| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 10:52 - Apr 14 with 1041 views | Harry_Palmer |
Cheers Steve, that certainly answers a lot of the questions that people may have had around the discrepancies between the daily figures and the final ONS figures.
It's also interesting that the daily figures are only those confirmed via test and not based on suspected Covid-19. This certainly flies in the face of many claims I have seen online that anything even suspected as Covid-19 related is being added to the figures.
How accurate/reliable the tests actually are is of course a different debate altogether. |  | |  |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 11:37 - Apr 14 with 999 views | Steve_M |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 10:52 - Apr 14 by Harry_Palmer |
Cheers Steve, that certainly answers a lot of the questions that people may have had around the discrepancies between the daily figures and the final ONS figures.
It's also interesting that the daily figures are only those confirmed via test and not based on suspected Covid-19. This certainly flies in the face of many claims I have seen online that anything even suspected as Covid-19 related is being added to the figures.
How accurate/reliable the tests actually are is of course a different debate altogether. |
I think that's where transparency and consistency are important. As that article points out a daily number of hospital deaths remains useful, even if necessarily incomplete.
The UK government chart showing a comparison with France when France included care home deaths and the UK number didn't rather less so.
The FT analysis, which is not pay-walled, is consistently updated and worth looking at too.
https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest |  |
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| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 12:09 - Apr 14 with 963 views | linhdi |
There is a really interesting graph from the ONS on the Guardian website a few minutes ago. It shows the total number of deaths in the UK by week, comparing this year v the 5 year average, based on registrations of all deaths.
For the week ending 3rd April, there were 16,387 deaths registered, which is 6,082 higher than the 5-year average for that week. Frustrating as it is to have to wait for the weekly updates, this seems to be the most accurate stay available to us.
Registrations are, per ONS, on average about 5 days after death itself. So, these numbers are around / just over 2 weeks behind reality. |  | | |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 12:17 - Apr 14 with 938 views | StokieBlue |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 12:09 - Apr 14 by linhdi |
There is a really interesting graph from the ONS on the Guardian website a few minutes ago. It shows the total number of deaths in the UK by week, comparing this year v the 5 year average, based on registrations of all deaths.
For the week ending 3rd April, there were 16,387 deaths registered, which is 6,082 higher than the 5-year average for that week. Frustrating as it is to have to wait for the weekly updates, this seems to be the most accurate stay available to us.
Registrations are, per ONS, on average about 5 days after death itself. So, these numbers are around / just over 2 weeks behind reality. |
That's very interesting and seems to tally fairly well with the report coming out of New York on excess mortality.
There were some saying that it wasn't really creating excess mortality over a normal year.
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| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 12:27 - Apr 14 with 889 views | NotSure |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 12:09 - Apr 14 by linhdi |
There is a really interesting graph from the ONS on the Guardian website a few minutes ago. It shows the total number of deaths in the UK by week, comparing this year v the 5 year average, based on registrations of all deaths.
For the week ending 3rd April, there were 16,387 deaths registered, which is 6,082 higher than the 5-year average for that week. Frustrating as it is to have to wait for the weekly updates, this seems to be the most accurate stay available to us.
Registrations are, per ONS, on average about 5 days after death itself. So, these numbers are around / just over 2 weeks behind reality. |
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/dea
Massively long URL but you can get the spreadsheet here detailing the age groups and gender. So a week ago there were on average 850 extra deaths a day. |  | | |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 12:39 - Apr 14 with 870 views | Bluesquid |
Interesting, over 8000 deaths in January alone where the underlying cause was respiratory disease.
Could it be possible that C-19 was circulating even back then? | | | |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 12:46 - Apr 14 with 843 views | Herbivore |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 12:39 - Apr 14 by Bluesquid |
Interesting, over 8000 deaths in January alone where the underlying cause was respiratory disease.
Could it be possible that C-19 was circulating even back then? |
Excess deaths or just deaths? January is peak flu season. |  |
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| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 12:48 - Apr 14 with 832 views | NotSure |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 12:39 - Apr 14 by Bluesquid |
Interesting, over 8000 deaths in January alone where the underlying cause was respiratory disease.
Could it be possible that C-19 was circulating even back then? |
But the 5 year average has been broadly the same until the week ending March 27th. Then it suddenly goes up by 6,000 week ending April 3rd.
