| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) 19:30 - Oct 11 with 1910 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Surely a time comes when our Government and those around the World just need to publicly turn their collective backs on him and point out that he's making stuff up as he goes along and is a clear and present danger to us all. |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:18 - Oct 12 with 362 views | giant_stow |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:29 - Oct 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Loltastic! |
In fairness to Billy, the first comment was stupid, but the second far more debatable. Trump has at least some constraints on his power, within politics and via public opinion. Putin, less so. |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:18 - Oct 12 with 360 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:12 - Oct 12 by You_Bloo_Right |
Spend?
Seems to me that for Trump, as with so many others, the acquisition of wealth is an end in itself. |
Think it is fair to say every member of his cabinet will come out of this significantly richer than when appointed. No chance of them ending Trumps presidency just yet. Think they will do it towards the end to give Vance a head start, give him a chance of being number 48. |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:42 - Oct 12 with 328 views | Guthrum |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:09 - Oct 12 by IPS_wich |
I agree, but the big if in there is whether Burnham can convince the electorate to renew closer ties with Europe. Doing so will almost certainly galvanise Farage and his supporters - at a time when he's doing a good job of undermining his party.
Right now the 'special relationship' feels more like an abusive marriage and the sooner the UK looks to new alliances the better.
As for Trump post 2028 - I don't for one minute think he'll be in the background pulling the strings - I suspect he will be overtly out front with his hand firmly shoved up the ar$e of whichever puppet has been elected into the presidency. |
Not sure it will take that much persuading. The 2016 vote was pretty close when it was still an untested principle (with promises of 'sunlit uplands'). Nothing that's happened since has been particularly convincing it was an unqualified success. Especially if arrangements to help prevent small boat crossings were included within the deal.
Burnham doesn't even need to go for full rejoining the EU, just has to make the sensible deal which should have been negotiated a decade ago.
I think it more likely that Trump will be making long rambling speeches along the lines of "It was better during my time in office, I would have solved all these problems in one day, etc., etc.". Hopefully only to the other residents of a home for those with dementia, but more likely on phone-in radio stations, "Truth" Social and rightwing TV stations (but probably not Fox). Trump is not a manipulator, he is an egotist. He wants always to be the centre of attention, not running someone else who might get the applause. |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:51 - Oct 12 with 311 views | Guthrum |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:18 - Oct 12 by giant_stow |
In fairness to Billy, the first comment was stupid, but the second far more debatable. Trump has at least some constraints on his power, within politics and via public opinion. Putin, less so. |
The problem being that Trump has packed the organisations which are supposed to be a constraint upon Presidential power with his personal supporters. Most notably the Supreme Court, but also Congress, where moderate Republicans have frequently been pushed out in favour of MAGA loyalists. The civil service and military have been trashed both by the leaders appointed over them and by Musk's Doge escapade.
In any case, Trump tries to ignore any restraints on his power, often citing old, obscure and otherwise-purposed legislation as a way to get around the rules. | |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:55 - Oct 12 with 304 views | giant_stow |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:51 - Oct 12 by Guthrum |
The problem being that Trump has packed the organisations which are supposed to be a constraint upon Presidential power with his personal supporters. Most notably the Supreme Court, but also Congress, where moderate Republicans have frequently been pushed out in favour of MAGA loyalists. The civil service and military have been trashed both by the leaders appointed over them and by Musk's Doge escapade.
In any case, Trump tries to ignore any restraints on his power, often citing old, obscure and otherwise-purposed legislation as a way to get around the rules. |
Totally get what you're saying and its all true to a point, but to take one example: the Supreme Court, even they have their limits - didn't they rule against his tariffs? I realise he found another way around that, using the obscure tactics you mention, but it does show there are some limits. | |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 09:29 - Oct 12 with 256 views | Guthrum |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:55 - Oct 12 by giant_stow |
Totally get what you're saying and its all true to a point, but to take one example: the Supreme Court, even they have their limits - didn't they rule against his tariffs? I realise he found another way around that, using the obscure tactics you mention, but it does show there are some limits. |
Most of the SC rulings against Trump have been on technicalities, not matters of principle. They have not been blocking what he is trying to do, just the specific pieces of legislation he's been using. Telling him to go back and try again, in effect. | |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 09:36 - Oct 12 with 250 views | IPS_wich |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:42 - Oct 12 by Guthrum |
Not sure it will take that much persuading. The 2016 vote was pretty close when it was still an untested principle (with promises of 'sunlit uplands'). Nothing that's happened since has been particularly convincing it was an unqualified success. Especially if arrangements to help prevent small boat crossings were included within the deal.
Burnham doesn't even need to go for full rejoining the EU, just has to make the sensible deal which should have been negotiated a decade ago.
I think it more likely that Trump will be making long rambling speeches along the lines of "It was better during my time in office, I would have solved all these problems in one day, etc., etc.". Hopefully only to the other residents of a home for those with dementia, but more likely on phone-in radio stations, "Truth" Social and rightwing TV stations (but probably not Fox). Trump is not a manipulator, he is an egotist. He wants always to be the centre of attention, not running someone else who might get the applause. |
I'm the other side of the world - how have Burnham's 'testing the water' comments about stronger ties with Europe gone down? |  | | |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 10:11 - Oct 12 with 215 views | NthQldITFC |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 07:51 - Oct 12 by Guthrum |
The demise of US influence will, I think, actually increase that of the UK. We still have a good-sized economy (including plenty of technology), a lot of allies (enhanced further should we renew closer ties with Europe) and some standing on the world stage (UN Security Council, past status, even linguistic reach). We would no longer be overshadowed in a frankly unequal partnership where our views were often, at best, an inconvenience to Washington.
