| Ranking Managers 12:40 - Jun 11 with 944 views | baxterbasics |
I know when we compare managers, the argument can be made that Burley, Robson, Ramsey all achieved greater in terms of the high points. But what about when you factor in where the club was when they took over, and how much it improved? That’s got to bump KM up the list a little. I don’t know the answer as to where I’d put him, only been following since Burley, just a curious discussion point. |  |
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| Ranking Managers on 12:51 - Jun 11 with 844 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Its pointless really.
Different era's, different budgets, different leagues.
They were all good. |  |
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| Ranking Managers on 12:53 - Jun 11 with 835 views | AlpineBlue |
1. Robson
2. Ramsay
3. Burley
4. Mckenna
5. Lyall
I think McKenna has been brilliant, but Burley's first season in the the Prem, and the games against Inter and Helsingborgs are my most amazing memories, so he just pips McKenna for me. However, football is different now, and McKenna's achievements were probably harder to achieve. Had he kept us up this season, I think McKenna would go ahead of Burley. |  | | |
| Ranking Managers on 12:58 - Jun 11 with 802 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Ranking Managers on 12:53 - Jun 11 by AlpineBlue |
1. Robson
2. Ramsay
3. Burley
4. Mckenna
5. Lyall
I think McKenna has been brilliant, but Burley's first season in the the Prem, and the games against Inter and Helsingborgs are my most amazing memories, so he just pips McKenna for me. However, football is different now, and McKenna's achievements were probably harder to achieve. Had he kept us up this season, I think McKenna would go ahead of Burley. |
Had he kept us up? That's a HUGE 'if'.
He clearly wasn't confident that he could.
I dont think KM's achievements were harder than getting 5th in the Prem. | |
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| Ranking Managers on 13:05 - Jun 11 with 770 views | Lion |
| Ranking Managers on 12:53 - Jun 11 by AlpineBlue |
1. Robson
2. Ramsay
3. Burley
4. Mckenna
5. Lyall
I think McKenna has been brilliant, but Burley's first season in the the Prem, and the games against Inter and Helsingborgs are my most amazing memories, so he just pips McKenna for me. However, football is different now, and McKenna's achievements were probably harder to achieve. Had he kept us up this season, I think McKenna would go ahead of Burley. |
That is absolutely spot on. | |
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| Ranking Managers on 13:13 - Jun 11 with 730 views | pingu67 |
Burley achieved much more than McKenna when you factor in that Burley inherited a completely ageing squad bereft of any real quality when he took over in December 1994
Year on year Burley had to contend with losing star players yet kept the squad progressing upwards up until the culmination of a Glorious day at wembley followed by finishing 5th in the prem
Not taking anything away from the magnificent achievements of the past 4 years, but McKenna inherited a great squad for League 1 and had the biggest budget in the division to add to it, not sure he has had to contend with losing our best players up until last summer when we let a few go | | | |
| Ranking Managers on 13:30 - Jun 11 with 651 views | positivity |
| Ranking Managers on 13:13 - Jun 11 by pingu67 |
Burley achieved much more than McKenna when you factor in that Burley inherited a completely ageing squad bereft of any real quality when he took over in December 1994
Year on year Burley had to contend with losing star players yet kept the squad progressing upwards up until the culmination of a Glorious day at wembley followed by finishing 5th in the prem
Not taking anything away from the magnificent achievements of the past 4 years, but McKenna inherited a great squad for League 1 and had the biggest budget in the division to add to it, not sure he has had to contend with losing our best players up until last summer when we let a few go |
swings and roundabouts
burley obviously had higher highs, with less money, but a stratospherically better youth system to help him.
in totality, burley took over the worst side in the prem and left it as a side in lower-mid championship(equivalent) on the verge of administration
mckenna took a mid-table league one side and turned it into a prem team when the gulf to the prem is much higher
after 4.5 years, burley had brought us 1 relegation and some playoff semi finals, mckenna had brought us 1 relegation and 3 promotions
almost pointless to rank them given the utterly different eras, but i'd probably put them equal, below sirs a&b | |
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| Ranking Managers on 13:35 - Jun 11 with 625 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Ranking Managers on 13:30 - Jun 11 by positivity |
swings and roundabouts
burley obviously had higher highs, with less money, but a stratospherically better youth system to help him.
