| A question for the older chaps amongst us. 08:41 - Jun 20 with 2632 views | StevieH |
How did you feel when Bobby Robson was appointed as Ipswich manager having been sacked by Fulham after only 8 months in charge ?
I’m ok with the appointment of GON. Young, hungry, point to prove, has prem experience. Ashton and the board seem very thorough. Exciting times. Uppa Towen |  | | |  |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 09:18 - Jun 20 with 2294 views | BloomBlue |
Very, very unpopular.
Probably 80-90% of fans didn't want him - and thats why the noise got louder and fans more vocal in those first few seasons when the team wasn't progressing.
As you say after being sacked by Fulham, fans in those days, worked on the basis if you're sacked from a job you're not good enough.
I've said it on another chat, in my time supporting Town, Sir Bob was the most unpopular mgr appointment of any manager.
Ironically a lot of it was related to the fact since Sir Alf had left it had been downhill.
But remember the Cobbold's always said just because an individual fails in one situation it doesn't mean they always fail. They felt Sir Bob had something about him and thankfully they ignored the fans, and by ignoring the moaning fans, the rest is history. |  | | |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 09:22 - Jun 20 with 2271 views | FlittonBlue |
Its always amazed me the airbrushing done over Sir Bobby (and tbh, thankfully as the man was a legend). Whether its Town fans (thank god for pre-social media days), or the England fans who called for his head (and press who went after him and his personal life relentlessly and way above what would be considered fair), or the Newcastle fans who hounded him out of their club
I think we just saw the toll that managing a club with a demanding (and these days increasingly abusive) fanbase can take on a man - whenever I think of SBR I always go back to that picture of him with his head in his hands [Post edited 20 Jun 9:39]
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| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 09:28 - Jun 20 with 2240 views | Churchman |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 09:18 - Jun 20 by BloomBlue |
Very, very unpopular.
Probably 80-90% of fans didn't want him - and thats why the noise got louder and fans more vocal in those first few seasons when the team wasn't progressing.
As you say after being sacked by Fulham, fans in those days, worked on the basis if you're sacked from a job you're not good enough.
I've said it on another chat, in my time supporting Town, Sir Bob was the most unpopular mgr appointment of any manager.
Ironically a lot of it was related to the fact since Sir Alf had left it had been downhill.
But remember the Cobbold's always said just because an individual fails in one situation it doesn't mean they always fail. They felt Sir Bob had something about him and thankfully they ignored the fans, and by ignoring the moaning fans, the rest is history. |
I was too young to remember how people felt about his appointment, though I do remember my dad being vocal about it and glum looks from his father. Underwhelmed covers it.
The Cobbolds were clearly phenomenal judges of people. There legendary social habits should never blind anyone as to just how astute they were. |  | | |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 09:33 - Jun 20 with 2225 views | Wickets |
Didn't seem as though anyone wanted him , of course before social media it was very different but most fans thought his appointment would be a disaster. Think I can see the point you are making with this and yes whoever gets the job we must give him our full support and I'm sure most will . |  | | |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 09:45 - Jun 20 with 2156 views | ClassicBlueTractor |
Good point. Having just been promoted to Division One and celebrating on the pitch to Cliff Richard singing “Congratulations “ suddenly we were without a manager Bill McGarry having left to join Wolves. I remember thinking who is Bobby Robson and many older fans having serious reservations as he had been sacked at Fulham. He certainly wasn’t universally accepted, far from it. In the early days there were calls for his head but it all came good and the rest is history.
That said on a personal note I have to admit being underwhelmed and disappointed at our choice this time but history does prove initial reactions are not always correct. He may go on to be another Robson albeit I very much doubt it, he may be sound or indeed a disaster. That said he is our new manager and as such for the immediate future I will support him and wish him well. COYB |  | | |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 09:47 - Jun 20 with 2132 views | Vic |
I don't remember his appointment, but vividly remember the sick he got in 1977/78 when we flirted with relegation. There was no social media obviously but there was a LOT of very concerned and critical fans who thought SBR had taken us as far as he could. |  |
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| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 09:50 - Jun 20 with 2121 views | DJR |
I was only 9 at the time but my abiding memory of the period was of anger at Bill McGarry for going off to what he described as a bigger club in Wolves.
