| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. 12:24 - Nov 9 with 3171 views | NthQldITFC |
Ignore this if you want to, you might as well if that's what you have been doing for the last twenty or thirty years. It's would take an extraordinary worldwide reset to save us and our children now.
https://www.theguardian.com/en
Bill McGuire, a professor emeritus of geophysical and climate hazards at University College London, said there were “no surprises” from the report, “to the extent that every measure reported, whether it be global temperature, sea level rise or sea ice extent, points to the fact that we are in deep shit”.
He said: “Of most concern is the growing imbalance between the incoming energy from the sun and that leaving the planet. Increasing greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere mean that while the heat coming in stays the same, that going out is steadily decreasing as our world hangs on to more and more of it.
“It is this growing imbalance – rather than just emissions – that most accurately tracks global heating and how quickly our planet will continue to heat up in the decades to come. This is because natural feedbacks are now coming into play that are driving up the temperature more rapidly than 20 years ago. |  |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 19:12 - Nov 9 | MJallday |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 18:21 - Nov 9 by NthQldITFC |
What's the point?
The better question is "What's the alternative?"
And the answer to that is very, very, clear - Catastrophe.
We start, others follow, or - Catastrophe. |
I agree with you
But the simple fact is that countries like the US, China, India and most of the middle and far east are doing nothing and will continue to do nothing
So yes we can say “yes we all need to do it” but it isn’t going to happen.
Sh1t, but that’s the reality |  |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 19:46 - Nov 9 | unstableblue |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 17:52 - Nov 9 by MJallday |
If everyone in the Uk stopped right now. Became totally green. No emmisions what so ever, we would see a drop in global emissions by..,1%
So what’s the point |
It’s not a question of stopping UK grinding to a halt to stop emissions, it would be a question of building new infrastructure, changing processes and behaviours, and innovating that would be exportable as engineering and services solutions to the rest of world to generate growth and revenue for UK PLC.
The Danish and other Northern countries are already getting superior economic gain from the net zero shift than we are.
The world will have to switch to net zero because the economics will drive it, we are paying a fraction of the future climate adaptation cost today - and it will rise exponentially, to colossal figures. You are already paying for climate adaptation today. |  |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 20:09 - Nov 9 | _CliveBaker_ |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 19:12 - Nov 9 by MJallday |
I agree with you
But the simple fact is that countries like the US, China, India and most of the middle and far east are doing nothing and will continue to do nothing
So yes we can say “yes we all need to do it” but it isn’t going to happen.
Sh1t, but that’s the reality |
It gets a bit sticky doesn't it. China contributes 32% of all CO2 emissions, for a country with 17% of the global population. They'll point to the size of their industrial and manufacturing sectors, the supermarket of the world. The product of which is consumed globally, and just so happens to be made there. Of course that doesn't mean they're doing anywhere near enough on climate challenges, and 70% of their energy still comes from coal which it frightening.
India might say hang on a second, we're 'only' 8% of global emissions despite being 18% of the population. You've enjoyed the benefits of burning through coal in your industrial revolutions, you've built infrastructure, advanced as nations, now you're telling us we've got to stop when we do it? Get fecked.
Ultimately, tough shit now. If we agree on the risks of climate change then nobody stands to win. The conversation needs to be joined up and at a global level, measurable, and go beyond conversation to proper legislation and decisive action. If protecting the planet isn't the #1 priority we have as a civilisation I don't know what the feck is. |  | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 07:25 - Nov 10 | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 19:12 - Nov 9 by MJallday |
I agree with you
But the simple fact is that countries like the US, China, India and most of the middle and far east are doing nothing and will continue to do nothing
So yes we can say “yes we all need to do it” but it isn’t going to happen.
Sh1t, but that’s the reality |
Indeed and in 2026, we still have world leaders sending their citizens into meat grinders over territory, or fighting people with different gods.
