Sunak...huff and puff 18:59 - Dec 7 with 2118 views | HARRY10 | After changing his mind on onshore windfarms, then an about turn on mandatory house building numbers this absurd little pipsqueak is threatening to bring in laws to stop health workers going on strike. What will you do there then Sunak. Sack them. I t's not as if there are thousands waiting to replace them, or there are bnot jobs of equal pay elsewhere for those at the bottom. Your days as PM are numbered, as is the days of your government. It should not take much for even the dumbest rightie/brexiter/red waller to grasp that while the rest of Europe is facing rising costs they are not seeing the huge numbers forced into taking industrial action. What are those countries doing which you bunch of crooks, failures and incompetents are not doing ? From the Financial Times "Ultra wealthy PM with non-dom wife, whose family money comes from outsourcing British jobs to India, thinks British workers should lose the right to ask for a pay increase." |  | | |  |
Sunak...huff and puff on 14:19 - Dec 8 with 1927 views | HARRY10 |
Ah yes, silly me. A baggage handlers strike by workers in Spain equates to the same level of strikes across the board in the UK. Meanwhile, back in the real world we now have another u-turn "Legislation to improve school standards and increase attendance has been dropped by ministers in the third government U-turn in a week. " And another Tory MP has had the whip withdrawn after being reported to the Met police. He joins current MPs Pincher, Warburton and Roberts on the 'naughty step. And merely reinforces the view that the Tory Parliamentary party had too many crooks and deviants, as ex MPs Paterson, Khan and Parrish demonstrate. The words 'them's our betters' ring rather hollow now, methinks. |  | |  |
Sunak...huff and puff on 17:23 - Dec 8 with 1892 views | HARRY10 | Whoops.... ther goes another one Looks like Rabb's absurd new Bill of Rights (righties ?) could be facing the chop. A piece of legislation that was intended to pander to the ignorance of fellow righties, but is way out of step with how other Western countries view such matters. Unfortunately poor Rishi will not be rewarded for ditching nonsense rightie stuff (see Truss, Brexit budget), but will get the heave ho along with the swivel eyed as well as the near normal Tory MPs. 'Tomorrow does not belong to me', it would seem |  | |  |
Sunak...huff and puff on 18:25 - Dec 8 with 1837 views | OldFart71 | I am not for striking, but have done my fair share back in the seventies. Some of which were absurd as were those within our car industry. I remember reading an article by a guy called Edwards who was put in charge of British Leyland saying that the Unions had prior to him being installed got an agreement that no searches were to take place by security on workers for 4 years and basically indicating that a huge amount of car parts were going out of the gate, not by buyers, but by workers. The whole car assembly was or had to be renegotiated if the Company decided to move a switch on the car. But current strikes are as I see it for two different reasons. Rail workers partly because of wage demands, but mainly due to staff redundances due to restructuring, this is the Company's take, but not the Unions. Nurses on the other hand is because they have only been offered 2% and pay for Public Sector workers has been on the Tories agenda since they came to power whereby pay rises have been kept to a minimum and if earning more than £23,000 no pay increase at all. |  | |  |
Sunak...huff and puff on 18:31 - Dec 8 with 1824 views | HARRY10 | I wrote "while the rest of Europe is facing rising costs they are not seeing the huge numbers forced into taking industrial action. " and rightie replies, listing one strike. Which supposedly refutes my statement. I did not claim there were not strikes. It is the huge numbers in the UK compared to lower number in EU countries. Every day (almost) there seems to be another sector taking action, whereas not in the EU. I could have pointed to "Austrian metal workers secured on Nov. 4 an annual pay rise of more than 7% on average, above the 6.3% inflation rate for the negotiating period. " or "Trade union Verdi said on Nov. 18 it had reached a wage agreement with energy company RWE for its roughly 18,000 employees that includes one-off 3,000 euro payments and an increase in salaries of at least 6% from Feb. 1." "Germany's largest trade union agreed on Nov. 18 a below-inflation pay deal in a powerhouse region, setting the benchmark for 3.9 million metal and electrical sector workers nationwide." The answer to the question I posed is, that unlike the EU countries, the UK is yet again using this as a means for political action against UK voters - as with the 1980s where low grade Polish coal was used to break a strike, costing the UK tens of millions. While I expect pig ignorant dogma from a Tory government, it is sickening to see cap doffing frighties trying to defend such action. Do they really get dividend payments. Do they have offshore bank accounts worth millions ? I suspect not, they just share the same warped mentality as collaborators in WW2. |  | |  |
