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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? 18:22 - Oct 31 with 1973 viewsDubtractor

A couple of very strong penalty claims, and a disallowed goal for the softest of touches.

Really infuriating stuff.

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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 20:17 - Oct 31 with 511 viewsStochesStotasBlewe

That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 20:14 - Oct 31 by ParisBlue

Ref was Thomas Kirk.

You may remember him from Stoke (a) in March, the last minute penalty that wasn't and a yellow card for Kipre and a suspension. And an apology for getting it wrong 2 days later.


He’s still sh1t…..and doesn’t like us either then 😉

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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 20:24 - Oct 31 with 484 viewsRadlett_blue

Kirk is a puzzling referee. I know it's a difficult job & most fans are vey biased, but he did a great job in the East Anglian derby (we won) but then gave Stoke that shocking late penalty, which made me worry he's a homer. This was his first PL game of the season. Credit for GON for accepting the disallowed Town goal today. I dislike a manger who endlessly moans about refereeing decisions.

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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 20:35 - Oct 31 with 462 viewsalexlanark64

That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 18:25 - Oct 31 by belgablue

The disallowed goal particularly galling given what they were getting away with. Couldn't believe VAR didn't give the Emerson one


It is a higher bar for a penalty. Although they were penalties. Or least they would be for Man City or Liverpool.

But it's also a higher bar to disallowe.a goal for something that's fine if Hull don't, repeatedly throughout the game.

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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 20:36 - Oct 31 with 459 viewsBasingstokeBlue

That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 18:32 - Oct 31 by sohamblue74

He was fcuking dreadful and VAR was even worse.

Pretty sure he's the clown who gave Stoke a ridiculous injury time penalty last season.

Hull fans are a really chatty and friendly bunch. Enjoyed the day.

But they are such a limited team, with only one tactic, to counter attack at pace, which we totally let them do to us all second half.

Will hopefully turn out to be a good point in the grand scheme of things.

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(apologies for the down-arrow; fat fingers trouble, again)

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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 20:53 - Oct 31 with 430 viewsredrickstuhaart

That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 20:35 - Oct 31 by alexlanark64

It is a higher bar for a penalty. Although they were penalties. Or least they would be for Man City or Liverpool.

But it's also a higher bar to disallowe.a goal for something that's fine if Hull don't, repeatedly throughout the game.

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It is not. Unless you can show me, in the laws, where it says so.

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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 21:14 - Oct 31 with 396 viewsGarv

That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 18:55 - Oct 31 by redrickstuhaart

That is nonsense. A foul is a foul. A foul in the area is a penalty. Full stop.


I'd argue almost every game of football in history says otherwise.

Refs give all sorts of ridiculous soft free kicks all over the pitch. They do it to even things up, to placate a boisterous home crowd, sometimes they're just fussy. You don't tend to see them give penalties for the same offences.

You'd see 5 penalties per game if what you say was true. I'm okay with not having 5 penalties a game.

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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 21:19 - Oct 31 with 381 viewsredrickstuhaart

That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 21:14 - Oct 31 by Garv

I'd argue almost every game of football in history says otherwise.

Refs give all sorts of ridiculous soft free kicks all over the pitch. They do it to even things up, to placate a boisterous home crowd, sometimes they're just fussy. You don't tend to see them give penalties for the same offences.

You'd see 5 penalties per game if what you say was true. I'm okay with not having 5 penalties a game.


Argue what you like. I go by what the laws say...

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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 21:49 - Oct 31 with 345 viewsGarv

That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 21:19 - Oct 31 by redrickstuhaart

Argue what you like. I go by what the laws say...


Why?

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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 21:52 - Oct 31 with 333 viewsjas0999

Yes. As poor as our so called defending.
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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 22:11 - Oct 31 with 295 viewsLankHenners

Him halting play because he thought a substitution was happening when it was just the PA announcing the attendance summed that prat up.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 23:26 - Oct 31 with 231 viewsredrickstuhaart

That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 21:49 - Oct 31 by Garv

Why?


Because that's how laws work.

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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 23:39 - Oct 31 with 203 viewsGarv

That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 23:26 - Oct 31 by redrickstuhaart

Because that's how laws work.


So every law is adhered to religiously and there's no subjectivity to them?

You must love VAR.

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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 23:48 - Oct 31 with 181 viewsredrickstuhaart

That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 23:39 - Oct 31 by Garv

So every law is adhered to religiously and there's no subjectivity to them?

You must love VAR.


No. There are a number of laws which clearly required judgment and subjectivity.

But there is none that says that the law applying to a foul in the box is different to any other place on the pitch. A referee who applies that mindset is simply demonstrably wrong.

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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 00:22 - Nov 1 with 148 viewsGarv

That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 23:48 - Oct 31 by redrickstuhaart

No. There are a number of laws which clearly required judgment and subjectivity.

But there is none that says that the law applying to a foul in the box is different to any other place on the pitch. A referee who applies that mindset is simply demonstrably wrong.


Respectfully I disagree. Again, I go back to subjectivity.

Every foul has subjectivity attached to it. A good referee will think harder about giving a penalty than he will a free kick in a non-threatening area of the pitch. You'd want them to.

I've always said there should be fewer soft free kicks given generally, and I think that's gradually improving. Bottom line is there are hundreds of free kicks given every week across the league/country that would not be given in the box. Call it an unwritten rule. You obviously don't think it should happen, but do you accept it does?

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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 00:36 - Nov 1 with 136 viewsalexlanark64

That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 21:19 - Oct 31 by redrickstuhaart

Argue what you like. I go by what the laws say...


"the laws" isn't how referring works. There's a layer beyond that, as any one who has ever refereed can atest to. Each game has to be refereed to a different level. You can't be giving penalties for soft fouls. You can for a free kick, because the consequences are less. You can't be disallowing goals for trivial fouls, the consequences are too great. The bar is higher, one example is players are diving all over the place. It's easy to be fooled in the heat of the moment
You referee a kids game, you stop the game for every single tiny injury and call every foul. Teenage boys, you allow more physicality. Seniors you call a foul anytime anyone falls over

Good luck standing in the centre circle after some 8 year old girl got a ball in the face and her parents are freaking out " I'm not stopping the game. That's not what the laws say"!!!
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That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 04:37 - Nov 1 with 62 viewsJoey_Joe_Joe_Junior

That ref was piss poor though, wasn't he? on 18:52 - Oct 31 by Garv

We all know that isn't how penalties work, and rightly so. There's little risk when giving a foul in the middle of the park, there's loads when it's in the box - you have to be sure (and not give in players buying decisions through simulation).

I haven't seen the shirt pull incident by the way, but the 'foul' for our disallowed goal looked mega soft.


If he’s disallowing our goal for a foul, not giving the Mendy shirt pull with VAR is incredibly annoying. He was certainly part of the fine margins but as always, I’m more annoyed about the ones we can control!

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