| spygate a moral dilemma discussed in the pub 13:06 - May 28 with 1053 views | b1079blue |
Speaking hypothetically ,
your the CEO of a club where the manger may be guilty of gross misconduct and therefore could be sacked. your manager has been very successful in a short space of time and has many admirers.
Your contacts tell you that club b is very much interested in him and are waiting for you to dismiss him.
there is the potential he could manage against you next season and he also has a very significant release clause.
Do you sack him because it is the right thing to do or try and negotiate a release where you would get some or if not all of the release clause.?
For the sake of this pub debate There is no gardening leave or restrictive clauses in his contract. |  | | |  |
| spygate a moral dilemma discussed in the pub on 13:19 - May 28 with 991 views | Churchman |
His position is untenable. There’s no way he should stay.
Something I read this morning suggested that even worse than the cheating was the culture of bullying employees into doing this and the rot in that club goes right to the top.
The truth? Who knows. But the rules were there and broken. It’s blindingly obvious they tried to do this beyond the three games they were held accountable for but without proof punishment has to stand as is - and it’s a very light punishment in real terms.
Back to the point, there’s no real moral dilemma in the manager’s position. He has to go. |  | | |
| spygate a moral dilemma discussed in the pub on 13:21 - May 28 with 980 views | BseaBlue |
| spygate a moral dilemma discussed in the pub on 13:19 - May 28 by Churchman |
His position is untenable. There’s no way he should stay.
Something I read this morning suggested that even worse than the cheating was the culture of bullying employees into doing this and the rot in that club goes right to the top.
The truth? Who knows. But the rules were there and broken. It’s blindingly obvious they tried to do this beyond the three games they were held accountable for but without proof punishment has to stand as is - and it’s a very light punishment in real terms.
Back to the point, there’s no real moral dilemma in the manager’s position. He has to go. |
Agreed. Another consideration is that he could be facing a very lengthy ban. On that basis, no other club in our division would be able to use him anyway and I'm sure Saints would want to sack him for gross misconduct so they don't have to be paying him for that time either. |  | | |
| You do what Soton are doing…. on 13:24 - May 28 with 971 views | Bloots |
….wait until the disciplinary hearings into the individuals involved is concluded and then hope/expect that he is given a lengthy ban and as a result you get away without paying him any compensation.
Bingo, Robert’s your father’s brother. |  |
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| spygate a moral dilemma discussed in the pub on 14:36 - May 28 with 815 views | LandOfMickyStockwell |
I would hope that gross misconduct would negate paying up the manager's contract. Then missing the release clause money is less of a worry.
Yes, the real concern is that he turns up at Middlesbrough and finds a way for them to score shedloads against your own club. However, the manager may have an FA ban, so that might solve that problem. For a while at least.
Guaranteed winners = Lawyers. |  | | |
| spygate a moral dilemma discussed in the pub on 14:37 - May 28 with 812 views | ElderGrizzly |
| spygate a moral dilemma discussed in the pub on 13:19 - May 28 by Churchman |
His position is untenable. There’s no way he should stay.
Something I read this morning suggested that even worse than the cheating was the culture of bullying employees into doing this and the rot in that club goes right to the top.
The truth? Who knows. But the rules were there and broken. It’s blindingly obvious they tried to do this beyond the three games they were held accountable for but without proof punishment has to stand as is - and it’s a very light punishment in real terms.
Back to the point, there’s no real moral dilemma in the manager’s position. He has to go. |
There is likely to be a 1 year FIFA/UEFA ban coming for him, so even if he wasn't sacked he wouldn't be able to work. |  | | |
| spygate a moral dilemma discussed in the pub on 14:41 - May 28 with 801 views | ElderGrizzly |
| spygate a moral dilemma discussed in the pub on 14:36 - May 28 by LandOfMickyStockwell |
I would hope that gross misconduct would negate paying up the manager's contract. Then missing the release clause money is less of a worry.
Yes, the real concern is that he turns up at Middlesbrough and finds a way for them to score shedloads against your own club. However, the manager may have an FA ban, so that might solve that problem. For a while at least.
Guaranteed winners = Lawyers. |
I guess the interesting thing will be how far this went up the chain at the club.
It could be way above the manager too, in which case it is a whole different level of mess. | | | |
| spygate a moral dilemma discussed in the pub on 14:47 - May 28 with 786 views | Rsj13 |
Honestly, my perspective here is that you provide evidence of gross misconduct to the FA as part of the investigation that it opened, use that as your reason for dismissal. This would also help remove the risk of him going to a competitor, as it would increase the chances of a ban. I would assume that - as per other Senior Management roles in other sectors - that gross misconduct may well remove his right to some of his pay outs etc.
His position, in my view, is completely untenable; not just at Southampton, but in (English) football generally. If you take the circumstance: this is a man that broke the rules, bullied employees to be the "boots on the ground" breaking them, and then lied about this to officials. There is no moral dilemma, there is no place for that in any industry.
The other thing I would point out is that it sounds like he may well have been cheating since day one. So there must be serious question marks on how much any "success" will continue now he can't cheat. | | | |
| spygate a moral dilemma discussed in the pub on 15:27 - May 28 with 681 views | Devereuxxx |
As another has said, if it's proven that he's guilty of gross misconduct or another similar breach of contract (which seems highly likely) then they'll be able to sack him without paying any compensation. It's the only reason he's still technically in the role now.
He won't get another football-related job in this country again. |  | | |
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| spygate a moral dilemma discussed in the pub on 17:24 - May 28 with 572 views | Pinewoodblue |
Wait and see who the FA investigate.
Would be surprised if others, above Eckert, are not under investigation.
Johannes Spors , Sporting Director, worked with Eckert for years and was responsible for his appointment, his first as Manager. |  |
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| spygate a moral dilemma discussed in the pub on 19:20 - May 28 with 506 views | armchaircritic59 |
Speaking not hypothetically, I know of a CEO of a club who was responsible for employing said employee. It's not only that particular employee who should walk. Case of buck stops here. |  | | |
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