Sunak...huff and puff on 18:50 - Dec 8 with 1805 views | brazil1982 |
"Over 100,000 transport workers, school teachers and medical staff marched across French cities on Tuesday after trade unions called for a mass walkout over pay, presenting President Emmanuel Macron with one of his stiffest challenges since his reelection in May." -October 2022 "Strikes are continuing in France's refineries despite hopes an agreement over pay would alleviate recent shortages at the pumps. " -October 2022 "In Greece - Ferries were idle at ports and work stoppages by public transport staff brought traffic chaos to the capital. Some flights were grounded as air traffic controllers had said they planned to join the walkout for six hours." Nov. 2022 "Thousands of Spaniards packed Madrid's landmark Plaza Mayor square on Nov. 3 to demand higher pay, in the country's first mass protest since the start of the cost of living crisis." - Nov. 2022 "Thousands of Portugal's doctors, nurses, teachers and civil servants walked off the job on Nov. 18 to demand wage increases amid rampant inflation, challenging the majority Socialist government a week before a final vote on the 2023 budget." - Nov. 2022 "On Tuesday, Belgian rail workers launched a coordinated one-day strike. The train drivers’ union also walked out on Tuesday as part of its own three-day action. On Tuesday, only one in four trains ran in Belgium, while on Wednesday and Thursday the rail network was scheduled to run at half capacity." - Nov.2022 Some examples of industrial action across Europe not just the UK. Quotes are taken from various sources including AP and Reuters, for the demanding among us. |  | |  |
Sunak...huff and puff on 21:23 - Dec 8 with 1734 views | HARRY10 | Perhaps you missed this bit, which to confuse you ........I posted "I did not claim there were not strikes. It is the huge numbers in the UK compared to lower number in EU countries." Sadly your desperate effort to defend your betters was rather wasted, as the idea of a counterargument is not to put up evidence that backs the other side. |  | |  | Login to get fewer ads
Sunak...huff and puff on 21:32 - Dec 8 with 1710 views | Oldsmoker |
Sunak...huff and puff on 18:25 - Dec 8 by OldFart71 | I am not for striking, but have done my fair share back in the seventies. Some of which were absurd as were those within our car industry. I remember reading an article by a guy called Edwards who was put in charge of British Leyland saying that the Unions had prior to him being installed got an agreement that no searches were to take place by security on workers for 4 years and basically indicating that a huge amount of car parts were going out of the gate, not by buyers, but by workers. The whole car assembly was or had to be renegotiated if the Company decided to move a switch on the car. But current strikes are as I see it for two different reasons. Rail workers partly because of wage demands, but mainly due to staff redundances due to restructuring, this is the Company's take, but not the Unions. Nurses on the other hand is because they have only been offered 2% and pay for Public Sector workers has been on the Tories agenda since they came to power whereby pay rises have been kept to a minimum and if earning more than £23,000 no pay increase at all. |
Perhaps this is an urban myth. It is said that houses near to British Leyland Car Plants had their internal walls painted in BL beige. It was the wrong type of paint (not emulsion) but who cared - it was free. |  |
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Sunak...huff and puff on 22:14 - Dec 8 with 1665 views | HARRY10 |
Sunak...huff and puff on 21:32 - Dec 8 by Oldsmoker | Perhaps this is an urban myth. It is said that houses near to British Leyland Car Plants had their internal walls painted in BL beige. It was the wrong type of paint (not emulsion) but who cared - it was free. |
