| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) 19:30 - Oct 11 with 2140 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Surely a time comes when our Government and those around the World just need to publicly turn their collective backs on him and point out that he's making stuff up as he goes along and is a clear and present danger to us all. |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 19:43 - Oct 11 with 1646 views | Guthrum |
What good does that do? It won't make him or his hangers-on change their behaviour. It would simply rile him up and get him to do more stupid (or vindictive) things.
Better to just behave like that is the case, make plans without him and try to protect ourselves as much as possible until he's gone. Which is already happening. The USA has lost a vast amount of influence, prestige and trade opportunities due to Trump and his lunacy. It will take them a long time to repair the damage, if ever. |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:02 - Oct 11 with 1579 views | BelsteadCav |
So it isn’t Iran or Russia then?
America is a danger to the Uk
Do us all a favour and give us a day off of your utter nonsense |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:06 - Oct 11 with 1557 views | NthQldITFC |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:02 - Oct 11 by BelsteadCav |
So it isn’t Iran or Russia then?
America is a danger to the Uk
Do us all a favour and give us a day off of your utter nonsense |
I don't think that the suggestion is that the US is a direct danger to the UK (at least probably not) but the ongoing destabilisation of the world by that orange lunatic is a danger to literally everybody on the planet. If you can't see that I really don't know what to suggest. |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:08 - Oct 11 with 1542 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:02 - Oct 11 by BelsteadCav |
So it isn’t Iran or Russia then?
America is a danger to the Uk
Do us all a favour and give us a day off of your utter nonsense |
I'll type this slowly as I realise you aren't the sharpest but did you miss the bit where he attacked Iran, cosied up to Putin and blamed Zelensky for diesel costing more for his ex voters? | |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:09 - Oct 11 with 1537 views | Guthrum |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:02 - Oct 11 by BelsteadCav |
So it isn’t Iran or Russia then?
America is a danger to the Uk
Do us all a favour and give us a day off of your utter nonsense |
Russia (which is allied to Iran) is apparently an ally of the USA now. All in the same bag.
A man who throws trade sanctions around like confetti is quite a significant danger to the UK, yes. | |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:09 - Oct 11 with 1524 views | BelsteadCav |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:06 - Oct 11 by NthQldITFC |
I don't think that the suggestion is that the US is a direct danger to the UK (at least probably not) but the ongoing destabilisation of the world by that orange lunatic is a danger to literally everybody on the planet. If you can't see that I really don't know what to suggest. |
I’d still trust Trump over Putin or what ever mad dictator was in charge of Iran this week | |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:18 - Oct 11 with 1480 views | Guthrum |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:09 - Oct 11 by BelsteadCav |
I’d still trust Trump over Putin or what ever mad dictator was in charge of Iran this week |
I wouldn't. Putin is predictable. Trump is just riffing on whatever topic he thinks will keep him in the media this week, or revenge against the last people who said no to him.
Putin may not be working on a Western set of logical principles, but they are nonetheless rational. He's a Russian nationalist, his aims and actions line up with that. He can be predictably dealt with on that basis. | |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:19 - Oct 11 with 1465 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:02 - Oct 11 by BelsteadCav |
So it isn’t Iran or Russia then?
America is a danger to the Uk
Do us all a favour and give us a day off of your utter nonsense |
Who do you think is going to be supporting and directly funding Russia’s war with Trump & Putin’s diesel import deal that will ease pressure on supplies in the US and possible ease pressure on the prices we pay the US for our imports? Certainly US citizens and possibly us too, that’s who.
We’ve historically had a very close alliance the American, still do. But it’s increasingly strained by things like this. Getting dragged into Trumps wish to fund Russia and not Ukraine isn’t good at all. [Post edited 11 Oct 20:24]
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:22 - Oct 11 with 1446 views | Bent_double |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:08 - Oct 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I'll type this slowly as I realise you aren't the sharpest but did you miss the bit where he attacked Iran, cosied up to Putin and blamed Zelensky for diesel costing more for his ex voters? |
Had to logout to see what that poster said. Seems you just can't get through to some people - bit like Trump really. |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:25 - Oct 11 with 1434 views | nodge_blue |
Do you notice how he fawns over people like Xi and they never pay him a compliment back.