The idea that China will ‘follow us’ whilst they are busy cyber attacking us, conducting espionage, and trying to subvert our democracy is hopelessly naive. Given the summer we had, surely the conversations should now move to adaptation - air con in hospitals etc. We quite literally can’t mitigate the worst projections without China, and they’ve not committed to net zero for another 3 decades.
Forcing everyone into 2.5 tonne EV’s shipped from China is absolutely tinkering around the edges. |  | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 09:22 - Nov 10 | bluester |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 19:12 - Nov 9 by MJallday |
I agree with you
But the simple fact is that countries like the US, China, India and most of the middle and far east are doing nothing and will continue to do nothing
So yes we can say “yes we all need to do it” but it isn’t going to happen.
Sh1t, but that’s the reality |
China installs more solar each year than the rest of the world combined, India hit its 2030 target five years early and 91% of new US grid capacity is solar and batteries. ‘Doing nothing’ doesn’t really describe that. That's not to say it's all good news. China has also increased production from coal and gas in 2025 but they have also hit peak co2 production. [Post edited 10 Nov 11:43]
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 10:56 - Nov 10 | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 09:22 - Nov 10 by bluester |
China installs more solar each year than the rest of the world combined, India hit its 2030 target five years early and 91% of new US grid capacity is solar and batteries. ‘Doing nothing’ doesn’t really describe that. That's not to say it's all good news. China has also increased production from coal and gas in 2025 but they have also hit peak co2 production. [Post edited 10 Nov 11:43]
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Yes but that’s only one facet. They are also using government subsidies and effectively dumping products at a loss to target market share and undercut Western firms. Excess production is surely the complete opposite of responsible approach to climate. They are great at greenwashing, the net zero target of 2060 for the worlds biggest emitter is woeful, most of Europe are targeting net zero much more aggressively. | | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 11:20 - Nov 10 | mellowblue |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 10:56 - Nov 10 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Yes but that’s only one facet. They are also using government subsidies and effectively dumping products at a loss to target market share and undercut Western firms. Excess production is surely the complete opposite of responsible approach to climate. They are great at greenwashing, the net zero target of 2060 for the worlds biggest emitter is woeful, most of Europe are targeting net zero much more aggressively. |
A lot of that product dumping is market shifting due to the US tariffs, though an element as you say is also China being China. | | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 11:42 - Nov 10 | bluester |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 10:56 - Nov 10 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Yes but that’s only one facet. They are also using government subsidies and effectively dumping products at a loss to target market share and undercut Western firms. Excess production is surely the complete opposite of responsible approach to climate. They are great at greenwashing, the net zero target of 2060 for the worlds biggest emitter is woeful, most of Europe are targeting net zero much more aggressively. |
I don't disagree, their targets are woeful and they set them, they're nowhere near hitting the Paris targets, however, the pace of solar uptake does mean they'll exceed those targets by quite a margin. Yes, they are good at greenwashing but the reality is that they are not doing nothing. | | | |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 12:11 - Nov 10 | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 11:20 - Nov 10 by mellowblue |
A lot of that product dumping is market shifting due to the US tariffs, though an element as you say is also China being China. |
It’s been going on for years ahead of the tariffs, the EU have long called them out for it, and western firms have really been squeezed out of the Chinese market with aggressive subsidies (to Chinese owned firms) and political interference. Western investment in China has been falling for several years. | | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 13:30 - Nov 10 | mellowblue |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 12:11 - Nov 10 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It’s been going on for years ahead of the tariffs, the EU have long called them out for it, and western firms have really been squeezed out of the Chinese market with aggressive subsidies (to Chinese owned firms) and political interference. Western investment in China has been falling for several years. |
it's always been going on, but the last 2 years it has been beyond crazy. When they are dumping stuff through Temu etc at prices below what their official importers can offer UK retailers, it just gets silly. Margin, what margin. Europe has been so complacent over the years. | | | |
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