| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. 12:24 - Nov 9 with 3014 views | NthQldITFC |
Ignore this if you want to, you might as well if that's what you have been doing for the last twenty or thirty years. It's would take an extraordinary worldwide reset to save us and our children now.
https://www.theguardian.com/en
Bill McGuire, a professor emeritus of geophysical and climate hazards at University College London, said there were “no surprises” from the report, “to the extent that every measure reported, whether it be global temperature, sea level rise or sea ice extent, points to the fact that we are in deep shit”.
He said: “Of most concern is the growing imbalance between the incoming energy from the sun and that leaving the planet. Increasing greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere mean that while the heat coming in stays the same, that going out is steadily decreasing as our world hangs on to more and more of it.
“It is this growing imbalance – rather than just emissions – that most accurately tracks global heating and how quickly our planet will continue to heat up in the decades to come. This is because natural feedbacks are now coming into play that are driving up the temperature more rapidly than 20 years ago. |  |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 12:51 - Nov 9 | nrb1985 |
I'm not a climate change denier and I firmly accept this is happening and that we must take bold and decisive action and soon - and I do as much as most to reduce my carbon footprint.
However, the guardian will always publish the expert person who has the most doomsday scenario on pretty much all topics I've found.
In my field, markets and finance, every week you find an economist in there predicting the end of the world.
All that doesn't make the problem any less grave of course, just saying that the handpicked expert by the Guardian may be slightly more pessimistic than the average. [Post edited 9 Nov 12:52]
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 13:01 - Nov 9 | BlueBadger |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 12:51 - Nov 9 by nrb1985 |
I'm not a climate change denier and I firmly accept this is happening and that we must take bold and decisive action and soon - and I do as much as most to reduce my carbon footprint.
However, the guardian will always publish the expert person who has the most doomsday scenario on pretty much all topics I've found.
In my field, markets and finance, every week you find an economist in there predicting the end of the world.
All that doesn't make the problem any less grave of course, just saying that the handpicked expert by the Guardian may be slightly more pessimistic than the average. [Post edited 9 Nov 12:52]
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'We shouldn't be informed about what could happen' is quite a weird line to follow mate. |  |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 13:06 - Nov 9 | leitrimblue |
Stop moaning and get out in the garden in yer Speedos and enjoy the sun, was warmer then this in 1976 or something something something
Far from ignoring it, im stockpiling weapons and building myself a Mad Max car out in the garage.Come zero hour, Leitrims gonna be prepped and ready to go  |  | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 13:25 - Nov 9 | nrb1985 |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 13:01 - Nov 9 by BlueBadger |
'We shouldn't be informed about what could happen' is quite a weird line to follow mate. |
Per my post I wouldn’t describe much of what I read in the guardian, at least in my field, particularly informative.
Therefore I’m inclined to treat much of what they write with a degree of caution as I see first hand the sh1te they spew in a subject I know a fair amount about. | | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 13:38 - Nov 9 | NthQldITFC |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 12:51 - Nov 9 by nrb1985 |
I'm not a climate change denier and I firmly accept this is happening and that we must take bold and decisive action and soon - and I do as much as most to reduce my carbon footprint.
However, the guardian will always publish the expert person who has the most doomsday scenario on pretty much all topics I've found.
In my field, markets and finance, every week you find an economist in there predicting the end of the world.
All that doesn't make the problem any less grave of course, just saying that the handpicked expert by the Guardian may be slightly more pessimistic than the average. [Post edited 9 Nov 12:52]
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There's a bit of a difference between economics and physics! | |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 13:42 - Nov 9 | Plums |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 13:38 - Nov 9 by NthQldITFC |
There's a bit of a difference between economics and physics! |
TBF, they both use lots of graphs and charts that mere mortals could never understand. |  |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 13:58 - Nov 9 | J2BLUE |
“We have entered a new age of climate extremes,” said António Guterres, the UN secretary general. “A supersized El Niño is colliding with a planet already superheated by manmade climate change. Climate records keep falling. The human costs keep rising. And those least responsible are suffering first and worst.”
And there you have why nothing is bring done. If America was suffering Trump would be bullying everyone around the table.