The US military umbrella in the post-WW2 era was the chief benefit of the alliance. That is now at risk of arbitrary withdrawal and at the whim of a mercurial President. Even after Trump goes, what guarantee is there they don't elect another similar character in the future? In reality, for various reasons (including Irish ancestry), even Democrat leaders have not always been fond of the UK.
On a side note, I doubt Trump will be pulling any strings once he is no longer President. He has no ideology beyond getting media attention, vindictiveness towards those who deny him and a degree of personal enrichment. He would never want to be a background influencer. Front-man or outside troublemaker. Certainly wouldn't want to risk helping another to be regarded as more successful than himself. |
Most of the rest of the world has spent 6 of the last 10 years trying not to offend Trump and trying not to look embarrassed while they are doing it. And he's getting worse still. I think everybody sort of hopes that they can dither and fanny around until he goes away. Maybe Nov will see the start of that, but that's just another bit of kicking the can down the road attitude, I think.
I assume there have been serious discussions between European nations and others about more and deeper alternative arrangements which sideline the US, at least for a while, in as quiet and inoffensive a way as possible. Leaving Trump the ego-space to ignore and pretend its not going on as much as possible.
There's no guarantee that the next US president won't continue along similar crazy lines, and while I think that there's a strong chance that the whole world order is going to collapse calamitously under the various severe stresses humanity has allowed to develop, it's at least worth a shot for nations with relatively sane and steady governments to try to pull something together. For us that means getting past the failed, self-destructive, right wing propaganda merchants and re-establishing much closer ties with our European friends and neighbours. It's a matter of self-preservation if nothing else. |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 10:36 - Oct 12 with 200 views | bluefunk |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 10:11 - Oct 12 by NthQldITFC |
Most of the rest of the world has spent 6 of the last 10 years trying not to offend Trump and trying not to look embarrassed while they are doing it. And he's getting worse still. I think everybody sort of hopes that they can dither and fanny around until he goes away. Maybe Nov will see the start of that, but that's just another bit of kicking the can down the road attitude, I think.
I assume there have been serious discussions between European nations and others about more and deeper alternative arrangements which sideline the US, at least for a while, in as quiet and inoffensive a way as possible. Leaving Trump the ego-space to ignore and pretend its not going on as much as possible.
There's no guarantee that the next US president won't continue along similar crazy lines, and while I think that there's a strong chance that the whole world order is going to collapse calamitously under the various severe stresses humanity has allowed to develop, it's at least worth a shot for nations with relatively sane and steady governments to try to pull something together. For us that means getting past the failed, self-destructive, right wing propaganda merchants and re-establishing much closer ties with our European friends and neighbours. It's a matter of self-preservation if nothing else. |
Sounds good but the EU isn’t the one we left. Hard(er) right wing parties are gaining traction in among others, Germany and France, Italy has a right wing government, and to add to the changes, the powerhouse of the EU we left, Germany, is faltering badly post Merkal. Not sure I’d want to accept full membership again, better to develop a solid trade and security deal. |  | | |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 10:45 - Oct 12 with 180 views | mutters |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:33 - Oct 11 by NthQldITFC |
It seems crazy to say this, but I actually think you are literally wrong on this particular point. This current president of the USA literally changes his 'policy' on a whim, he lies barefacedly and says one thing one day, and the direct opposite the next. No-one in the whole world, from his closest advisors, to you and I can trust him on anything.
He may not be clinically insane, but if part of your criteria for assessing that involves (for someone with that sort of power) consideration for the safety of all, or large parts, of the human race, then he's certainly close to that definition. The fact that he has more power than Putin or Khamenei actually makes him less trustworthy. |
It's a crazy thing to say but you what is even crazier is that you are probably right
The man is an absolute lunatic, he has built a cult around him and changes his mind on a whim. Its amazing how none of his supporters will admit that Biden won the election for fear of whatever. These are the people that get appointed to high positions....only a few years to go, that's the only shining light I see... Jan 2029.... |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 11:36 - Oct 12 with 141 views | Guthrum |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 09:36 - Oct 12 by IPS_wich |
I'm the other side of the world - how have Burnham's 'testing the water' comments about stronger ties with Europe gone down? |
Difficult to say. Which is promising in itself - there has been no violent reaction. Helps that nothing concrete has been outlined yet, merely thoughts and editorials about closer ties. | |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 11:52 - Oct 12 with 130 views | NthQldITFC |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 10:36 - Oct 12 by bluefunk |
Sounds good but the EU isn’t the one we left. Hard(er) right wing parties are gaining traction in among others, Germany and France, Italy has a right wing government, and to add to the changes, the powerhouse of the EU we left, Germany, is faltering badly post Merkal. Not sure I’d want to accept full membership again, better to develop a solid trade and security deal. |
I agree, but it's really the only chance we have. By 'we' I mean the whole world really, and the chance to step away from the half-witted, suicidal trajectory that the disinformation-based Trump-followers around the world have embarked upon. We have to try to pull together what's left of a pre-Trump, relatively responsible political base, and make it into something better, now that we've seen the alternative. | |
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