| Orwell Bridge closed… 10:02 - Oct 16 with 1053 views | ITFC_Forever |
Town blocked up, no alternative route, NIMBYs north of Ipswich etc
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| Orwell Bridge closed… on 11:10 - Oct 16 with 921 views | baxterbasics |
It's actually an unholy alliance of conservative NIMBY's and the Greens who think a decent road north of Ipswich will destroy the environment that have kept our infrastructure in the Victorian era. My journey to work from Kesgrave to Bury St Edmunds today was fun indeed. They should all get in the bin. |  |
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| Orwell Bridge closed… on 11:12 - Oct 16 with 904 views | lurcher |
There is no money to build a northern bypass, it would cost north of a billion. |  | | |
| Orwell Bridge closed… on 11:55 - Oct 16 with 793 views | longtimefan |
| Orwell Bridge closed… on 11:12 - Oct 16 by lurcher |
There is no money to build a northern bypass, it would cost north of a billion. |
The other point is where would it join the current infrastructure. Most proposals assume somewhere near the Martlesham Park and Ride, but anyone in that vicinity on Tuesday afternoon knows how snarled up that area can become. All it took was a broken down vehicle on the A12 southbound between the the BT and Foxhall roundabouts blocking a single carriageway to create a gridlock lasting 2 hours. Took me 45 minutes to travel less than a mile, and that's with just current traffic flows. Goodness knows what it would be like with flows diverted from a blocked A14. Add in the current plans for traffic light control at all the roundabouts between the Park and Ride and Seven Hills, and the increase in traffic from the nearby new housing developments and it really ceases to be a realistic option. |  | | |
| Orwell Bridge closed… on 12:19 - Oct 16 with 708 views | baxterbasics |
| Orwell Bridge closed… on 11:55 - Oct 16 by longtimefan |
The other point is where would it join the current infrastructure. Most proposals assume somewhere near the Martlesham Park and Ride, but anyone in that vicinity on Tuesday afternoon knows how snarled up that area can become. All it took was a broken down vehicle on the A12 southbound between the the BT and Foxhall roundabouts blocking a single carriageway to create a gridlock lasting 2 hours. Took me 45 minutes to travel less than a mile, and that's with just current traffic flows. Goodness knows what it would be like with flows diverted from a blocked A14. Add in the current plans for traffic light control at all the roundabouts between the Park and Ride and Seven Hills, and the increase in traffic from the nearby new housing developments and it really ceases to be a realistic option. |
The whole A12 Woodbridge > Seven Hills section needs a look at already. The Brightwell Lakes estate is going to add a bunch more pain once it's fully occupied.
I can't believe they are making lights and a refurb of Seven Hills a priority, there's plenty more needed improvements even within just a three mile radius.
Personal context: I live on Main Road Kesgrave, close to the Police HQ end. So I use these roads daily, including for my commute to BSE, the other choice being go through Ipswich which is considerably fewer miles, but only rational if leaving no later than 7am. Today with the bridge closed I went north-west through the countryside. With so many others doing the same, along narrow country lanes, it still took me 1hr 45 mins to go 35ish miles.
A northern bypass wouldn't just help with bridge closures, it would long term reduce the daily use of the current route by commuters like myself heading into west Suffolk. | |
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| Orwell Bridge closed… on 12:24 - Oct 16 with 677 views | Mullet |
As an outsider in baffled people don’t want better transport links in Suffolk but especially Ipswich. |  |
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| Orwell Bridge closed… on 12:48 - Oct 16 with 554 views | baxterbasics |
| Orwell Bridge closed… on 12:24 - Oct 16 by Mullet |
As an outsider in baffled people don’t want better transport links in Suffolk but especially Ipswich. |
Not just people, but businesses too. Particularly anyone involved with shipping or freight from Felixstowe.
Maersk in 2024 announced it would move its primary UK Asia–Europe mainliner calls away from Felixstowe to London Gateway. Problems with the road infrastructure (specifically A14) were cited as the number one factor.
None of the morons in charge seem to be paying much attention.
(Edit: I appreciate I haven't really addressed your question about people NOT wanting better links - but be assured some of us do! Sadly those who are retired and have their own little patch of Suffolk countryside are shouting louder than those of us who work for a living). [Post edited 16 Oct 12:50]
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| Orwell Bridge closed… on 12:52 - Oct 16 with 523 views | Billywitch |
| Orwell Bridge closed… on 12:48 - Oct 16 by baxterbasics |
Not just people, but businesses too. Particularly anyone involved with shipping or freight from Felixstowe.
Maersk in 2024 announced it would move its primary UK Asia–Europe mainliner calls away from Felixstowe to London Gateway. Problems with the road infrastructure (specifically A14) were cited as the number one factor.
None of the morons in charge seem to be paying much attention.
(Edit: I appreciate I haven't really addressed your question about people NOT wanting better links - but be assured some of us do! Sadly those who are retired and have their own little patch of Suffolk countryside are shouting louder than those of us who work for a living). [Post edited 16 Oct 12:50]
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Guy I met on holiday (Town Fan) has a freight company, he is constantly emailing MP's etc trying to get some action taken. Costing firms big time | | | |
| Orwell Bridge closed… on 13:11 - Oct 16 with 440 views | baxterbasics |
| Orwell Bridge closed… on 12:52 - Oct 16 by Billywitch |
Guy I met on holiday (Town Fan) has a freight company, he is constantly emailing MP's etc trying to get some action taken. Costing firms big time |
What needs to happen is for it to be classed as a Nationally Significant Infrastructure Project (NSIP) by central government. It's too big and important (and expensive, as noted) to be left to local authorities to sort out.