in totality, burley took over the worst side in the prem and left it as a side in lower-mid championship(equivalent) on the verge of administration
mckenna took a mid-table league one side and turned it into a prem team when the gulf to the prem is much higher
after 4.5 years, burley had brought us 1 relegation and some playoff semi finals, mckenna had brought us 1 relegation and 3 promotions
almost pointless to rank them given the utterly different eras, but i'd probably put them equal, below sirs a&b |
I dont think you can put administration at Burleys door.
I think you probably have to also factor in the illness of his great friend and assistant manager. | |
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| Ranking Managers on 13:40 - Jun 11 with 588 views | Radlett_blue |
| Ranking Managers on 13:35 - Jun 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I dont think you can put administration at Burleys door.
I think you probably have to also factor in the illness of his great friend and assistant manager. |
Burley's abysmal summer of transfers in 2001 has to weigh him down, although the 2000-01 season was off the scale enjoyable. |  |
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| Ranking Managers on 13:43 - Jun 11 with 569 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Ranking Managers on 13:40 - Jun 11 by Radlett_blue |
Burley's abysmal summer of transfers in 2001 has to weigh him down, although the 2000-01 season was off the scale enjoyable. |
Not sure he could do much about losing Wright and Scowcroft, which left big holes on the team. By the same token you then have to credit his amazing transfers outside of that window, and his ability to bring on youth players. | |
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| Ranking Managers on 13:55 - Jun 11 with 515 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Ranking Managers on 12:53 - Jun 11 by AlpineBlue |
1. Robson
2. Ramsay
3. Burley
4. Mckenna
5. Lyall
I think McKenna has been brilliant, but Burley's first season in the the Prem, and the games against Inter and Helsingborgs are my most amazing memories, so he just pips McKenna for me. However, football is different now, and McKenna's achievements were probably harder to achieve. Had he kept us up this season, I think McKenna would go ahead of Burley. |
This is absolutely spot on.
McKenna was closing on Burley fast, but it needed a couple more successfully seasons before he equalled or overtook him. Burley said it himself recently on Life's a Pitch - McKenna has done brilliantly, but hasn't yet finished 5th in the PL. | | | |
| Ranking Managers on 14:04 - Jun 11 with 481 views | positivity |
| Ranking Managers on 13:35 - Jun 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I dont think you can put administration at Burleys door.
I think you probably have to also factor in the illness of his great friend and assistant manager. |
absolutely, add in sheepy and itv digital too. just comparing the state of the clubs pre- and post gband km | |
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| Ranking Managers on 14:07 - Jun 11 with 456 views | positivity |
| Ranking Managers on 13:55 - Jun 11 by SuffolkPunchFC |
This is absolutely spot on.
McKenna was closing on Burley fast, but it needed a couple more successfully seasons before he equalled or overtook him. Burley said it himself recently on Life's a Pitch - McKenna has done brilliantly, but hasn't yet finished 5th in the PL. |
burley hadn't achieved 5th in the prem after 4.5 years either!
guess we'll never know how it'd have turned out if he'd stayed on, just happy that i was lucky enough to be around for them both (and a bit of bobby!) | |
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| Ranking Managers on 14:13 - Jun 11 with 431 views | Radlett_blue |
| Ranking Managers on 13:43 - Jun 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Not sure he could do much about losing Wright and Scowcroft, which left big holes on the team. By the same token you then have to credit his amazing transfers outside of that window, and his ability to bring on youth players. |
Wright wouldn't sign a new contract & when he did, the club didn't mention that it had a clause that he could leave if Arsenal came calling. But yes, Burley couldn't do much about that. However, he replaced him with the hopeless Marshall & when GB realised how bad he was, we went looking for Poom & ended up paying up for Sereni.