It is. Even a cursory glance at such worthless guff makes you wonder why rightes believe that normal folk will swallow such twaddle,even though they do. One one the major actions Edwards took was to sack much of the management - the cause of most of the friction. BL was a miss match of numerous failing companies that were suffering from lack of funds, and direction. As had happened to the once successful UK motorbike industry. Stoppages dropped off, and the company was able to bring out the highly successful metro. It is said that the victors tell the story. Whereas outside of war it is who owns the media that tell the story. Sadly we are once again witnessing the failure of investment. The consequences of 'austerity'. Privatisation, where the money goes to shareholders, not on running the service. How much social housing (nurses homes) has been flogged off. Council house that were quickly churned, so private equity companies now own them and rent them back to London councils at twice the price of equivalent rents. it is only now that things are hitting voters hard that they are waking up. It ain't fear, nor is it not never" But it was fair when it was OK for them. Because the Tories had not got round to them (yet), the looming problems were not their concern. In fact they vilified those pointing it out, and fighting back. Their 'betters' must laugh their t its off at the stupidity of red wall/brexiter Tories. Voting for a system that would allow for cuts to their wages, work conditions and work benefits.... because brexit would send all those naughty foreigners home. |  | |  |
Sunak...huff and puff on 10:27 - Dec 9 with 1529 views | brazil1982 |
Sunak...huff and puff on 21:23 - Dec 8 by HARRY10 | Perhaps you missed this bit, which to confuse you ........I posted "I did not claim there were not strikes. It is the huge numbers in the UK compared to lower number in EU countries." Sadly your desperate effort to defend your betters was rather wasted, as the idea of a counterargument is not to put up evidence that backs the other side. |
"Italy faces major disruption to public transport as well as schools, health services, logistics and rubbish collection on Friday 2 December due to a 24-hour national general strike." French unions are calling for a general strike. "Around 5,000 primary care doctors and paediatricians in the Spanish capital Madrid continue their indefinite strike, begun November 21, demanding maximum ratios of patients to staff." - significant numbers for one city. Open-ended teachers' strike called for in December in Portugal. You enjoy painting the UK as a terrible place to live. There are significant strikes around Europe and the rest of the world, it's just that the ill informed, like yourself, cannot be bothered to learn about them and apart from the traditional French strikes, our media rarely covers them. |  | |  |
Sunak...huff and puff on 13:56 - Dec 9 with 1451 views | HARRY10 |
Sunak...huff and puff on 10:27 - Dec 9 by brazil1982 | "Italy faces major disruption to public transport as well as schools, health services, logistics and rubbish collection on Friday 2 December due to a 24-hour national general strike." French unions are calling for a general strike. "Around 5,000 primary care doctors and paediatricians in the Spanish capital Madrid continue their indefinite strike, begun November 21, demanding maximum ratios of patients to staff." - significant numbers for one city. Open-ended teachers' strike called for in December in Portugal. You enjoy painting the UK as a terrible place to live. There are significant strikes around Europe and the rest of the world, it's just that the ill informed, like yourself, cannot be bothered to learn about them and apart from the traditional French strikes, our media rarely covers them. |
Whereas you enjoy making up stuff that I never said. as "You enjoy painting the UK as a terrible place to live." Perhaps if I comment on the weather I will get you bleating that I am painting the UK as a terrible place to live. However I am sure you can quote where I said that, or similar, And as above I stated that there is strike action in the EU (the third time of posting might, I say might, just sink in). What is significant, and backed by you two righties, is that it is nowhere near as widespread as in the UK. You whine that I 'cannot be bothered to learn about them' yet go on to say 'our media rarely covers them. So do enlighten us as to your source, and why your examples actually serve to back my statement, rather than being examples of all these others that supposedly exist. The government was able to settle the barristers strike, very quickly and at a far higher rate than is being asked by others currently. 15%, which is way above the rate of inflation. A pay rise it would seem. Perhaps the government sees those as being 'worthy'. I can only hop, for your sake, that if the Amalgamated Union of Cap Doffers and Forelock Tuggers see fit to seek a pay rise the government is similarly minded - though I suspect not. Useful idiots are never more than that. Useful idiots. |  | |  |
