| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what 10:49 - Mar 19 with 3143 views | howdonblue |
‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what he does’ - Spence on McCarthy
Doesn’t say much about their quality then does it ! [Post edited 19 Mar 2018 10:50]
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| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 11:14 - Mar 19 with 3070 views | J2BLUE |
I actually quite like Spence as a squad player but he was releashed by MK Dons and then gets signed by us. Not going to say yea he's an idiot is he? Anyway, he is quite good at what he does and i'm sure the players do like him. His time here has just come to an end. Sad that it has got to this point. |  |
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| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 11:32 - Mar 19 with 3025 views | howdonblue |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 11:14 - Mar 19 by J2BLUE |
I actually quite like Spence as a squad player but he was releashed by MK Dons and then gets signed by us. Not going to say yea he's an idiot is he? Anyway, he is quite good at what he does and i'm sure the players do like him. His time here has just come to an end. Sad that it has got to this point. |
No I know he won’t say that but if the players are working their hardest for him it doesn’t highlight them in the best way !
Also Alex Mathie mentioned a good point Saturday
Every time the full backs (Spence and knudsen) got the ball their first thought was to go backwards!
Shows the managers intent
So Spence must mean that McCarthy is good at training a team to go backwards | | | |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 11:37 - Mar 19 with 3012 views | homer_123 |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 11:32 - Mar 19 by howdonblue |
No I know he won’t say that but if the players are working their hardest for him it doesn’t highlight them in the best way !
Also Alex Mathie mentioned a good point Saturday
Every time the full backs (Spence and knudsen) got the ball their first thought was to go backwards!
Shows the managers intent
So Spence must mean that McCarthy is good at training a team to go backwards |
Shows the managers intent
Does it though? Or does it mean that, sometimes, there isn't a forward pass, or that it's the players making a poor choice or that they've been instructed to keep possession etc etc etc |  |
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| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 11:44 - Mar 19 with 2989 views | howdonblue |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 11:37 - Mar 19 by homer_123 |
Shows the managers intent
Does it though? Or does it mean that, sometimes, there isn't a forward pass, or that it's the players making a poor choice or that they've been instructed to keep possession etc etc etc |
Well going by what Mathie said it was every time they got the ball .
His words not mine I never heard the match commentary | | | |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:02 - Mar 19 with 2953 views | Bobbychase |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 11:14 - Mar 19 by J2BLUE |
I actually quite like Spence as a squad player but he was releashed by MK Dons and then gets signed by us. Not going to say yea he's an idiot is he? Anyway, he is quite good at what he does and i'm sure the players do like him. His time here has just come to an end. Sad that it has got to this point. |
Spence was awful on Saturday, along with Ward. With an injury crisis like ours we needed players to step up and those two certainly didn't. |  |
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| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:04 - Mar 19 with 2949 views | homer_123 |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 11:44 - Mar 19 by howdonblue |
Well going by what Mathie said it was every time they got the ball .
His words not mine I never heard the match commentary |
Like I say, you need to think about why that might be happening.
You (or Mathie) as assuming it is because Mick has instructed that. I'm saying, is it really? | |
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| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:06 - Mar 19 with 2944 views | Fixed_It |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:02 - Mar 19 by Bobbychase |
Spence was awful on Saturday, along with Ward. With an injury crisis like ours we needed players to step up and those two certainly didn't. |
And yet Ward was one of the best players on the pitch last Tuesday. So frustrating. |  |
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| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:12 - Mar 19 with 2933 views | howdonblue |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:04 - Mar 19 by homer_123 |
Like I say, you need to think about why that might be happening.
You (or Mathie) as assuming it is because Mick has instructed that. I'm saying, is it really? |
Well if it’s happening every time they get the ball I would say that they are probably getting instructed to do so !
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| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:14 - Mar 19 with 2926 views | imsureazzure |
Spence isn't good enough and a new manager will out him. |  | | |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:33 - Mar 19 with 2892 views | Superfrans |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 11:37 - Mar 19 by homer_123 |
Shows the managers intent
Does it though? Or does it mean that, sometimes, there isn't a forward pass, or that it's the players making a poor choice or that they've been instructed to keep possession etc etc etc |
It isn't as clear cut as It is often painted on here.
There surely can be little doubt that McCarthy encourages a percentage game - it's the old theory (from the Charles Hughes school of football, for those old enough to remember him - he was the FA director of football in the Eighties) that the majority of goals are scored from 3 passes or less and the "positions of maximum opportunity", areas of the pitch where teams are more likely to score from. The theory goes that if you get the ball into "pomo" as often as you can, you'll score more goals. I personally don't imagine McCarthy full subscribes to this, but that there is a bit of this in his thinking.
Also, McCarthy is by nature a cautious manager, who is driven by playing football to maximum points, rather than create entertaining football.
