| Investors’ plans 08:04 - Jul 14 with 1064 views | nick141 |
I continue to be impressed with the owners’ long term vision and ambition, particularly in regard to the infrastructure improvements.
Of course this is an investment so they’ll be looking to sell at some point. What do we think their timeline is? I ask because if it was a medium term effort then you’d think they’d purely invest in the squad and try and blitz their way to championship and beyond. But the talk of real redevelopments suggests this could be a much longer play. Clearly their ambition is the premier league, but I wonder if they’d be willing to wait 10+ years?
I still find it fascinating that ‘public’ funds are being used in this way. Hugely welcome but I’m still sure I’d want to be an Arizona fireman at this point! |  | | |  |
| Investors’ plans on 08:07 - Jul 14 with 1040 views | Keno |
The risk to Arizona fireman is minimal. To put into some context if you had a £100,000 pension fund the amount 'invested in ITFC' would be something like £1,000.
Its the high risk end of their portfolio which the scheme will see as a 'long term punt' |  |
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| Investors’ plans on 14:02 - Jul 14 with 831 views | ElephantintheRoom |
It’s not public funds - it’s a pension fund that have entrusted their fund management to a manager who advocates property development
No American institutions think long term - it’s all about the bottom line - making profits and ‘adding value’. There is nothing to suggest a small Town club in a faraway land that doesn’t own it’s own ground can compete in the Premier League, even if it could get there - and the three chancers that have borrowed money off the pension fund have a smoke and mirrors business model to ‘create value’ in Phoenix and sell inflated part ownership. As far as I can see they don’t agree that this is sustainable at Phoenix - and one of them has decamped to Tucson to do things slightly differently
going backwards in the league whilst exponentially increasing costs and evicting a £12million player was not in the original PowerPoint presentation. BUT O’Leary and Ashton will have blinded them with $ signs that will fall into their saddlebags if the club can get promoted. A going nowhere second division club is more marketable and hence more valuable than a going nowhere third division club - hence the lick of paint and shiny blue seats. Sunderland have shown that it IS possible for a ‘big club’ to go up no matter how badly it is run
So why not Town. Just try not to think how badly they struggled to compete in the second division last time they were there | |
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| Investors’ plans on 14:05 - Jul 14 with 822 views | factual_blue |
| Investors’ plans on 08:07 - Jul 14 by Keno |
The risk to Arizona fireman is minimal. To put into some context if you had a £100,000 pension fund the amount 'invested in ITFC' would be something like £1,000.
Its the high risk end of their portfolio which the scheme will see as a 'long term punt' |
Is a long-term punt a bit like a cheeky bid? |  |
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| Investors’ plans on 14:06 - Jul 14 with 823 views | STYG |
People seem to miss continually that this fund has billions.
It will have assets that grow steadily from £1m to £3m to 5m to £10m.
And some that grow from £100m to £500m.
And some that lose value.
Whether we are worth £30m in 3 years of £60m makes very little difference to them. The firefighters aren't using foodbanks desperately hoping Gamechanger sells us so they can have their pension money.
They'll see us as a £30m asset that they can pump £20m into and we may end up being worth £20m, £30m or, if all goes right £200m like a Palace or Leicester or Wolves.
That's when they will look to cash out as such. They aren't using us to make a quick couple of million. It'll be 5-10 years you'd imagine to increase the value of the club 4 or 5 fold if it goes right, or to get out with minimal losses at the same time if it's gone nowhere. | | | |
| Investors’ plans on 14:23 - Jul 14 with 772 views | Keno |
| Investors’ plans on 14:02 - Jul 14 by ElephantintheRoom |
It’s not public funds - it’s a pension fund that have entrusted their fund management to a manager who advocates property development
No American institutions think long term - it’s all about the bottom line - making profits and ‘adding value’. There is nothing to suggest a small Town club in a faraway land that doesn’t own it’s own ground can compete in the Premier League, even if it could get there - and the three chancers that have borrowed money off the pension fund have a smoke and mirrors business model to ‘create value’ in Phoenix and sell inflated part ownership. As far as I can see they don’t agree that this is sustainable at Phoenix - and one of them has decamped to Tucson to do things slightly differently
going backwards in the league whilst exponentially increasing costs and evicting a £12million player was not in the original PowerPoint presentation. BUT O’Leary and Ashton will have blinded them with $ signs that will fall into their saddlebags if the club can get promoted. A going nowhere second division club is more marketable and hence more valuable than a going nowhere third division club - hence the lick of paint and shiny blue seats. Sunderland have shown that it IS possible for a ‘big club’ to go up no matter how badly it is run
So why not Town. Just try not to think how badly they struggled to compete in the second division last time they were there |
Elle you know you always make me want to sing
"always look on the bright side of life ........." | |
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| Investors’ plans on 14:27 - Jul 14 with 760 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Investors’ plans on 08:07 - Jul 14 by Keno |
The risk to Arizona fireman is minimal. To put into some context if you had a £100,000 pension fund the amount 'invested in ITFC' would be something like £1,000.
Its the high risk end of their portfolio which the scheme will see as a 'long term punt' |
They love 'running to adversity' anyway - that could include running towards the car crash that is soccer, er sorry football, fininaces. |  |
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| Investors’ plans on 15:15 - Jul 14 with 704 views | suffolkpoker |
| Investors’ plans on 14:05 - Jul 14 by factual_blue |
Is a long-term punt a bit like a cheeky bid? |
Its a calculated punt. The yanks love the English sport model of Football. They come in and run things better, they make it more effiecent with a higher upsale potenial. They are happy to sit on the investment and watch inflation do its thing. [Post edited 14 Jul 2022 17:34]
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| Investors’ plans on 21:29 - Jul 14 with 572 views | Coastalblue |
| Investors’ plans on 14:02 - Jul 14 by ElephantintheRoom |
It’s not public funds - it’s a pension fund that have entrusted their fund management to a manager who advocates property development
No American institutions think long term - it’s all about the bottom line - making profits and ‘adding value’. There is nothing to suggest a small Town club in a faraway land that doesn’t own it’s own ground can compete in the Premier League, even if it could get there - and the three chancers that have borrowed money off the pension fund have a smoke and mirrors business model to ‘create value’ in Phoenix and sell inflated part ownership. As far as I can see they don’t agree that this is sustainable at Phoenix - and one of them has decamped to Tucson to do things slightly differently
going backwards in the league whilst exponentially increasing costs and evicting a £12million player was not in the original PowerPoint presentation. BUT O’Leary and Ashton will have blinded them with $ signs that will fall into their saddlebags if the club can get promoted. A going nowhere second division club is more marketable and hence more valuable than a going nowhere third division club - hence the lick of paint and shiny blue seats. Sunderland have shown that it IS possible for a ‘big club’ to go up no matter how badly it is run
So why not Town. Just try not to think how badly they struggled to compete in the second division last time they were there |
Keep saying things emphatically, you can fool some of the people some of the time. You come across exactly how you tend to describe and deride Ashton. |  |
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