| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? 13:11 - Jun 18 with 2034 views | bluebud |
If we presume that KM told MA he was leaving on Wed 27th May - as MA has told press (don't believe it) then why did...
...it take 2 whole weeks to announce it? Why?
Also why if we are now 22 days from the 27th May (when KM supposedly like no other manager ever on promotion to the Premier league just seemingly walked out) doesn't MA have another manager for us? The reason I ask this and am being pretty severe about it is that MA....for years, has reassured us all we have lists galore for every position and no matter what we are all protected. What a load of c@@p.
I don't find any truth whatsoever in the scenario that's been created for us |  | | |  |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:17 - Jun 18 with 1445 views | Bellevue_Blue |
There are absolutely no quotes out there that 'KM told MA he was leaving on Wed 27th May' ... for all we know he might have informed MA last Tuesday of his decision? Which might then answer your second stupid question, which is that list might have been very long, and it might take a little longer to get to a decision.
Be negative by all means but making up pointless lies is a little bit pathetic. |  | | |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:29 - Jun 18 with 1388 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:17 - Jun 18 by Bellevue_Blue |
There are absolutely no quotes out there that 'KM told MA he was leaving on Wed 27th May' ... for all we know he might have informed MA last Tuesday of his decision? Which might then answer your second stupid question, which is that list might have been very long, and it might take a little longer to get to a decision.
Be negative by all means but making up pointless lies is a little bit pathetic. |
From 12th June:
Ashton appeared on talkSPORT this afternoon to explain events of the last few days in more depth.
"It's been a challenging few weeks," he told Jim White and Simon Jordan.
"Kieran came and spoke to me not long after the end of the season and said, 'Look, we've had the best part of five incredible years together, three promotions, I feel like I might need a break'. The conversations started from there. |  |
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| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:30 - Jun 18 with 1394 views | bsw72 |
KM resigning is bringing a whole new level of crazy out on this board.
Can you point me to where you get the presumption of 27th May - voices in your head will not be accepted as evidence.
As for 22 days and why no manager (which is 100% based on your presumption) there is a huge amount of work to get completed between having a list of targets and having your target confirmed and contracts signed.
This isn't hiring someone to do a simple functional role, this is the most critical hire this club will have to make since Burley left.
I actually think this is more critical than when we hired McKenna, as the expectations and scope of the Manager (Head Coach?) role is far bigger than at any time in our history. |  | | |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:33 - Jun 18 with 1366 views | hype313 |
I don't know the timescales on events, the most frustrating thing for me is that by going up automatically you generally have a headstart on the PO winners, the Loss of McKenna is a hit on so many levels. |  |
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| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:34 - Jun 18 with 1350 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:30 - Jun 18 by bsw72 |
KM resigning is bringing a whole new level of crazy out on this board.
Can you point me to where you get the presumption of 27th May - voices in your head will not be accepted as evidence.
As for 22 days and why no manager (which is 100% based on your presumption) there is a huge amount of work to get completed between having a list of targets and having your target confirmed and contracts signed.
This isn't hiring someone to do a simple functional role, this is the most critical hire this club will have to make since Burley left.
I actually think this is more critical than when we hired McKenna, as the expectations and scope of the Manager (Head Coach?) role is far bigger than at any time in our history. |
This does suggest MA knew before last week.
From 12th June:
Ashton appeared on talkSPORT this afternoon to explain events of the last few days in more depth.
"It's been a challenging few weeks," he told Jim White and Simon Jordan.
"Kieran came and spoke to me not long after the end of the season and said, 'Look, we've had the best part of five incredible years together, three promotions, I feel like I might need a break'. The conversations started from there. | |
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| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:39 - Jun 18 with 1291 views | bluebud |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:30 - Jun 18 by bsw72 |
KM resigning is bringing a whole new level of crazy out on this board.
Can you point me to where you get the presumption of 27th May - voices in your head will not be accepted as evidence.
As for 22 days and why no manager (which is 100% based on your presumption) there is a huge amount of work to get completed between having a list of targets and having your target confirmed and contracts signed.
This isn't hiring someone to do a simple functional role, this is the most critical hire this club will have to make since Burley left.
I actually think this is more critical than when we hired McKenna, as the expectations and scope of the Manager (Head Coach?) role is far bigger than at any time in our history. |
MA told Talksport in person that KM told him a few days after the end of the season.
I agree this is one of the most critical times in our history as we have the chance to really move forward and progress.
That's why it is so important to keep a close eye on proceedings and what MA is up to.
