the Watford game where Nunez and Azon missed 2 golden opportunities that sticks in my mind. That’s football I guess though. [Post edited 12 May 17:08]
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Yeah I don't disagree with that, perhaps an element of bad luck and bad finishing, but it wasn't a 1 off, they averaged about 1 point a game for most of the final 1/4 of the season including games they really should've been winning. I have some sympathy for the manager but on the flip side its his job to find a solution, change things up. I don't accept luck over a period of 3 months tbh.
Its fine lines though, there's not a lot between Hellberg being heralded a hero and getting 2nd vs. someone like me being critical. I do think he's a good manager, they play some great football at times, I just think they've lacked a consistency and ability to get the job done from such a good position. | | | |
| Hull on 18:34 - May 12 with 261 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Hull on 18:04 - May 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We fell well short last time but if you think of the below there’s room for optimism.
-Started against Liverpool and City
-No advanced scouting network in place
-League 1 players off the bench all year
-Drew games we should have won first half of season
-Tones of injuries
-2 points of fellow promoted sides
-Didn’t have time/personnel to adapt style of league
Hopefully in a lot better position to avoid much of the above! [Post edited 12 May 18:06]
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We put in a fair few decent performances last time just didn’t have the personnel to win a 90 minute match. Think KM got a lot of his game plans bang on. If we give him some prem players it could be pretty exciting. | |
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| Hull on 19:22 - May 12 with 161 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Hull on 15:42 - May 12 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Boro have a great habit of dominating teams and not scoring. |
They do, but they can get it right too and did for a lot of the season. Tonight would be a great time to remind people of what they were doing up until the wheels fell off. |  |
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| Hull on 20:21 - May 12 with 100 views | TripSwitch |
Whoever wins this game will batter them, Millwall didn't ask enough questions and playing them suited Hull, but they won't have enough against a better footballing side |  |
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