| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK 19:17 - Nov 21 with 2298 views | Lord_Lucan |
One of our dogs has just been diagnosed with kidney disease and is at stage 2.
Prognosis is uncertain, we just have to change her diet and we may get her to a ripe old age with a bit of luck, it appears that it is manageable.
So, we have put her on Hills KD and have to make sure she has plenty of fresh water.
The only thing that we can't find any product is dog treats. Poor old girl loves a biscuit for a treat but there are no manufactured off the shelf varieties available so we will make some.
The vets though are a bit wooly on this and we have conflicting advice. The plan is / was to make biscuits out of sweet potatoes or the like - so any other suitable veg suggestions would be appreciated, we are aware that grapes and onions are a no no.
Also, we have been advised to use brown rice flour but wonder if plain flower is ok in an emergency?
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| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 19:21 - Nov 21 with 2271 views | NthQldITFC |
No idea on the diet stuff, but extra belly rubs by the fire are part of a good, healthy doggy diet in the winter.
Hope you find some suitable B. I. S. C. U. I. T. s. |  |
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| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 19:30 - Nov 21 with 2237 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
What about all the various dried fish snacks?
Pet Munchies salmon bites...that sort of thing. |  |
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| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 19:34 - Nov 21 with 2212 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 19:30 - Nov 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What about all the various dried fish snacks?
Pet Munchies salmon bites...that sort of thing. |
Salt and all that sh1te.
Done a load of research and there doesn't seem to be a UK off the shelf product - I'm even thinking about going into mass production of a pack. | |
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| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 19:41 - Nov 21 with 2176 views | Keno |
I have no advice Lucs but will be thinking of you and and the doggie |  |
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| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 20:03 - Nov 21 with 2141 views | Fixed_It |
Carrots are good - dogs generally like them. Also good for their teeth if given raw. |  |
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| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 20:32 - Nov 21 with 2107 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 20:03 - Nov 21 by Fixed_It |
Carrots are good - dogs generally like them. Also good for their teeth if given raw. |
Thanks all.
We are giving her carrots and apple for treats atm but still looking to bake some biscuits. Maybe a carrot and sweet potato variety.
It's the flour I'm unsure about, whether to be able to use plain flour or does it contain significant amounts of sodium? [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 21:01]
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| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 21:45 - Nov 21 with 2040 views | TalkingBlues |
Have had many dogs over the years and we have used a lot of the KD foods in the past, I thought they used to do a biscuit to compliment the food fore the kidney problems and indeed, a quick google reveals the following:
**Edit - just clicked the Hill's link myself and it looks like they don't make them anymore, how odd!
There's still this:
https://www.storkz.com/mattiestreats-gooddewormer2019.html?currency=GBP&coun
and from a home made perspective, we used to give the dogs blueberries, which are also recommended for kidney issues. Banana is also an option, but I have never owned a dog that would touch banana, I've still no idea why to this very day, they just don't like the smell I guess? [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 21:51]
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| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 21:46 - Nov 21 with 2039 views | longtimefan |
One of our dogs was diagnosed with early onset kidney problems after blood tests. Following a couple of months of using Royal Canin Renal biscuits and Renal wet dog food tins her blood tests have shown a complete reversal. Hope you get a similar result. |  | | |
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| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 21:59 - Nov 21 with 2006 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 21:45 - Nov 21 by TalkingBlues |
Have had many dogs over the years and we have used a lot of the KD foods in the past, I thought they used to do a biscuit to compliment the food fore the kidney problems and indeed, a quick google reveals the following:
**Edit - just clicked the Hill's link myself and it looks like they don't make them anymore, how odd!
There's still this:
https://www.storkz.com/mattiestreats-gooddewormer2019.html?currency=GBP&coun
and from a home made perspective, we used to give the dogs blueberries, which are also recommended for kidney issues. Banana is also an option, but I have never owned a dog that would touch banana, I've still no idea why to this very day, they just don't like the smell I guess? [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 21:51]
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I saw these on my initial research. The first ones seem discontinued and the second ones seem only available in the US and the price is crazy
My dogs love bananas, all my dogs have, but apparently Bull Terrier's do for some reason - my current two though love bananas so much that if we feed them to them they eat each others sh1t. | |
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| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 22:10 - Nov 21 with 1979 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 21:46 - Nov 21 by longtimefan |
One of our dogs was diagnosed with early onset kidney problems after blood tests. Following a couple of months of using Royal Canin Renal biscuits and Renal wet dog food tins her blood tests have shown a complete reversal. Hope you get a similar result. |
Thanks, I'm fairly positive after taking her to the vet.
I was away when my Mrs called me and the symptoms sounded like dog dimentia, cowering, shaking etc but after a diagnoses and two days on the drip it's all hopeful now. | |
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| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 22:17 - Nov 21 with 1958 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 19:34 - Nov 21 by Lord_Lucan |
Salt and all that sh1te.