I guess we are afraid that he will do the stuff like put our tariffs up and pull out of nato and all that jazz. So we play this game with him. |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:29 - Oct 11 with 1404 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:09 - Oct 11 by BelsteadCav |
I’d still trust Trump over Putin or what ever mad dictator was in charge of Iran this week |
Loltastic! | |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:33 - Oct 11 with 1393 views | NthQldITFC |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:09 - Oct 11 by BelsteadCav |
I’d still trust Trump over Putin or what ever mad dictator was in charge of Iran this week |
It seems crazy to say this, but I actually think you are literally wrong on this particular point. This current president of the USA literally changes his 'policy' on a whim, he lies barefacedly and says one thing one day, and the direct opposite the next. No-one in the whole world, from his closest advisors, to you and I can trust him on anything.
He may not be clinically insane, but if part of your criteria for assessing that involves (for someone with that sort of power) consideration for the safety of all, or large parts, of the human race, then he's certainly close to that definition. The fact that he has more power than Putin or Khamenei actually makes him less trustworthy. | |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:39 - Oct 11 with 1363 views | iamatractorboy |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:09 - Oct 11 by BelsteadCav |
I’d still trust Trump over Putin or what ever mad dictator was in charge of Iran this week |
The lowest of low bars. |  | | |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:45 - Oct 11 with 1327 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:33 - Oct 11 by NthQldITFC |
It seems crazy to say this, but I actually think you are literally wrong on this particular point. This current president of the USA literally changes his 'policy' on a whim, he lies barefacedly and says one thing one day, and the direct opposite the next. No-one in the whole world, from his closest advisors, to you and I can trust him on anything.
He may not be clinically insane, but if part of your criteria for assessing that involves (for someone with that sort of power) consideration for the safety of all, or large parts, of the human race, then he's certainly close to that definition. The fact that he has more power than Putin or Khamenei actually makes him less trustworthy. |
Better the devil you know innit. Trump is utterly unpredictable and immoral. Guthers put it well when he said at least Putin was logical. Horrible, but predictably horrible. You can prepare approaches to deal with that. | |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 21:32 - Oct 11 with 1160 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:18 - Oct 11 by Guthrum |
I wouldn't. Putin is predictable. Trump is just riffing on whatever topic he thinks will keep him in the media this week, or revenge against the last people who said no to him.
Putin may not be working on a Western set of logical principles, but they are nonetheless rational. He's a Russian nationalist, his aims and actions line up with that. He can be predictably dealt with on that basis. |
Three weeks ago Trump signed a law, passed by both houses, blocking the purchase of Russian oil.
On September 18, 2026, President Trump signed the Lindsey O. Graham Sanctioning Russia and Iran Act of 2026 (the Act) into law following passage by both chambers of Congress.
He then has a telephone call with Putin and makes a U turn. Presumably Congress will do something now. |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 21:59 - Oct 11 with 1091 views | ReusersTown |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:09 - Oct 11 by BelsteadCav |
I’d still trust Trump over Putin or what ever mad dictator was in charge of Iran this week |
That would be a very dangerous thing to do, also not sure you can separate them at this point, every big action Trump has made has benefitted Russia since his return. So yes he is is the more prevalent danger as he's empowering then. [Post edited 11 Oct 21:59]
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 22:06 - Oct 11 with 1050 views | bsw72 |
Because it would not change his behaviour and would be more dangerous to have him riled up and causing more damage directly to the uk than he is currently indirectly. It’s an awful position we find ourselves in as a nation but we sim0ly cannot afford to go down the route of trump as an enemy. |  | | |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 02:14 - Oct 12 with 868 views | IPS_wich |
I refer back to Mark Carney's speech in Jan and actions since about the world's 'middle powers' needing to come together to support each other and establish a stronger alliance. Here in Australia, it's clearly something we're watching with interest, especially Canada's recent move to align with the EU (the big issue for Australia is our major industries are hugely in bed with China).