Not sure the treasury will feel like stumping up either. | |
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| Orwell Bridge closed… on 13:19 - Oct 16 with 355 views | BackToRussia |
The bypass would also mean a lot of housing built along it (even more than is already happening in north Ipswich), so a lot more traffic as well. Needs to be more of a plan than just building another road. |  |
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| Orwell Bridge closed… on 13:21 - Oct 16 with 335 views | SenatorBlue |
| Orwell Bridge closed… on 12:19 - Oct 16 by baxterbasics |
The whole A12 Woodbridge > Seven Hills section needs a look at already. The Brightwell Lakes estate is going to add a bunch more pain once it's fully occupied.
I can't believe they are making lights and a refurb of Seven Hills a priority, there's plenty more needed improvements even within just a three mile radius.
Personal context: I live on Main Road Kesgrave, close to the Police HQ end. So I use these roads daily, including for my commute to BSE, the other choice being go through Ipswich which is considerably fewer miles, but only rational if leaving no later than 7am. Today with the bridge closed I went north-west through the countryside. With so many others doing the same, along narrow country lanes, it still took me 1hr 45 mins to go 35ish miles.
A northern bypass wouldn't just help with bridge closures, it would long term reduce the daily use of the current route by commuters like myself heading into west Suffolk. |
Totally agree with this post.
I also live in Kesgrave. Today to town centre took 2 hours. 1 hour 30 of this was sat on the Kesgrave main road (the unofficial northern bypass). It was actually not too bad once past Heath Rd roundabout.
The current proposed plan for A12 from Seven Hills to Woodbridge is dysfunctional from the outset. Adding traffic lights intended to manage flow, is counter intuitive to a northern bypass. It will also become totally overloaded once Brightwell and Foxhall Rd estates are built.
The fact they are pursuing lights on that stretch, tells me northern bypass is never going to happen. But it is essential, for both through and local traffic. If a northern bypass is to be built, then that stretch has to be straight through. But again that will cost a packet.
On the topic of Heath Rd roundabout, whoever decided to add pedestrian lights on the exit towards the hospital, needs to be shot. Tells me so much about the lack of real knowledge of our roads or road planning. Traffic blocks the roundabout, nothing can get into town across it, hence 1 hour 30 from Kesgrave, most of it stationary, because that round about was blocked.
I like the idea of a crossing from Felixstowe to Harwich, this makes sense. I like the idea of an "off roundabout" solution for Copdock. Both, if done right could negate the need for a northern bypass.
I still think a northern will be needed eventually, with that massive garden estate in north Ipswich. |  | | |
| Orwell Bridge closed… on 13:43 - Oct 16 with 205 views | Keno |
The 1970's called and want their thread back |  |
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| Orwell Bridge closed… on 13:51 - Oct 16 with 187 views | baxterbasics |
| Orwell Bridge closed… on 13:21 - Oct 16 by SenatorBlue |
Totally agree with this post.
I also live in Kesgrave. Today to town centre took 2 hours. 1 hour 30 of this was sat on the Kesgrave main road (the unofficial northern bypass). It was actually not too bad once past Heath Rd roundabout.
The current proposed plan for A12 from Seven Hills to Woodbridge is dysfunctional from the outset. Adding traffic lights intended to manage flow, is counter intuitive to a northern bypass. It will also become totally overloaded once Brightwell and Foxhall Rd estates are built.
The fact they are pursuing lights on that stretch, tells me northern bypass is never going to happen. But it is essential, for both through and local traffic. If a northern bypass is to be built, then that stretch has to be straight through. But again that will cost a packet.
On the topic of Heath Rd roundabout, whoever decided to add pedestrian lights on the exit towards the hospital, needs to be shot. Tells me so much about the lack of real knowledge of our roads or road planning. Traffic blocks the roundabout, nothing can get into town across it, hence 1 hour 30 from Kesgrave, most of it stationary, because that round about was blocked.
I like the idea of a crossing from Felixstowe to Harwich, this makes sense. I like the idea of an "off roundabout" solution for Copdock. Both, if done right could negate the need for a northern bypass.
I still think a northern will be needed eventually, with that massive garden estate in north Ipswich. |
For the entire 26 years I have been a driver, the local authorities approach to traffic management has been "how can we control and frustrate drivers even more?" when it should be "how can we allow traffic to flow more freely?" - traffic lights is a favourite solution of theirs. Remember when they put the lights around the Grange Farm roundabouts for no good reason? Eventually taken back down, and those cost £1million pounds a set. The Main Rd / Martlesham roundabout - I remember that working fine without lights, but they put them there anyway, ostensibly to facilitate the Park and Ride that hardly anybody uses. Clowns. | |
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| Orwell Bridge closed… on 14:26 - Oct 16 with 72 views | yesjohn99 |
| Orwell Bridge closed… on 12:19 - Oct 16 by baxterbasics |
The whole A12 Woodbridge > Seven Hills section needs a look at already. The Brightwell Lakes estate is going to add a bunch more pain once it's fully occupied.
I can't believe they are making lights and a refurb of Seven Hills a priority, there's plenty more needed improvements even within just a three mile radius.
Personal context: I live on Main Road Kesgrave, close to the Police HQ end. So I use these roads daily, including for my commute to BSE, the other choice being go through Ipswich which is considerably fewer miles, but only rational if leaving no later than 7am. Today with the bridge closed I went north-west through the countryside. With so many others doing the same, along narrow country lanes, it still took me 1hr 45 mins to go 35ish miles.
A northern bypass wouldn't just help with bridge closures, it would long term reduce the daily use of the current route by commuters like myself heading into west Suffolk. |
I too live on the main road, PHQ end. Want to start a supporters club up? | | | |
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