Rather than you inferring I'm crazy I suggest you brush up on the facts and do the same. | | | |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:42 - Jun 18 with 1276 views | bluebud |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:17 - Jun 18 by Bellevue_Blue |
There are absolutely no quotes out there that 'KM told MA he was leaving on Wed 27th May' ... for all we know he might have informed MA last Tuesday of his decision? Which might then answer your second stupid question, which is that list might have been very long, and it might take a little longer to get to a decision.
Be negative by all means but making up pointless lies is a little bit pathetic. |
You don't need quotes....all you have to do is listen to the MA interview and keep up with things. Rather than focusing on my "crazy questions" maybe keep up with reality. | | | |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:47 - Jun 18 with 1251 views | GeoffSentence |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:30 - Jun 18 by bsw72 |
KM resigning is bringing a whole new level of crazy out on this board.
Can you point me to where you get the presumption of 27th May - voices in your head will not be accepted as evidence.
As for 22 days and why no manager (which is 100% based on your presumption) there is a huge amount of work to get completed between having a list of targets and having your target confirmed and contracts signed.
This isn't hiring someone to do a simple functional role, this is the most critical hire this club will have to make since Burley left.
I actually think this is more critical than when we hired McKenna, as the expectations and scope of the Manager (Head Coach?) role is far bigger than at any time in our history. |
This was reported on here on the 10th June
It includes this quote
"Town have known about McKenna’s decision for a couple of weeks and Ashton will have begun work on finding the man to replace him"
So 27th May seems reasonable.
I'd guess the reason for the delay in announcing it is that they had to sort out the finer details, particularly around compensation if KMcK took another job, and people were on holiday. |  |
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| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:47 - Jun 18 with 1256 views | bsw72 |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:34 - Jun 18 by Marshalls_Mullet |
This does suggest MA knew before last week.
From 12th June:
Ashton appeared on talkSPORT this afternoon to explain events of the last few days in more depth.
"It's been a challenging few weeks," he told Jim White and Simon Jordan.
"Kieran came and spoke to me not long after the end of the season and said, 'Look, we've had the best part of five incredible years together, three promotions, I feel like I might need a break'. The conversations started from there. |
It'a acknowledged he knew he was considering his options from shortly after the last game - it's the putting a specific date on it I criticised, and then basing the "lack" of progress from that same arbitrary date.
Also, in reference to your quotes, discussing the feeling he needs a break is very different to confirming he was leaving - I would imagine that there was a lot of to and fro before he was 100% set on the break, which would have included making sure KM financially protected himself as the financial impact of walking away from your contract is significantly different to being sacked, possibly a week or two, considering it was only announced on the 10th June.
This period of discussion would have put MA in a difficult position - he can't reach out to agents or directly to othe managers ahead of KM confirming he was going, as if that had leaked out it would have caused all kinds of issues. So while MA may have known for a couple of days before KM announced it, he was limited as to doing anything beyond firming up the list of candidates.
I would suggest that the timeline for MA to start approaching possible candidates only really started from around June 6th-8th, which means we are less than 2 weeks into the process of interviews, and any subsequent contract negotiation. Any further back from June 6th is unlikely, as I doubt it would have been kept quiet, something would have got out - would suggest that KM told the players he truly trusted on the 9th and others on the 10th itself. | | | |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:48 - Jun 18 with 1247 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:29 - Jun 18 by Marshalls_Mullet |
From 12th June:
Ashton appeared on talkSPORT this afternoon to explain events of the last few days in more depth.
"It's been a challenging few weeks," he told Jim White and Simon Jordan.
"Kieran came and spoke to me not long after the end of the season and said, 'Look, we've had the best part of five incredible years together, three promotions, I feel like I might need a break'. The conversations started from there. |
He said 'I might need a break' ...
To which the response was obviously 'take the time to think about it'
Not 'Please take this as my official resignation' ...
You can preemptively build and fine tune your shortlist during that time but you certainly can't be interviewing other managers whilst your greatest manager in the last 20 years is taking the time to rightfully make his decision.
If we presume like most, he's had a week of conducting interviews, I don't think it is at all unreasonable that we are yet to make a hire. | | | |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:56 - Jun 18 with 1186 views | bluebud |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:48 - Jun 18 by Bellevue_Blue |
He said 'I might need a break' ...
To which the response was obviously 'take the time to think about it'
Not 'Please take this as my official resignation' ...
You can preemptively build and fine tune your shortlist during that time but you certainly can't be interviewing other managers whilst your greatest manager in the last 20 years is taking the time to rightfully make his decision.
If we presume like most, he's had a week of conducting interviews, I don't think it is at all unreasonable that we are yet to make a hire. |
Cool, you totally believe now a little bit of the newly discovered (to you) MA interview and making up the rest. There was no days or weeks of persuasion or soul searching - KM knew he was going before the end of the season. Every utterance out the club since the end of the season has been cope...much like your last paragraph.