These are extra deaths that can only be explained by C-19. | | | |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 12:54 - Apr 14 with 820 views | Bluesquid |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 12:46 - Apr 14 by Herbivore |
Excess deaths or just deaths? January is peak flu season. |
Not excess, just week by week where the underlying cause was respiratory disease.
But yeah you must be right, i had forgotten about the flu and it being peak season which would perhaps explain the over 8,000 figure for January. | | | |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 13:05 - Apr 14 with 795 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 12:09 - Apr 14 by linhdi |
There is a really interesting graph from the ONS on the Guardian website a few minutes ago. It shows the total number of deaths in the UK by week, comparing this year v the 5 year average, based on registrations of all deaths.
For the week ending 3rd April, there were 16,387 deaths registered, which is 6,082 higher than the 5-year average for that week. Frustrating as it is to have to wait for the weekly updates, this seems to be the most accurate stay available to us.
Registrations are, per ONS, on average about 5 days after death itself. So, these numbers are around / just over 2 weeks behind reality. |
It should be noted that of the 6082 extra deaths only 3475 were deaths where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate. The other 2607 additional deaths are something of a mystery and are being analysed for patterns I believe.
curiously the number of deaths where the underlying cause was respiratory is 2106 for the same week ( we 03/04 ) which is still slightly lower than the 2141 that occurred in w/e 03/01 prior to Covid-19.
This somewhat contradicts the higher Covid-19 figure or perhaps suggests that a fair number of the 3475 were Covid-19 related but not where it was the underlying cause of death.
Either way its not good and in saying 'Only' 3475 I am of course not trying in any way to play this down, its a horrible number. [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 15:07]
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| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 13:09 - Apr 14 with 783 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 12:48 - Apr 14 by NotSure |
But the 5 year average has been broadly the same until the week ending March 27th. Then it suddenly goes up by 6,000 week ending April 3rd.
These are extra deaths that can only be explained by C-19. |
Its not quite as clear cut as that, see my other post in response to linhdi. | | | |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 14:28 - Apr 14 with 736 views | linhdi |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 13:05 - Apr 14 by Harry_Palmer |
It should be noted that of the 6082 extra deaths only 3475 were deaths where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate. The other 2607 additional deaths are something of a mystery and are being analysed for patterns I believe.
curiously the number of deaths where the underlying cause was respiratory is 2106 for the same week ( we 03/04 ) which is still slightly lower than the 2141 that occurred in w/e 03/01 prior to Covid-19.
This somewhat contradicts the higher Covid-19 figure or perhaps suggests that a fair number of the 3475 were Covid-19 related but not where it was the underlying cause of death.
Either way its not good and in saying 'Only' 3475 I am of course not trying in any way to play this down, its a horrible number. [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 15:07]
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A Suffolk GP posted on a Guardian comment piece that he has been instructed not to put C19 on a death certificate unless there has been a positive test. Given that testing in the community isn't taking place, this would massively impact C19 stats. Luckily, the ONS hasn't been silenced yet. | | | |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 14:35 - Apr 14 with 729 views | StokieBlue |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 14:28 - Apr 14 by linhdi |
A Suffolk GP posted on a Guardian comment piece that he has been instructed not to put C19 on a death certificate unless there has been a positive test. Given that testing in the community isn't taking place, this would massively impact C19 stats. Luckily, the ONS hasn't been silenced yet. |
Why do you think people are being silenced?
There was another poster yesterday claiming the exact opposite of this and that the numbers were being inflated as deaths were being catalogued as C19 given a positive test even if the final cause was something else.
Seems numbers being added and taken away at each end if we everyone.
SB [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 14:36]
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| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 15:01 - Apr 14 with 686 views | longtimefan |
| Piece from ONS on UK Death Counts on 14:35 - Apr 14 by StokieBlue |
Why do you think people are being silenced?
There was another poster yesterday claiming the exact opposite of this and that the numbers were being inflated as deaths were being catalogued as C19 given a positive test even if the final cause was something else.
Seems numbers being added and taken away at each end if we everyone.
SB [Post edited 14 Apr 2020 14:36]
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Sadly people prefer conspiracy theories to facts ... See 5G | | | |
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