I have no doubt that we tried to do something slightly different this season. The fact that we have played a number of games this season with 4 strikers on the pitch at once (McGoldrick, Celina, Waghorn and Garner) indicates that he has tried to get us playing attacking football. We also started last season trying to play a different way, more possession football.
The problem is that if a manager or his players are drilled to play a particular way, maybe even recruited with that kind of mindset, they will always revert to type at moments of stress, challenge or insecurity.
Personally, I think that's what happens under MM. We have tried to play a different style of football on occasion under him, but when our backs are against the wall, or we are struggling during games, or we have limited options because of injury, we revert to type. We start hoiking the ball long, clearing aimlessly out of defence and generally not finding our own players. |  |
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| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:35 - Mar 19 with 2891 views | Superfrans |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:14 - Mar 19 by imsureazzure |
Spence isn't good enough and a new manager will out him. |
Spence is a much better player than he is given credit for imho. In a team consistently playing the ball, along the ground, possession football, he'd be fairly comfortable. | |
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| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:48 - Mar 19 with 2868 views | Bluebell |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:02 - Mar 19 by Bobbychase |
Spence was awful on Saturday, along with Ward. With an injury crisis like ours we needed players to step up and those two certainly didn't. |
Were you at the game?
Ward was one of our best players on Saturday along with Skuse. |  | | |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:54 - Mar 19 with 2854 views | FinidiCentenary |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:04 - Mar 19 by homer_123 |
Like I say, you need to think about why that might be happening.
You (or Mathie) as assuming it is because Mick has instructed that. I'm saying, is it really? |
A couple of pre-seasons ago McGoldrick and Murphy were away with Ireland and came back late and were given rest.
I went to all the pre-season games and we came out with the likes of Sears and McLoughlin up front, two shorties, and from the first minute played long balls up to their heads, where they didn't win a thing against the centre half.
Mick didn't change it all, didn't shout, didn't tell them to keep the ball on the deck. Nothing. Next game. Exact same thing!
We were playing the ball up to Murphy's head without Murphy and Mick didn't tell them to do anything differently. So they either had no instruction, he gave them that instruction or he failed to tell them to change because it wasn't working.
That was the first time I thought there were issues and it's got worse ever since. What does Mick ask them to do? The playoff season with Tabb and Anderson, we had a clear plan.
Since then I'm not sure we've had any plan. |  |
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| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:56 - Mar 19 with 2836 views | PJH |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:48 - Mar 19 by Bluebell |
Were you at the game?
Ward was one of our best players on Saturday along with Skuse. |
I thought both those plus Sears. [Post edited 19 Mar 2018 12:57]
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| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:57 - Mar 19 with 2827 views | Benters2 |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 11:44 - Mar 19 by howdonblue |
Well going by what Mathie said it was every time they got the ball .
His words not mine I never heard the match commentary |
Yes i heard him say that too. | | | |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:57 - Mar 19 with 2829 views | christiand |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:35 - Mar 19 by Superfrans |
Spence is a much better player than he is given credit for imho. In a team consistently playing the ball, along the ground, possession football, he'd be fairly comfortable. |
Agree with your thoughts Superfrans. Spence is a footballing defender and comfortable with the ball at his feet, he would probably suit a team like Brentford or Fulham much better than us currently. Was having this debate with JetPower and Libero on Saturday, Spence is not a wing-back he simply is not athletic enough to get up and down the pitch like Iorfa. However, as a normal fullback in a flat back 4 that suits him better as he has the protection in from of him and he hasn't got that responsibility to cover that whole right side of the pitch. [Post edited 19 Mar 2018 12:59]
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| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 13:14 - Mar 19 with 2779 views | howdonblue |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:57 - Mar 19 by christiand |
Agree with your thoughts Superfrans. Spence is a footballing defender and comfortable with the ball at his feet, he would probably suit a team like Brentford or Fulham much better than us currently. Was having this debate with JetPower and Libero on Saturday, Spence is not a wing-back he simply is not athletic enough to get up and down the pitch like Iorfa. However, as a normal fullback in a flat back 4 that suits him better as he has the protection in from of him and he hasn't got that responsibility to cover that whole right side of the pitch. [Post edited 19 Mar 2018 12:59]
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Agree also it’s mcarthys tactics | | | |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 14:44 - Mar 19 with 2711 views | Bobbychase |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:48 - Mar 19 by Bluebell |
Were you at the game?
Ward was one of our best players on Saturday along with Skuse. |
Yes I was at the game, watching Ward turn in a toothless performance. Which bits of his game did you think were the highlights, the second-half free kick he floated over the bar or the constant giving away of the ball? | |
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| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 15:10 - Mar 19 with 2672 views | Swn98 |
| ‘We don’t have to stick up for our manager because he’s fantastic at what on 12:14 - Mar 19 by imsureazzure |
Spence isn't good enough and a new manager will out him. |
Along with 90% of the other players, best any fan under 25 brings his boots to the first game of next season could get a game. | | | |
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