Maybe it was the naivety of youth, but I welcomed Robson with open arms and don't recall hostility to him at all in the early years.
And at such a young age, it was the thrill of going to games in the top division which trumped everything.
Indeed, on a Sunday friends and I would meet at each other's houses to re-enact the joy of celebrating goals from the previous day's game whilst watching the highlights on Anglia TV. [Post edited 20 Jun 9:56]
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| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 09:55 - Jun 20 with 2066 views | Ryorry |
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| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 10:03 - Jun 20 with 2006 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 09:55 - Jun 20 by Ryorry |
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| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 10:27 - Jun 20 with 1934 views | oldburian |
Well like the majority of fans totally unimpressed and joined in the chants of Robson out against Man U.
And like the majority of fans proven wrong.
Hopefully will be this time as well. | | | |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 12:15 - Jun 20 with 1815 views | Meadowlark |
I was too young i think to have any thoughts about it. It just happened. I'd only been a regular at Portman Road since the season before, so everything was new. A new manager didn't seem much to me. I don't think I joined in the "Robson out" stuff, but again I was probably too young (13) to have any serious thoughts about the situation. I remember liking his first signings very much. Robertson and Clarke made a lot of difference and from then on he couldn't do anything wrong in my books. But as for the very early days I don't really remember. |  | | |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 13:28 - Jun 20 with 1742 views | michaeldownunder |
I can remember it well it was " is that the best we can do, he was sacked by Fulham"
"Another ex England player who thinks he is Alf Ramsey."
Turns out he did not do a bad job for us.
Also let's remember we are one of the favorites to go down 17th or above would be taken as a outstanding result for next season. Let's give who ever is the new manager a chance and our full backing. [Post edited 20 Jun 13:35]
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| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 13:45 - Jun 20 with 1667 views | pablovien |
I enjoyed watching McGarry's Ipswich teams, was devastated when he left, and feared the worst. However, over the next season or two we managed, very inelegantly, to avoid relegation (can you say Derek Jefferson, Bobby Bell and Jeff Hammond...?) after which the team steadily improved.
I am pleased with the pending appointment of GON. I think that he has appropriate experience to keep us up, perhaps inelegantly, for a season or two; and that if that happens, the team will steadily improve ...
A defining moment in Bobby Robson's early days at Ipswich was the punch-up he had with McGarry's Captain Fantastic, (5' 10" center half BIll Baxter) and full back Tommy Carroll. Hopefully nothing similar will happen with O'Shea and Greaves ...  ... [Post edited 20 Jun 13:47]
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| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 13:45 - Jun 20 with 1666 views | monty_radio |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 09:50 - Jun 20 by DJR |
I was only 9 at the time but my abiding memory of the period was of anger at Bill McGarry for going off to what he described as a bigger club in Wolves.
Maybe it was the naivety of youth, but I welcomed Robson with open arms and don't recall hostility to him at all in the early years.
And at such a young age, it was the thrill of going to games in the top division which trumped everything.
Indeed, on a Sunday friends and I would meet at each other's houses to re-enact the joy of celebrating goals from the previous day's game whilst watching the highlights on Anglia TV. [Post edited 20 Jun 9:56]
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So, might it take the famous alleged dressing-room punch-up for him to knock the team into shape? | |
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| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 15:21 - Jun 20 with 1483 views | Bluespeed225 |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 09:22 - Jun 20 by FlittonBlue |
Its always amazed me the airbrushing done over Sir Bobby (and tbh, thankfully as the man was a legend). Whether its Town fans (thank god for pre-social media days), or the England fans who called for his head (and press who went after him and his personal life relentlessly and way above what would be considered fair), or the Newcastle fans who hounded him out of their club
I think we just saw the toll that managing a club with a demanding (and these days increasingly abusive) fanbase can take on a man - whenever I think of SBR I always go back to that picture of him with his head in his hands [Post edited 20 Jun 9:39]
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He's actually listening to a Walkman in that shot! | | | |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 15:25 - Jun 20 with 1467 views | monty_radio |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 13:45 - Jun 20 by pablovien |
I enjoyed watching McGarry's Ipswich teams, was devastated when he left, and feared the worst. However, over the next season or two we managed, very inelegantly, to avoid relegation (can you say Derek Jefferson, Bobby Bell and Jeff Hammond...?) after which the team steadily improved.