Done a load of research and there doesn't seem to be a UK off the shelf product - I'm even thinking about going into mass production of a pack. |
We have a packet in the cupboard...it says it is 100% wild salmon skins (constituents crude protein 50% oils and fat 2 crude Ash 6 moisture 25) can't see any mention of sodium. | |
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| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 22:19 - Nov 21 with 1951 views | TalkingBlues |
| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 21:59 - Nov 21 by Lord_Lucan |
I saw these on my initial research. The first ones seem discontinued and the second ones seem only available in the US and the price is crazy
My dogs love bananas, all my dogs have, but apparently Bull Terrier's do for some reason - my current two though love bananas so much that if we feed them to them they eat each others sh1t. |
Definitely don't give them banana then!! That's really weird, I owned jack russells and none of them would ever touch banana, they'd sniff it, lick it, sniff it again, then walk off with a disgusted look, lol.
I'm really surprised by the complete lack of treats for kidney issues, is it possible that vets don't actually recommend giving them treats any more, given that the diet should be very strict?
I think you've the right idea (and dare I say it, only option currently) to make your own with the sweet potato, but I'm afraid I can't help you on the flour, I used to just buy products off the shelf for my lot, which was a few years back now too.
I hope the doggie enjoys whatever you make and is comfortable. | |
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| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 22:19 - Nov 21 with 1950 views | Bluesky |
Sorry to hear of your dog's kidney problem. At stage 2 there is still plenty you can do towards your dog's length and quality of life. You are right that diet at this stage is the most powerful tool you have but if your vet recommends regular blood pressure checks and monitoring urine samples for protein/creatinine ration do please go along with their advice. If high blood pressure (hypertension) is present it will accelerate damage to all organs but can be managed nowadays with useful drugs that we didn't have at all when I qualified in the seventies. With regular monitoring you stay ahead of any deterioration. Be aware that for any kidney abnormality to show up in blood tests at all there has probably been destruction of more than 60% of total kidney tissue -- and it cannot be reversed. You have to take care of what's left.
The essence of diet management is low protein, low sodium (salt) and low phosphorus. Commercially prepared renal diets are the most reliable way of consistently providing these requirements. It is very difficult to successfully prepare such diets at home from basic foods. That said - to make treats for your dog should be straightforward if you stick to low protein (meat), low salt. There isn't much sodium in plain flour - rather more in self raising flour so avoid that. Any veggies are fine. Avoid fish as the amino acids in fish protein tend to be the more toxic to kidneys when they have to get rid of the breakdown products of protein digestion. But treats are going to be a small fraction of your dog's overall food intake per day (I hope!) so the make up of treats is less critical. Just be fun and tasty. In summary: regular sensible exercise, ever present supply of fresh water, low protein diet, avoid unnecessary drugs and supplements and get advice as soon as any sign of inappetance or increase in water intake/weeing occurs. Good luck. Do PM me if I can be of more help with anything else. |  | | |
| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 22:34 - Nov 21 with 1917 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 22:19 - Nov 21 by Bluesky |
Sorry to hear of your dog's kidney problem. At stage 2 there is still plenty you can do towards your dog's length and quality of life. You are right that diet at this stage is the most powerful tool you have but if your vet recommends regular blood pressure checks and monitoring urine samples for protein/creatinine ration do please go along with their advice. If high blood pressure (hypertension) is present it will accelerate damage to all organs but can be managed nowadays with useful drugs that we didn't have at all when I qualified in the seventies. With regular monitoring you stay ahead of any deterioration. Be aware that for any kidney abnormality to show up in blood tests at all there has probably been destruction of more than 60% of total kidney tissue -- and it cannot be reversed. You have to take care of what's left.
The essence of diet management is low protein, low sodium (salt) and low phosphorus. Commercially prepared renal diets are the most reliable way of consistently providing these requirements. It is very difficult to successfully prepare such diets at home from basic foods. That said - to make treats for your dog should be straightforward if you stick to low protein (meat), low salt. There isn't much sodium in plain flour - rather more in self raising flour so avoid that. Any veggies are fine. Avoid fish as the amino acids in fish protein tend to be the more toxic to kidneys when they have to get rid of the breakdown products of protein digestion. But treats are going to be a small fraction of your dog's overall food intake per day (I hope!) so the make up of treats is less critical. Just be fun and tasty. In summary: regular sensible exercise, ever present supply of fresh water, low protein diet, avoid unnecessary drugs and supplements and get advice as soon as any sign of inappetance or increase in water intake/weeing occurs. Good luck. Do PM me if I can be of more help with anything else. |
Thanks very much - I said to my wife that TW4TD is the place to go for re advice.
I had read about fish digestion which is why I never took Steve up on his suggestion albeit he was trying to help.
We will be going back for more tests in 10 days and we will go to as many as offered.
We are going to make some biscuits out of veg and flour - either plain or rice flower and we will try with sweet potato and carrots.
Thanks again Bluesky. Much appreciated and Top TW4TDING! | |
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| Dog kidney disease - calling TWTD vets, partners of vets and people ITK on 09:56 - Nov 22 with 1720 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Failing kidneys is a routine part of old age. The key thing is to reduce protein intake - which those overpriced and highly profitable science diets do quite effectively.
You could save money by buying ‘senior diets’ from supermarkets - basically the same stuff, but lower-priced and mixing it with cooked cabbage, sprout peelings etc. In terms of snacks/treats - again avoid protein - so carrots etc although a few biscuits will be fine. | |
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