You call me crazy...you would and it's because you're naive. | | | |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:57 - Jun 18 with 1185 views | bsw72 |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:39 - Jun 18 by bluebud |
MA told Talksport in person that KM told him a few days after the end of the season.
I agree this is one of the most critical times in our history as we have the chance to really move forward and progress.
That's why it is so important to keep a close eye on proceedings and what MA is up to.
Rather than you inferring I'm crazy I suggest you brush up on the facts and do the same. |
See my reply below - he told MA he wanted a break and then they discussed - he did not resign then.
And to play the quote game, Ashton said: "if you genuinely feel like that then go away and think about it...' He did, we stayed in dialogue consistently, and it just became apparent that he was genuinely ready to step back for a period and take a break."
So he went away, thought about it, discussed and made a decision - I doubt this would have happened in hours, much more likely days, including a lot of discussions with lawyers and accountants to protect both sides before signing any contract termination documents. | | | |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:06 - Jun 18 with 1129 views | bsw72 |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:47 - Jun 18 by GeoffSentence |
This was reported on here on the 10th June
It includes this quote
"Town have known about McKenna’s decision for a couple of weeks and Ashton will have begun work on finding the man to replace him"
So 27th May seems reasonable.
I'd guess the reason for the delay in announcing it is that they had to sort out the finer details, particularly around compensation if KMcK took another job, and people were on holiday. |
So as per my posts down the page - there is little which MA can do around approaching other managers before KMs papework is all signed, else it would have legal and financial implications with the club acting before KM and the club had agreed anything.
The finer details take a lot of work across lawyers and accountants, after discussions around whether he was actually going.
It's not been 22 days for MA to be actively recruiting a manager is my point, closer to 10. | | | |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:07 - Jun 18 with 1128 views | bluebud |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:57 - Jun 18 by bsw72 |
See my reply below - he told MA he wanted a break and then they discussed - he did not resign then.
And to play the quote game, Ashton said: "if you genuinely feel like that then go away and think about it...' He did, we stayed in dialogue consistently, and it just became apparent that he was genuinely ready to step back for a period and take a break."
So he went away, thought about it, discussed and made a decision - I doubt this would have happened in hours, much more likely days, including a lot of discussions with lawyers and accountants to protect both sides before signing any contract termination documents. |
Sure thing, glad you're now up to date after Marshalls Mullet filled you in. It's only a "quote game" to posters who are happy to spam disinformation on the board. Most posters just keep up with the news.
Did you also believe MA so forensically when he treated all the fans like mugs, including you, during Faragegate as well? | | | |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:08 - Jun 18 with 1120 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:47 - Jun 18 by bsw72 |
It'a acknowledged he knew he was considering his options from shortly after the last game - it's the putting a specific date on it I criticised, and then basing the "lack" of progress from that same arbitrary date.
Also, in reference to your quotes, discussing the feeling he needs a break is very different to confirming he was leaving - I would imagine that there was a lot of to and fro before he was 100% set on the break, which would have included making sure KM financially protected himself as the financial impact of walking away from your contract is significantly different to being sacked, possibly a week or two, considering it was only announced on the 10th June.
This period of discussion would have put MA in a difficult position - he can't reach out to agents or directly to othe managers ahead of KM confirming he was going, as if that had leaked out it would have caused all kinds of issues. So while MA may have known for a couple of days before KM announced it, he was limited as to doing anything beyond firming up the list of candidates.
I would suggest that the timeline for MA to start approaching possible candidates only really started from around June 6th-8th, which means we are less than 2 weeks into the process of interviews, and any subsequent contract negotiation. Any further back from June 6th is unlikely, as I doubt it would have been kept quiet, something would have got out - would suggest that KM told the players he truly trusted on the 9th and others on the 10th itself. |
Hmmm, I think you're being a little disingenuous there. | |
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| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:11 - Jun 18 with 1074 views | bluebud |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:06 - Jun 18 by bsw72 |
So as per my posts down the page - there is little which MA can do around approaching other managers before KMs papework is all signed, else it would have legal and financial implications with the club acting before KM and the club had agreed anything.
The finer details take a lot of work across lawyers and accountants, after discussions around whether he was actually going.
It's not been 22 days for MA to be actively recruiting a manager is my point, closer to 10. |
Nearly all managers linked are out of work
You can hire a manager in a day if you are minded too.