Scowie was in & out of the team & I don't blame GB for selling him & I doubt he would have made a huge difference the next season.
It's the ins that were shockers. I've already mentioned Marshall, but Pablo, Gaardsoe & Tommy Miller were never good enough for the Premier League, while Finidi didn't track back & disrupted our system (as well as having to go to the Cup of Africa Nations). GB also wanted Hassan Kachloul, but his subsequent career would indicate he wouldn't have helped much either. | |
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| Ranking Managers on 14:20 - Jun 11 with 400 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Ranking Managers on 14:13 - Jun 11 by Radlett_blue |
Wright wouldn't sign a new contract & when he did, the club didn't mention that it had a clause that he could leave if Arsenal came calling. But yes, Burley couldn't do much about that. However, he replaced him with the hopeless Marshall & when GB realised how bad he was, we went looking for Poom & ended up paying up for Sereni.
Scowie was in & out of the team & I don't blame GB for selling him & I doubt he would have made a huge difference the next season.
It's the ins that were shockers. I've already mentioned Marshall, but Pablo, Gaardsoe & Tommy Miller were never good enough for the Premier League, while Finidi didn't track back & disrupted our system (as well as having to go to the Cup of Africa Nations). GB also wanted Hassan Kachloul, but his subsequent career would indicate he wouldn't have helped much either. |
Marshall was highly rated, had been England U21. Norwich's player of the season when we signed him.
I think Pablo (free transfer) and Gaardsoe were seen as ones for the future.
He also had to deal with losing Stewie, who was of course a fantastic signing of his. | |
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| Ranking Managers on 16:02 - Jun 11 with 286 views | patrickswell |
My rankings are:
The Achievers
1. Alf Ramsey
2. Bobby Robson
3. George Burley
4. Kieran McKenna
5. Bill McGarry
6. John Lyall
7. Scott Duncan
The Nearly Men
8. Joe Royle
9. Bobby Ferguson
10. Mick McGiven
11. Mick McCarthy
12. John Duncan
13. Jim Magilton
The Flops
14. Paul Jewell
15. Roy Keane
16. Jackie Milburn
17. Paul Lambert
18. Paul Cook
19. Paul Hurst [Post edited 11 Jun 16:05]
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| Ranking Managers on 16:11 - Jun 11 with 256 views | itfcjoe |
Joint 1st - Sir Alf and Sir Bobby
Joint 3rd - Burley and McK
Plenty of arguments of why Sir Alf better than Sir Bob and vice versa, no arguments that anyone else can be at their level
Plenty of arguments of why Burley better than McKenna and vice versa, no arguments that they compete with Sir Alf or Sir Bobby, no arguments anyone else in their league
Just personal preference between who you prefer out of Alf or Bobby, and Burley and McKenna [Post edited 11 Jun 16:11]
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| Ranking Managers on 16:47 - Jun 11 with 159 views | GeoffSentence |
| Ranking Managers on 16:02 - Jun 11 by patrickswell |
My rankings are:
The Achievers
1. Alf Ramsey
2. Bobby Robson
3. George Burley
4. Kieran McKenna
5. Bill McGarry
6. John Lyall
7. Scott Duncan
The Nearly Men
8. Joe Royle
9. Bobby Ferguson
10. Mick McGiven
11. Mick McCarthy
12. John Duncan
13. Jim Magilton
The Flops
14. Paul Jewell
15. Roy Keane
16. Jackie Milburn
17. Paul Lambert
18. Paul Cook
19. Paul Hurst [Post edited 11 Jun 16:05]
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The flops are ludicrously Paul heavy |  |
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| Ranking Managers on 17:24 - Jun 11 with 99 views | TheBlueGnu |
I misread the title of your post, and for a horrific moment was bracing myself to view photos of persons in charge of team selection and tactics in the EFL and Premier League self-pleasuring themselves. OK, I would have had a choice of whether to view them or not, but being of curious persuasion I'm pretty sure I would have had a very quick look. | |
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