| “Maguire handball was correct decision” 12:02 - Sep 9 with 1838 views | Chris_ITFC |
Official verdict. Time to move on, but what a SHOCK.
“Maguire's arms are within his bodyline meaning that the contact with his right arm was accidental and not a punishable handball offence given that Maguire was not the goal scorer. The shot was clearly off target and then deflected in via the defender for a clear own goal. The panel supported the referee's call to award the goal, 4:1, with one panellist considering the handball to be deliberate.”
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| “Maguire handball was correct decision” on 14:13 - Sep 9 with 185 views | Chris_ITFC |
| “Maguire handball was correct decision” on 12:19 - Sep 9 by soupytwist |
So if you move your arms directly forwards to touch the ball with your hand, as long as the arms are not outside the boundaries of your body, it's permissible?
The open palm action as demonstrated here by Black Lace would be fine then?
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10/10 for the point. 11/10 for the use of graphic. | |
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| “Maguire handball was correct decision” on 14:36 - Sep 9 with 130 views | VanSaParody |
It's irrelevant whether Maguire's shot was off target, then hit a defender & went in for an own goal
4 out of 5 on this panel are WRONG that the handball was ACCIDENTAL just because his hands were within the shape of his body
He instinctively (or not) moved his hands towards the ball, perhaps to stop it hitting him in the face, as it was bouncing upwards
If he doesn't use his hands, & tries to control the ball with either his tummy, chest or even his face, the ball would likely have continued it's upward trajectory, so he may not have had time to get it under enough control to get a shot away
Just because I'm an Ipswich fan & this decision went against Ipswich, is NOT why the above is the opinion I've formed.
It's because it's right
& I'd say this even if this type of decision went for us v them up the road!
THAT law needs to be changed NOW |  | | |
| “Maguire handball was correct decision” on 14:37 - Sep 9 with 130 views | SamWhiteUK |
I think the issue with this ruling is the use of the word "accidental" and therefore the implication of there being a "deliberate" option.
How many handballs are actually deliberate? Maradona vs England, Suarez vs Ghana, DJ vs Cardiff...
But if a defender launches themselves in the way of a shot and a penalty is given because it strikes his hand away from his body - even if he's jumped in with his feet - it doesn't mean he's deliberately handballed it. It would be given correctly as a penalty but it's still accidental.
I think the wording should be changed to "avoidable" vs "unavoidable" rather than accidental vs deliberate. Maguires was definitely avoidable and therefore the goal shouldn't have stood. |  | | |
| “Maguire handball was correct decision” on 14:40 - Sep 9 with 116 views | Chris_ITFC |
| “Maguire handball was correct decision” on 14:37 - Sep 9 by SamWhiteUK |
I think the issue with this ruling is the use of the word "accidental" and therefore the implication of there being a "deliberate" option.
How many handballs are actually deliberate? Maradona vs England, Suarez vs Ghana, DJ vs Cardiff...
But if a defender launches themselves in the way of a shot and a penalty is given because it strikes his hand away from his body - even if he's jumped in with his feet - it doesn't mean he's deliberately handballed it. It would be given correctly as a penalty but it's still accidental.
I think the wording should be changed to "avoidable" vs "unavoidable" rather than accidental vs deliberate. Maguires was definitely avoidable and therefore the goal shouldn't have stood. |
Very true. So many ‘accidental’ handballs are given, clearly, so why is that used as a reason not to give this? | |
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| “Maguire handball was correct decision” on 14:47 - Sep 9 with 105 views | surreyblue |
| “Maguire handball was correct decision” on 14:37 - Sep 9 by SamWhiteUK |
I think the issue with this ruling is the use of the word "accidental" and therefore the implication of there being a "deliberate" option.
How many handballs are actually deliberate? Maradona vs England, Suarez vs Ghana, DJ vs Cardiff...
But if a defender launches themselves in the way of a shot and a penalty is given because it strikes his hand away from his body - even if he's jumped in with his feet - it doesn't mean he's deliberately handballed it. It would be given correctly as a penalty but it's still accidental.
I think the wording should be changed to "avoidable" vs "unavoidable" rather than accidental vs deliberate. Maguires was definitely avoidable and therefore the goal shouldn't have stood. |
The wording of the accidental handball law has a lot of heavy lifting done by "natural position" and "in the silhouette of the body". The first one makes sense, but not sure about the second one.
I like your avoidable vs unavoidable terminology. |  | | |
| “Maguire handball was correct decision” on 15:01 - Sep 9 with 74 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| “Maguire handball was correct decision” on 13:15 - Sep 9 by surreyblue |
The more I look at this, the more I think the problem sits with the accidental handball rule.
The existence of an accidental handball rule is important as it prevents ridiculous decisions where the ball is blasted at a players hand from a yard away in a position next to their body and a penalty is awarded.
I can also understand the "accidental handball directly scoring a goal" rule to a certain extent - if you are not going to penalise accidental handballs, there need to be an exception when one leads directly to a goal. There is a legitimate question as to whether that goes enough phased of play back.
However, the accidental handball rule reads too broad for me, as it allows a situation where the player moves their hands towards the ball in a manner that could be deemed natural, as long as it is within their silhouette. It feels like "accidental" and "deliberate" don't cover all options - there is also an "instinctive" event where the movement of your hands may be natural and not making yourself any bigger, but it results in contact between hand and ball. For me that should be an offence, but the current rules seemingly don't.
It wouldn't surprise me if that definition of accidental is tightened up at some point in the future. Sods law is that we will lose out because of that change shortly after it is made.
(While I'm at it, I also think the offside rule that means the offside is nullified if a defender makes contact after taking a deliberate action is stupid. Often the contact is made because the player is in an offside position in the first place. We have a perfectly good assessment of a deliberate pass with the backpass rule - why not apply the same hurdle with the offside rule?) |
Think it sits with a few different, well intentioned rules, which make sense in isolation but become farcical when combined
Accidental handball - logical in some instances as you state, but now overly defined and confusing
Not direct to a goal - sensible exception as you say, and also makes sense in VAR terms as no one wants goals pulled back because there was a borderline handball 40 seconds before at the other end of the pitch (well no one wants VAR at all, but still…)
VAR clear and obvious - again something we all want if having to accept VAR being a thing, but falls over here as whilst the handball is obvious an obvious error hasn’t been made with the above rules
End result being a confusing mess where somehow the ‘right’ decision has been reached, despite every neutral football fan in the world watching thinking it is handball and should be disallowed
Also completely agree it would have been a different outcome at the other end!! |  |
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| “Maguire handball was correct decision” on 15:04 - Sep 9 with 66 views | ITFCson |
1 of the 5 panel did not agree with the decision. Would have been interested had ref blown for a foul in play, as it would then not have been clear and obvious. | | | |
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| “Maguire handball was correct decision” on 15:15 - Sep 9 with 27 views | Deano69 |
| “Maguire handball was correct decision” on 12:19 - Sep 9 by soupytwist |
So if you move your arms directly forwards to touch the ball with your hand, as long as the arms are not outside the boundaries of your body, it's permissible?
The open palm action as demonstrated here by Black Lace would be fine then?
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Unless you are Neco Williams scoring against Tottenham, then it is handball and disallowed... |  |
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| “Maguire handball was correct decision” on 15:35 - Sep 9 with 1 views | itfc_bucks |
Christ, I was happier when I just thought it was a mistake! | |
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