The issue for the UK is that it is still clinging on to the notion that it is one of the world's 'super powers'; despite that status having been largely dependent on being the junior partner in the alliance with the US. Brexit was an act of complete hubris based on our assumption that the UK still had significant global influence, but Trump's two terms have demonstrated that the UK's relationship with the US (and therefore standing in the world) is built on quicksand.
Who the UK chooses to align with over the next 5 years will be a huge decision - and it's clear Burnham sides with the EU over the US - it will probably come to define his time in power whether he can persuade enough voters to join him.
What will be really interesting though is that the next US presidential election will take place before the next UK general election - so what position Farage takes in terms of his relationship with the US will be messy; because likely it will either be: (a) a Democrat President; (b) a Republican President with Trump still pulling the strings; or (c) all out civil war. None of those scenarios will really benefit Farage. | | | |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 04:36 - Oct 12 with 807 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:09 - Oct 11 by BelsteadCav |
I’d still trust Trump over Putin or what ever mad dictator was in charge of Iran this week |
I’d still trust Trump over Putin
It's not a choice between the two.
or what ever mad dictator was in charge of Iran this week
Nailing your ignorance to the mast is neither impressive nor strengthening your point. |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 07:51 - Oct 12 with 631 views | Guthrum |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 02:14 - Oct 12 by IPS_wich |
I refer back to Mark Carney's speech in Jan and actions since about the world's 'middle powers' needing to come together to support each other and establish a stronger alliance. Here in Australia, it's clearly something we're watching with interest, especially Canada's recent move to align with the EU (the big issue for Australia is our major industries are hugely in bed with China).
The issue for the UK is that it is still clinging on to the notion that it is one of the world's 'super powers'; despite that status having been largely dependent on being the junior partner in the alliance with the US. Brexit was an act of complete hubris based on our assumption that the UK still had significant global influence, but Trump's two terms have demonstrated that the UK's relationship with the US (and therefore standing in the world) is built on quicksand.
Who the UK chooses to align with over the next 5 years will be a huge decision - and it's clear Burnham sides with the EU over the US - it will probably come to define his time in power whether he can persuade enough voters to join him.
What will be really interesting though is that the next US presidential election will take place before the next UK general election - so what position Farage takes in terms of his relationship with the US will be messy; because likely it will either be: (a) a Democrat President; (b) a Republican President with Trump still pulling the strings; or (c) all out civil war. None of those scenarios will really benefit Farage. |
The demise of US influence will, I think, actually increase that of the UK. We still have a good-sized economy (including plenty of technology), a lot of allies (enhanced further should we renew closer ties with Europe) and some standing on the world stage (UN Security Council, past status, even linguistic reach). We would no longer be overshadowed in a frankly unequal partnership where our views were often, at best, an inconvenience to Washington.
The US military umbrella in the post-WW2 era was the chief benefit of the alliance. That is now at risk of arbitrary withdrawal and at the whim of a mercurial President. Even after Trump goes, what guarantee is there they don't elect another similar character in the future? In reality, for various reasons (including Irish ancestry), even Democrat leaders have not always been fond of the UK.
On a side note, I doubt Trump will be pulling any strings once he is no longer President. He has no ideology beyond getting media attention, vindictiveness towards those who deny him and a degree of personal enrichment. He would never want to be a background influencer. Front-man or outside troublemaker. Certainly wouldn't want to risk helping another to be regarded as more successful than himself. | |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:00 - Oct 12 with 594 views | Guthrum |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 21:32 - Oct 11 by Pinewoodblue |
Three weeks ago Trump signed a law, passed by both houses, blocking the purchase of Russian oil.
On September 18, 2026, President Trump signed the Lindsey O. Graham Sanctioning Russia and Iran Act of 2026 (the Act) into law following passage by both chambers of Congress.