I am pleased with the pending appointment of GON. I think that he has appropriate experience to keep us up, perhaps inelegantly, for a season or two; and that if that happens, the team will steadily improve ...
A defining moment in Bobby Robson's early days at Ipswich was the punch-up he had with McGarry's Captain Fantastic, (5' 10" center half BIll Baxter) and full back Tommy Carroll. Hopefully nothing similar will happen with O'Shea and Greaves ... ... [Post edited 20 Jun 13:47]
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There’s an allusion to that fight outside the SBR isn’t there. From my memory I think you may have added a couple of inches to Billy B’s stature which, if I’m right, makes his aerial dominance even more impressive. As to Bobby’s arrival his 20 England caps for us young nerds made him a prospect rather than an unknown. The older folk I knew simply trusted the Cobbolds to get it right . | |
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| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 15:32 - Jun 20 with 1425 views | TheBoyBlue |
It's so difficult to know in hindsight who will actually work and who won't. For me it is important that managers are given time to build what they are looking to build and whoever comes in needs that. | |
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| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 16:24 - Jun 20 with 1351 views | pablovien |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 15:25 - Jun 20 by monty_radio |
There’s an allusion to that fight outside the SBR isn’t there. From my memory I think you may have added a couple of inches to Billy B’s stature which, if I’m right, makes his aerial dominance even more impressive. As to Bobby’s arrival his 20 England caps for us young nerds made him a prospect rather than an unknown. The older folk I knew simply trusted the Cobbolds to get it right . |
Yes, you are quite right. Remarkably, Bill Baxter was an aerially dominating 5' 8" center half.
I remember a home game against Spurs where Martin Chivers, in his prime, bullied Baxter for the first ten minutes and scored a goal. I thought Chivers would score a hat trick, but Baxter elevated his game, flew around, and kept Chivers under control the rest of the way ... | | | |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 16:36 - Jun 20 with 1310 views | oldburian |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 16:24 - Jun 20 by pablovien |
Yes, you are quite right. Remarkably, Bill Baxter was an aerially dominating 5' 8" center half.
I remember a home game against Spurs where Martin Chivers, in his prime, bullied Baxter for the first ten minutes and scored a goal. I thought Chivers would score a hat trick, but Baxter elevated his game, flew around, and kept Chivers under control the rest of the way ... |
The only centre forward to consistently beat him was Wyn Davies.
Baxter later managed Hull and commented about the difficulty of managing players! | | | |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 17:55 - Jun 20 with 1206 views | flykickingbybgunn |
When Bobby took over we were a struggling small club that had had recent success and suffered a bloated opinion of where we should be.
After a while of struggling the crowd were getting restless. "Robson out" was being sung. To Mr John's (Cobbold) endless credit he called the manager in for a chat. During which he appologised for the actions of the supporters. From then on Bobby knew that his back was covered.
We all know you can't turn a club around in a season. This has endlessly been a feature of Town's management structure. Give the bloke a chance.
Town were and still are, a small town club punching increadably above its weight.
But we keep our managers and give them a chance. A sacking is a rarity. Infact I can only think of Hirst. We have donated more managers to England than that.
It is a feature of successful clubs that they have few changes. Since 1936 we have had now 20 managers including O'Neal. One every 4.5 years or so. In that time many other clubs have had nearly 40. The only clubs who have had fewer are the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool.
Give him time to show what he can do. [Post edited 20 Jun 17:56]
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| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 19:11 - Jun 20 with 1145 views | pablovien |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 15:25 - Jun 20 by monty_radio |
There’s an allusion to that fight outside the SBR isn’t there. From my memory I think you may have added a couple of inches to Billy B’s stature which, if I’m right, makes his aerial dominance even more impressive. As to Bobby’s arrival his 20 England caps for us young nerds made him a prospect rather than an unknown. The older folk I knew simply trusted the Cobbolds to get it right . |
Background details of the situation that led to the punch-up between Baxter and Robson were provided in an obituary of Baxter:
https://www.independent.co.uk/ | | | |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 21:06 - Jun 20 with 1045 views | pablovien |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 19:11 - Jun 20 by pablovien |
Background details of the situation that led to the punch-up between Baxter and Robson were provided in an obituary of Baxter:
https://www.independent.co.uk/ |
Additional details are available here - if you can see past some strange and very irritating formatting symbols:
https://thehardtackle.com/2014 | | | |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 21:29 - Jun 20 with 1003 views | Vic |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 17:55 - Jun 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
When Bobby took over we were a struggling small club that had had recent success and suffered a bloated opinion of where we should be.
