| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc 09:19 - Nov 10 with 763 views | ElderGrizzly |
After one of his MPs (who voted to cut Universal Credit) said this yesterday
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| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc on 09:27 - Nov 10 with 697 views | Swansea_Blue |
I'm wondering if there's a chance this may end up being damaging after all. We're so used to this lot getting away with blatant lies and rule/law breaking that you end up thinking they're untouchable (which is how they obviously view themselves). The Mail is still on the attack today - I know that's only 2-3 days in a row, but that's a lot for them. Maybe some of this is going to stick. Although whether it's enough to do some damage at the ballot box next time depends on the ability of other parties and especially Labour to exploit it (so I'm not holding my breath).
This is rather marvelous by the way:
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| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc on 09:29 - Nov 10 with 689 views | itfcjoe |
There is room for outside work, i.e. writing a newspaper column, presenting a radio show and certain jobs like Dr and Lawyer need time on the front line to keep training and skills up to date.
There clearly becomes a line that when crossed means you can't do the job effectively - my MP was the MP who did the most outside work over last parliament, but is a Dr so hard to say it's not a good thing.....but then is paid £80k a year to represent his Suffolk constituents and spends his time working in a London hospital for 28 hours a week so how does that work?! |  |
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| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc on 09:44 - Nov 10 with 618 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc on 09:29 - Nov 10 by itfcjoe |
There is room for outside work, i.e. writing a newspaper column, presenting a radio show and certain jobs like Dr and Lawyer need time on the front line to keep training and skills up to date.
There clearly becomes a line that when crossed means you can't do the job effectively - my MP was the MP who did the most outside work over last parliament, but is a Dr so hard to say it's not a good thing.....but then is paid £80k a year to represent his Suffolk constituents and spends his time working in a London hospital for 28 hours a week so how does that work?! |
Agree. A huge difference between taking on a few legal cases (as Keir Starmer did) and being a Dr versus taking £100k off Randox.
However, how someone balances 28 hours in a hospital with being a 'full-time' MP is interesting.
Andrew Mitchell was particularly good in time management it seems. Edging towards £200k outside of his MP job for 34 days work.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/07/30-mps-who-could-be-affected-by | | | |
| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc on 09:46 - Nov 10 with 610 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc on 09:27 - Nov 10 by Swansea_Blue |
I'm wondering if there's a chance this may end up being damaging after all. We're so used to this lot getting away with blatant lies and rule/law breaking that you end up thinking they're untouchable (which is how they obviously view themselves). The Mail is still on the attack today - I know that's only 2-3 days in a row, but that's a lot for them. Maybe some of this is going to stick. Although whether it's enough to do some damage at the ballot box next time depends on the ability of other parties and especially Labour to exploit it (so I'm not holding my breath).
This is rather marvelous by the way:
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As a Tory MP said, Johnson is a useful fool now. He deflects from their main agenda.
Once he is no longer useful the papers and paymasters will ensure he is hung out to dry rather than him hanging others out to dry (Geoffrey Cox for example yesterday)
There appears to be a belief among some MPs that Johnson's time is running out. | | | |
| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc on 09:49 - Nov 10 with 599 views | NthQldITFC |
| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc on 09:29 - Nov 10 by itfcjoe |
There is room for outside work, i.e. writing a newspaper column, presenting a radio show and certain jobs like Dr and Lawyer need time on the front line to keep training and skills up to date.
There clearly becomes a line that when crossed means you can't do the job effectively - my MP was the MP who did the most outside work over last parliament, but is a Dr so hard to say it's not a good thing.....but then is paid £80k a year to represent his Suffolk constituents and spends his time working in a London hospital for 28 hours a week so how does that work?! |
The removal of corruption, or any perception of possible corruption in government is far more important to democracy and the continuation of the unwritten pact between the governed and the governors, giving us law and order and decency (up to a point), far more important than the additional contributions that an individual MP might make in an external job.
For that reason, I would be happy to see MPs paid even more, and paid it for say five years after leaving office, on the strict proviso that they do no work for any profit making organisation for that extended period, at pain of real and meaningful punishment. Thus working for the NHS would be fine, but working for a private medical firm would be punishable by imprisonment!
Wow, that seems ridiculously harsh after writing it, but is the aim of complete honesty and transparency in government worth such a draconian approach? |  |
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| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc on 09:56 - Nov 10 with 575 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc on 09:49 - Nov 10 by NthQldITFC |
The removal of corruption, or any perception of possible corruption in government is far more important to democracy and the continuation of the unwritten pact between the governed and the governors, giving us law and order and decency (up to a point), far more important than the additional contributions that an individual MP might make in an external job.
For that reason, I would be happy to see MPs paid even more, and paid it for say five years after leaving office, on the strict proviso that they do no work for any profit making organisation for that extended period, at pain of real and meaningful punishment. Thus working for the NHS would be fine, but working for a private medical firm would be punishable by imprisonment!
Wow, that seems ridiculously harsh after writing it, but is the aim of complete honesty and transparency in government worth such a draconian approach? |
Some of the Government's media friends are trying to "but Labour" it this morning too.
Missing the point completely as well as Starmer was helping residents get a vote in the Brexit referendum.
Cox was helping a country avoid the tax rules of his own Government
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/30/keir-starmer-calls-on-governmen | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:06 - Nov 10 with 549 views | NthQldITFC |
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| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc on 10:08 - Nov 10 with 537 views | NthQldITFC |
Which perhaps backs up the idea of a hard line rule that leaves no scope for confusion or argument. No paid work, or work whether paid or 'unpaid' for a profit making organisation until five years after leaving office. Clean politics!  | |
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| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc on 11:22 - Nov 10 with 420 views | BlueBadger |
| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc on 09:49 - Nov 10 by NthQldITFC |
The removal of corruption, or any perception of possible corruption in government is far more important to democracy and the continuation of the unwritten pact between the governed and the governors, giving us law and order and decency (up to a point), far more important than the additional contributions that an individual MP might make in an external job.
For that reason, I would be happy to see MPs paid even more, and paid it for say five years after leaving office, on the strict proviso that they do no work for any profit making organisation for that extended period, at pain of real and meaningful punishment. Thus working for the NHS would be fine, but working for a private medical firm would be punishable by imprisonment!
Wow, that seems ridiculously harsh after writing it, but is the aim of complete honesty and transparency in government worth such a draconian approach? |
Removing the impetus on MP's to find and employ their own staff and/or clearer rules would help as well - far too many employ family members at high salaries. These people should be paid according to the equivalent civil service guidelines and vetted an interview according to civil service practice.
I'd go even further and suggest that they are employed and allocated BY the civil service from a staff 'pool'.
Likewise accomodation for those further than, say, 60-70 miles from Westminster - buy up a couple of vacant office blocks/flats, do them up and offer them at a subsidised rate inclusive of amenities.
Don't want to use any of these? Then you fund them out your own pocket. |  |
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| Sajid David: Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc on 11:23 - Nov 10 with 416 views | Swansea_Blue |
I wouldn't call Pickard or the FT government friendly. He's got a point there about Starmer; it will be seen as double standards even if it isn't quite. Pickard also rightly says that the issue isn't about the second jobs themselves, but rather the breaching of rules/codes of conduct whilst doing those jobs. | |
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