When it does finally impact us on a big scale it will be too late. |  | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. (n/t) on 14:39 - Nov 9 | nrb1985 |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 13:42 - Nov 9 by Plums |
TBF, they both use lots of graphs and charts that mere mortals could never understand. |
I’ve worked in the field for nearly 20 years and I still don’t understand tbh.
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. (n/t) on 14:42 - Nov 9 | leitrimblue |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. (n/t) on 14:39 - Nov 9 by nrb1985 |
I’ve worked in the field for nearly 20 years and I still don’t understand tbh.
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Your a confused scarecrow? | | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. (n/t) on 14:45 - Nov 9 | nrb1985 |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. (n/t) on 14:42 - Nov 9 by leitrimblue |
Your a confused scarecrow? |
If only - now there really is an AI proof profession. | | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. (n/t) on 14:48 - Nov 9 | leitrimblue |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. (n/t) on 14:45 - Nov 9 by nrb1985 |
If only - now there really is an AI proof profession. |
Looks easy enough as well | | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. (n/t) on 14:49 - Nov 9 | nrb1985 |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. (n/t) on 14:48 - Nov 9 by leitrimblue |
Looks easy enough as well |
Long hours though. | | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. (n/t) on 15:14 - Nov 9 | leitrimblue |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. (n/t) on 14:49 - Nov 9 by nrb1985 |
Long hours though. |
Worzel always made it look easy enough. I imagine the secret is to look alert and awake while being in the middle of a 10 hour workplace power nap. | | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. (n/t) on 16:05 - Nov 9 | NthQldITFC |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. (n/t) on 15:14 - Nov 9 by leitrimblue |
Worzel always made it look easy enough. I imagine the secret is to look alert and awake while being in the middle of a 10 hour workplace power nap. |
How are you supposed to sleep with those bloody bird-scarer things going off all the time? Or with Una Stubbs flashing her knickers at ya? | |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 16:12 - Nov 9 | CrockerITFC |
I feel like we should start taking bets on what will cause the demise of humans first: the climate, WW3 or AI going rogue |  | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 17:09 - Nov 9 | _CliveBaker_ |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 16:12 - Nov 9 by CrockerITFC |
I feel like we should start taking bets on what will cause the demise of humans first: the climate, WW3 or AI going rogue |
Aliens.
Too late for that anyway, we're toast. I blame social media. |  | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 17:49 - Nov 9 | Plums |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 16:12 - Nov 9 by CrockerITFC |
I feel like we should start taking bets on what will cause the demise of humans first: the climate, WW3 or AI going rogue |
I'm happy to be bookmaker on that one.
I could even do an accumulator for all three.
How would you like to pay*?
*no cash out options included | |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 17:52 - Nov 9 | MJallday |
If everyone in the Uk stopped right now. Became totally green. No emmisions what so ever, we would see a drop in global emissions by..,1%
So what’s the point |  |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 18:06 - Nov 9 | NthQldITFC |
I know that my posts on this subject are often a little hyperbolic, simplistic, or emotionally provocative, but the lack of discussion of the accelerating effects of man-made emissions, and the potentially rapidly catastrophic feedbacks which are already being triggered just puzzles me immensely.
Are people really thinking that what this most rigorous of science is telling us is in some way not incredibly serious for all of us? Seeing climate change science compared to the somewhat vague and subjective topic of economics really worries me.
Have we just got to a point where we're trying not to think about it?
This graph is terrifying. The rapidness of the change in energy stored in of such an immense system as the oceans from 60N to 60S suggests a momentum which may be way beyond our ability to cope with.
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 18:09 - Nov 9 | redrickstuhaart |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 17:52 - Nov 9 by MJallday |
If everyone in the Uk stopped right now. Became totally green. No emmisions what so ever, we would see a drop in global emissions by..,1%
So what’s the point |
The point is we all do it. And everyone who says whats the point, normalises the next person saying the same thing. | |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 18:21 - Nov 9 | NthQldITFC |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 17:52 - Nov 9 by MJallday |
If everyone in the Uk stopped right now. Became totally green. No emmisions what so ever, we would see a drop in global emissions by..,1%
So what’s the point |
What's the point?
The better question is "What's the alternative?"
And the answer to that is very, very, clear - Catastrophe.