After a while of struggling the crowd were getting restless. "Robson out" was being sung. To Mr John's (Cobbold) endless credit he called the manager in for a chat. During which he appologised for the actions of the supporters. From then on Bobby knew that his back was covered.
We all know you can't turn a club around in a season. This has endlessly been a feature of Town's management structure. Give the bloke a chance.
Town were and still are, a small town club punching increadably above its weight.
But we keep our managers and give them a chance. A sacking is a rarity. Infact I can only think of Hirst. We have donated more managers to England than that.
It is a feature of successful clubs that they have few changes. Since 1936 we have had now 20 managers including O'Neal. One every 4.5 years or so. In that time many other clubs have had nearly 40. The only clubs who have had fewer are the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool.
Give him time to show what he can do. [Post edited 20 Jun 17:56]
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Words of a wise old sage.Thank you. | |
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| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 13:51 - Jun 21 with 779 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 17:55 - Jun 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
When Bobby took over we were a struggling small club that had had recent success and suffered a bloated opinion of where we should be.
After a while of struggling the crowd were getting restless. "Robson out" was being sung. To Mr John's (Cobbold) endless credit he called the manager in for a chat. During which he appologised for the actions of the supporters. From then on Bobby knew that his back was covered.
We all know you can't turn a club around in a season. This has endlessly been a feature of Town's management structure. Give the bloke a chance.
Town were and still are, a small town club punching increadably above its weight.
But we keep our managers and give them a chance. A sacking is a rarity. Infact I can only think of Hirst. We have donated more managers to England than that.
It is a feature of successful clubs that they have few changes. Since 1936 we have had now 20 managers including O'Neal. One every 4.5 years or so. In that time many other clubs have had nearly 40. The only clubs who have had fewer are the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool.
Give him time to show what he can do. [Post edited 20 Jun 17:56]
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To put that further into context the two clubs either side of us in the list are.
Hull 41 managers since 1936
Leeds 39 managers since 1936.
And I appologise, I made a mistake. We have not had 20 managers in that time.
It is 19 including GON. | | | |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 15:40 - Jun 21 with 710 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| A question for the older chaps amongst us. on 17:55 - Jun 20 by flykickingbybgunn |
When Bobby took over we were a struggling small club that had had recent success and suffered a bloated opinion of where we should be.
After a while of struggling the crowd were getting restless. "Robson out" was being sung. To Mr John's (Cobbold) endless credit he called the manager in for a chat. During which he appologised for the actions of the supporters. From then on Bobby knew that his back was covered.
We all know you can't turn a club around in a season. This has endlessly been a feature of Town's management structure. Give the bloke a chance.
Town were and still are, a small town club punching increadably above its weight.
But we keep our managers and give them a chance. A sacking is a rarity. Infact I can only think of Hirst. We have donated more managers to England than that.
It is a feature of successful clubs that they have few changes. Since 1936 we have had now 20 managers including O'Neal. One every 4.5 years or so. In that time many other clubs have had nearly 40. The only clubs who have had fewer are the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool.
Give him time to show what he can do. [Post edited 20 Jun 17:56]
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But also to put context onto Mr John. In December 1963 he thought it would be a great idea to invite all the players and their families to Glemham Hall for a slap up Christmas Day meal. He was a brewer remember. Booze flowed with the apparent approval of the then manager Jackie Milburn.
Trouble was that the next match was at 11am away at Fulham on Boxing Day.
The result is still the worst that town have ever had 10-1. How they got the 1 goodness only knows.
They dont make Chairmen like that any more.
Perhaps it is just as well for travelling fans. | | | |
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