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No choice? Osborne and the spuds said that in 2010. It was rubbish then, just as it is now. Their catastrophic decisions and choices have left us in a worse state than the rest of the G7 and many more countries besides.
Decades of lack of investment, mishandling of the pandemic and the biggest drag of the lot, Brexit. All government choices. The Russian war hasn’t helped, but appalling government has left this country uniquely exposed to the worst effects of it. There is only one country in Europe where the lights will probably be going out this winter, other than of course Ukraine. Funny that. Nobody else smashed their economy into the wall by insane policy experiments either.
As for for their ‘we are all in it together’ stuff (Hunt yesterday), no we are not. The rich on average pay less than 10% in tax. Does anyone seriously think they will be touched by this? Of course not. The mess they have created will be paid for by ‘the plebs’. Their loathing of the public sector and services, that goes back to the creation of the welfare state, drove their economically stupid policy of austerity in 2010 and that is what will drive it now.
Despite the simpering faces of concern, they love it and can’t wait to get stuck in. Not least because they won’t be affected and just don’t care. Dreadful people.
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So you see, they don't have a choice! on 08:02 - Nov 14 with 1285 views
So you see, they don't have a choice! on 07:49 - Nov 14 by Churchman
No choice? Osborne and the spuds said that in 2010. It was rubbish then, just as it is now. Their catastrophic decisions and choices have left us in a worse state than the rest of the G7 and many more countries besides.
Decades of lack of investment, mishandling of the pandemic and the biggest drag of the lot, Brexit. All government choices. The Russian war hasn’t helped, but appalling government has left this country uniquely exposed to the worst effects of it. There is only one country in Europe where the lights will probably be going out this winter, other than of course Ukraine. Funny that. Nobody else smashed their economy into the wall by insane policy experiments either.
As for for their ‘we are all in it together’ stuff (Hunt yesterday), no we are not. The rich on average pay less than 10% in tax. Does anyone seriously think they will be touched by this? Of course not. The mess they have created will be paid for by ‘the plebs’. Their loathing of the public sector and services, that goes back to the creation of the welfare state, drove their economically stupid policy of austerity in 2010 and that is what will drive it now.
Despite the simpering faces of concern, they love it and can’t wait to get stuck in. Not least because they won’t be affected and just don’t care. Dreadful people.
So you see, they don't have a choice! on 07:49 - Nov 14 by Churchman
No choice? Osborne and the spuds said that in 2010. It was rubbish then, just as it is now. Their catastrophic decisions and choices have left us in a worse state than the rest of the G7 and many more countries besides.
Decades of lack of investment, mishandling of the pandemic and the biggest drag of the lot, Brexit. All government choices. The Russian war hasn’t helped, but appalling government has left this country uniquely exposed to the worst effects of it. There is only one country in Europe where the lights will probably be going out this winter, other than of course Ukraine. Funny that. Nobody else smashed their economy into the wall by insane policy experiments either.
As for for their ‘we are all in it together’ stuff (Hunt yesterday), no we are not. The rich on average pay less than 10% in tax. Does anyone seriously think they will be touched by this? Of course not. The mess they have created will be paid for by ‘the plebs’. Their loathing of the public sector and services, that goes back to the creation of the welfare state, drove their economically stupid policy of austerity in 2010 and that is what will drive it now.
Despite the simpering faces of concern, they love it and can’t wait to get stuck in. Not least because they won’t be affected and just don’t care. Dreadful people.
One point of accuracy - the Conservative Party did not hate the Welfare State from the outset.
It was, after all, planned out during the Churchill-led wartime National Government. By the late 1930s there was pretty much consensus among everybody that something of that sort needed to be done. The impact of the Great Depression was too obvious.
That consensus persisted throughout the '40s, '50s, '60s and into the 1970s. Successive Tory administrations did nothing to dismantle the system.
The "small state" ideology came across the Atlantic - and from some European theorists - in the last two decades of the 20th century. In some cases it was a reaction against the state totalitarianism of the Soviet Eastern Bloc, in others an expression of individualist and anti-Federalist sentiments in the USA. Plus Kelvin McKenzie taking over at The Sun.
So you see, they don't have a choice! on 09:14 - Nov 14 by Guthrum
One point of accuracy - the Conservative Party did not hate the Welfare State from the outset.
It was, after all, planned out during the Churchill-led wartime National Government. By the late 1930s there was pretty much consensus among everybody that something of that sort needed to be done. The impact of the Great Depression was too obvious.
That consensus persisted throughout the '40s, '50s, '60s and into the 1970s. Successive Tory administrations did nothing to dismantle the system.
The "small state" ideology came across the Atlantic - and from some European theorists - in the last two decades of the 20th century. In some cases it was a reaction against the state totalitarianism of the Soviet Eastern Bloc, in others an expression of individualist and anti-Federalist sentiments in the USA. Plus Kelvin McKenzie taking over at The Sun.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
So you see, they don't have a choice! on 09:14 - Nov 14 by Guthrum
One point of accuracy - the Conservative Party did not hate the Welfare State from the outset.
It was, after all, planned out during the Churchill-led wartime National Government. By the late 1930s there was pretty much consensus among everybody that something of that sort needed to be done. The impact of the Great Depression was too obvious.
That consensus persisted throughout the '40s, '50s, '60s and into the 1970s. Successive Tory administrations did nothing to dismantle the system.
The "small state" ideology came across the Atlantic - and from some European theorists - in the last two decades of the 20th century. In some cases it was a reaction against the state totalitarianism of the Soviet Eastern Bloc, in others an expression of individualist and anti-Federalist sentiments in the USA. Plus Kelvin McKenzie taking over at The Sun.
Yes, there were social reforms pledged by the tories and according to the attached article their manifesto wasn’t too far different from Labour’s
But people didn’t believe them and they were right not to. They’d never have done what Attlee’s govt did or come close to it in my view. Churchill really was an old Victorian and in peacetime was totally outmoded.
But people didn’t believe them and they were right not to. They’d never have done what Attlee’s govt did or come close to it in my view. Churchill really was an old Victorian and in peacetime was totally outmoded.
I'm not about to defend Churchill as a peacetime leader, given his performances in the 1920s (and by 1951 he was very ill, little more than a figurehead). However, it wasn't only him, but also the likes of Macmillan and Home, who were determined never to repeat the scenes of deprivation they'd witnessed in the North East and Scotland.
I very much doubt the Beveridge Report, plus the significant planning which took place thereafter, would have been binned had the Conservatives won in 1945. Too much had been promised and they knew the nation would not stand for another "country fit for heroes" betrayal.
On the Victorian note, many of them were committed to social care and reform (albeit paternalistic) - even Tories, such as Lord Shaftesbury.
So you see, they don't have a choice! on 09:45 - Nov 14 by Guthrum
I'm not about to defend Churchill as a peacetime leader, given his performances in the 1920s (and by 1951 he was very ill, little more than a figurehead). However, it wasn't only him, but also the likes of Macmillan and Home, who were determined never to repeat the scenes of deprivation they'd witnessed in the North East and Scotland.
I very much doubt the Beveridge Report, plus the significant planning which took place thereafter, would have been binned had the Conservatives won in 1945. Too much had been promised and they knew the nation would not stand for another "country fit for heroes" betrayal.
On the Victorian note, many of them were committed to social care and reform (albeit paternalistic) - even Tories, such as Lord Shaftesbury.
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