It has been at least 22 days with the information supplied to you after not being aware of his interview...imagine commenting like you have and being so abusive and you didn't even know the basics. Do better as it tough times for people. | | | |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:12 - Jun 18 with 1069 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:56 - Jun 18 by bluebud |
Cool, you totally believe now a little bit of the newly discovered (to you) MA interview and making up the rest. There was no days or weeks of persuasion or soul searching - KM knew he was going before the end of the season. Every utterance out the club since the end of the season has been cope...much like your last paragraph.
You call me crazy...you would and it's because you're naive. |
I'd seen the interview and it gave me no reason to believe there was some kind of conspiracy behind it all.
When I put together my opinions I try to deal in facts as opposed to jumping to any big conclusions that might make my point land. | | | |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:15 - Jun 18 with 1056 views | bluebud |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:12 - Jun 18 by Bellevue_Blue |
I'd seen the interview and it gave me no reason to believe there was some kind of conspiracy behind it all.
When I put together my opinions I try to deal in facts as opposed to jumping to any big conclusions that might make my point land. |
...sure you do.
At least you didn't call me pathetic and stupid this time. Thank you. | | | |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:16 - Jun 18 with 1056 views | bsw72 |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:08 - Jun 18 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Hmmm, I think you're being a little disingenuous there. |
Disingenous? How, am curious that you think I know more but am sharing less, or am somehow being insincere.
I'm sorry that my view goes against others but am just responding with my view based on the facts known and with my understanding of people and contract situations that I have been engaged with in the corporate space (admittedly not football). | | | |
| As soon as MA heard 'I might need a break....' on 14:17 - Jun 18 with 1032 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 13:48 - Jun 18 by Bellevue_Blue |
He said 'I might need a break' ...
To which the response was obviously 'take the time to think about it'
Not 'Please take this as my official resignation' ...
You can preemptively build and fine tune your shortlist during that time but you certainly can't be interviewing other managers whilst your greatest manager in the last 20 years is taking the time to rightfully make his decision.
If we presume like most, he's had a week of conducting interviews, I don't think it is at all unreasonable that we are yet to make a hire. |
He should be assessing his options, and getting those feelers out.
Having KM linked with Fulham was the perfect cover to have discussions with agents / managers. | |
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| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:19 - Jun 18 with 1020 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:16 - Jun 18 by bsw72 |
Disingenous? How, am curious that you think I know more but am sharing less, or am somehow being insincere.
I'm sorry that my view goes against others but am just responding with my view based on the facts known and with my understanding of people and contract situations that I have been engaged with in the corporate space (admittedly not football). |
Happy to agree to differ.
I think you are back peddling, and as such, being disingenuous in your previous post.
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| As soon as MA heard 'I might need a break....' on 14:23 - Jun 18 with 976 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| As soon as MA heard 'I might need a break....' on 14:17 - Jun 18 by Marshalls_Mullet |
He should be assessing his options, and getting those feelers out.
Having KM linked with Fulham was the perfect cover to have discussions with agents / managers. |
Of course he was doing that ... that is very different to actually hiring someone!
We have no idea how big the list is, who he is talking to, what the interview process entails.
This idea that he's just been sat on his heels since KM came and said I might take a break is beyond ridiculous. [Post edited 18 Jun 14:24]
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| As soon as MA heard 'I might need a break....' on 14:24 - Jun 18 with 964 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| As soon as MA heard 'I might need a break....' on 14:23 - Jun 18 by Bellevue_Blue |
Of course he was doing that ... that is very different to actually hiring someone!
We have no idea how big the list is, who he is talking to, what the interview process entails.
This idea that he's just been sat on his heels since KM came and said I might take a break is beyond ridiculous. [Post edited 18 Jun 14:24]
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I just provided the evidence you asked for. | |
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| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:28 - Jun 18 with 931 views | bsw72 |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:19 - Jun 18 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Happy to agree to differ.
I think you are back peddling, and as such, being disingenuous in your previous post.
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OK, if it reads as a back peddle was not my intention. Just outlined how I have seen the timelines based upon public info and it is not 22 days, closer to 10. | | | |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:32 - Jun 18 with 907 views | bsw72 |
| Match day - 65. How's MA getting on with pre season? on 14:11 - Jun 18 by bluebud |
Nearly all managers linked are out of work
You can hire a manager in a day if you are minded too.
It has been at least 22 days with the information supplied to you after not being aware of his interview...imagine commenting like you have and being so abusive and you didn't even know the basics. Do better as it tough times for people. |
OK, if it makes you feel better you can obviously hire managers in a day and I needed educating on the recent history of the club.
Sorry if this thread has upset you, please take care of yourself as recent events at PR seem to have upset you and I will refrain from being "abusive" in future. | | | |
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