He then has a telephone call with Putin and makes a U turn. Presumably Congress will do something now. |
I don't think it was a telephone call with Putin which changed his direction, so much as some advisor coming up with a wizard wheeze to quieten the screaming coming from Republican states over the price of diesel in the run-up to the Mid-Terms. Tho Putin was, of course, more than happy to go along with the idea.
Congress will squeal about it (has already started), but Trump will, as always, try to ignore them when inconvenient. There's usually some ancient and obsolete piece of legislation dragged up to justify the Executive acting without Congressional approval, which then has to be legally challenged up to the heavily loaded (but not always unquestioningly Trump-backing) Supreme Court. Which takes time. | |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:00 - Oct 12 with 595 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 07:51 - Oct 12 by Guthrum |
The demise of US influence will, I think, actually increase that of the UK. We still have a good-sized economy (including plenty of technology), a lot of allies (enhanced further should we renew closer ties with Europe) and some standing on the world stage (UN Security Council, past status, even linguistic reach). We would no longer be overshadowed in a frankly unequal partnership where our views were often, at best, an inconvenience to Washington.
The US military umbrella in the post-WW2 era was the chief benefit of the alliance. That is now at risk of arbitrary withdrawal and at the whim of a mercurial President. Even after Trump goes, what guarantee is there they don't elect another similar character in the future? In reality, for various reasons (including Irish ancestry), even Democrat leaders have not always been fond of the UK.
On a side note, I doubt Trump will be pulling any strings once he is no longer President. He has no ideology beyond getting media attention, vindictiveness towards those who deny him and a degree of personal enrichment. He would never want to be a background influencer. Front-man or outside troublemaker. Certainly wouldn't want to risk helping another to be regarded as more successful than himself. |
Added to which he'll be too busy spending the money he's made from his market moving tweets. | |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:09 - Oct 12 with 573 views | IPS_wich |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 07:51 - Oct 12 by Guthrum |
The demise of US influence will, I think, actually increase that of the UK. We still have a good-sized economy (including plenty of technology), a lot of allies (enhanced further should we renew closer ties with Europe) and some standing on the world stage (UN Security Council, past status, even linguistic reach). We would no longer be overshadowed in a frankly unequal partnership where our views were often, at best, an inconvenience to Washington.
The US military umbrella in the post-WW2 era was the chief benefit of the alliance. That is now at risk of arbitrary withdrawal and at the whim of a mercurial President. Even after Trump goes, what guarantee is there they don't elect another similar character in the future? In reality, for various reasons (including Irish ancestry), even Democrat leaders have not always been fond of the UK.
On a side note, I doubt Trump will be pulling any strings once he is no longer President. He has no ideology beyond getting media attention, vindictiveness towards those who deny him and a degree of personal enrichment. He would never want to be a background influencer. Front-man or outside troublemaker. Certainly wouldn't want to risk helping another to be regarded as more successful than himself. |
I agree, but the big if in there is whether Burnham can convince the electorate to renew closer ties with Europe. Doing so will almost certainly galvanise Farage and his supporters - at a time when he's doing a good job of undermining his party.
Right now the 'special relationship' feels more like an abusive marriage and the sooner the UK looks to new alliances the better.
As for Trump post 2028 - I don't for one minute think he'll be in the background pulling the strings - I suspect he will be overtly out front with his hand firmly shoved up the ar$e of whichever puppet has been elected into the presidency. | | | |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:12 - Oct 12 with 561 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:00 - Oct 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Added to which he'll be too busy spending the money he's made from his market moving tweets. |
Spend?
Seems to me that for Trump, as with so many others, the acquisition of wealth is an end in itself. |  |
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| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 08:15 - Oct 12 with 546 views | NedPlimpton |
| Trump (yeah, sorry to go there but....) on 20:08 - Oct 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I'll type this slowly as I realise you aren't the sharpest but did you miss the bit where he attacked Iran, cosied up to Putin and blamed Zelensky for diesel costing more for his ex voters? |
Not to mention his position on the Falklands being "under review" |  | | |
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