We start, others follow, or - Catastrophe. | |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 18:27 - Nov 9 | Swansea_Blue |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 12:51 - Nov 9 by nrb1985 |
I'm not a climate change denier and I firmly accept this is happening and that we must take bold and decisive action and soon - and I do as much as most to reduce my carbon footprint.
However, the guardian will always publish the expert person who has the most doomsday scenario on pretty much all topics I've found.
In my field, markets and finance, every week you find an economist in there predicting the end of the world.
All that doesn't make the problem any less grave of course, just saying that the handpicked expert by the Guardian may be slightly more pessimistic than the average. [Post edited 9 Nov 12:52]
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I know Bill (or rather used to a while back). He’s a bright guy and not wrong in this. And besides, he’s only summarising what lots of other people have also found. |  |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 18:30 - Nov 9 | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 12:51 - Nov 9 by nrb1985 |
I'm not a climate change denier and I firmly accept this is happening and that we must take bold and decisive action and soon - and I do as much as most to reduce my carbon footprint.
However, the guardian will always publish the expert person who has the most doomsday scenario on pretty much all topics I've found.
In my field, markets and finance, every week you find an economist in there predicting the end of the world.
All that doesn't make the problem any less grave of course, just saying that the handpicked expert by the Guardian may be slightly more pessimistic than the average. [Post edited 9 Nov 12:52]
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I mean they used to quote Neli Fergusson during Covid, enough said! |  |
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| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 18:44 - Nov 9 | _CliveBaker_ |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 17:52 - Nov 9 by MJallday |
If everyone in the Uk stopped right now. Became totally green. No emmisions what so ever, we would see a drop in global emissions by..,1%
So what’s the point |
Understand what you're saying. To my mind we need to be really joined up, pointed and formulaic about it at a global level, otherwise we'll get nowhere.
We can reliably measure net carbon emissions (adverse by c. 20bn tonnes of CO2 annually give or take, on the basis we emit 40bn tonnes and 20bn is absorbed by land and oceans). We can measure that at a country level too, not just on point of output but also point of consumption.
Theoretically, how about we globally agree an annual net consumption figure for each nation state, using a hybrid point of manufacture and point of consumption formula?
Agree an equitable, reliable and consistent measure, and tax each state for its net emissions annually. Set a universal cost per net tonne, lets say $300, and invest those taxes in global green and carbon capture initiatives, which in turn should bring those costs down. It'll incentivise governments to reduce their net emissions, in turn reducing their national tax, and accelerate us all to net zero at which point the taxes stop.
Of course in the short term its $6tn annually, in the region of 5% of global GDP, which reduces for countries as their emissions come down to net zero. I can't think of any better places to invest money, or better ways to actually incentivise decisive action.
Verbal promises will get us nowhere, we need measurable financial implications across the planet. Of course that would require cooperation, so that's not likely. | | | |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 18:50 - Nov 9 | Dubtractor |
| We are f***ed, the near future looks unavoidably grim. on 18:44 - Nov 9 by _CliveBaker_ |
Understand what you're saying. To my mind we need to be really joined up, pointed and formulaic about it at a global level, otherwise we'll get nowhere.
We can reliably measure net carbon emissions (adverse by c. 20bn tonnes of CO2 annually give or take, on the basis we emit 40bn tonnes and 20bn is absorbed by land and oceans). We can measure that at a country level too, not just on point of output but also point of consumption.
Theoretically, how about we globally agree an annual net consumption figure for each nation state, using a hybrid point of manufacture and point of consumption formula?
Agree an equitable, reliable and consistent measure, and tax each state for its net emissions annually. Set a universal cost per net tonne, lets say $300, and invest those taxes in global green and carbon capture initiatives, which in turn should bring those costs down. It'll incentivise governments to reduce their net emissions, in turn reducing their national tax, and accelerate us all to net zero at which point the taxes stop.
Of course in the short term its $6tn annually, in the region of 5% of global GDP, which reduces for countries as their emissions come down to net zero. I can't think of any better places to invest money, or better ways to actually incentivise decisive action.
Verbal promises will get us nowhere, we need measurable financial implications across the planet. Of course that would require cooperation, so that's not likely. |
The worst thing that could possibly have happened, was trump getting re elected. The whole global narrative on action to improve things has been aggressively undone.
It has set the planet back decades.
I'm glad I don't have kids/grandkids, as i would feel pretty depressed about the world we are leaving them. |  |
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