Sunak...huff and puff on 14:40 - Dec 9 with 1434 views | HARRY10 | Surely, no Tory government would interfere in pay negotiations for their own political ends ? Well those two notorious left wing rags, The FT and the Daily Telegraph have "Jeremy Hunt, the chancellor, has refused to quash claims that the Treasury vetoed a pay offer that may have led to a resolution of the rail strike. Last month the Daily Telegraph claimed that the Department for Transport wanted to offer rail workers a rise worth between 8% and 9% over two year, but that it was prevented from doing so by the Treasury. At the Financial Times’ Global Boardroom webinar, Hunt was asked if the Treasury had blocked a pay rise of around 10% for rail workers. " |  | |  |
Sunak...huff and puff on 17:00 - Dec 9 with 1404 views | brazil1982 |
Sunak...huff and puff on 13:56 - Dec 9 by HARRY10 | Whereas you enjoy making up stuff that I never said. as "You enjoy painting the UK as a terrible place to live." Perhaps if I comment on the weather I will get you bleating that I am painting the UK as a terrible place to live. However I am sure you can quote where I said that, or similar, And as above I stated that there is strike action in the EU (the third time of posting might, I say might, just sink in). What is significant, and backed by you two righties, is that it is nowhere near as widespread as in the UK. You whine that I 'cannot be bothered to learn about them' yet go on to say 'our media rarely covers them. So do enlighten us as to your source, and why your examples actually serve to back my statement, rather than being examples of all these others that supposedly exist. The government was able to settle the barristers strike, very quickly and at a far higher rate than is being asked by others currently. 15%, which is way above the rate of inflation. A pay rise it would seem. Perhaps the government sees those as being 'worthy'. I can only hop, for your sake, that if the Amalgamated Union of Cap Doffers and Forelock Tuggers see fit to seek a pay rise the government is similarly minded - though I suspect not. Useful idiots are never more than that. Useful idiots. |
You dont think a general strike in Italy is significant ? Not as widespread? You need to read more about industrial action in Spain, Italy, France and the Netherlands. Large numbers of care workers striking in Cartalonia. Huge numbers of vocational teachers taking action in France. Fuel shortages in the Netherlands and France. Shop workers proposing strike action in Spain. German dock workers were out in the summer. German offices now deemed dangerous to health as heating is turned off ( the Ludwinsburg Bank have bought their office workers winter coats for the office). I'd say that's rather widespread |  | |  |
Sunak...huff and puff on 17:47 - Dec 9 with 1381 views | HARRY10 |
Sunak...huff and puff on 17:00 - Dec 9 by brazil1982 | You dont think a general strike in Italy is significant ? Not as widespread? You need to read more about industrial action in Spain, Italy, France and the Netherlands. Large numbers of care workers striking in Cartalonia. Huge numbers of vocational teachers taking action in France. Fuel shortages in the Netherlands and France. Shop workers proposing strike action in Spain. German dock workers were out in the summer. German offices now deemed dangerous to health as heating is turned off ( the Ludwinsburg Bank have bought their office workers winter coats for the office). I'd say that's rather widespread |
You are merely compounding your previous idiocy. These strikes are in one section in each country, whereas in the UK it is right across the board. " German dock workers were out in the summer." The summer ? It is clear you have little idea of what you are spouting (typical rightie) as this link demonstrates. It was settled 3 and a half months ago https://maritime-executive.com/article/german-ports-and-workers-agree-to-terms-t Your master 'knows best bleat' comes across as todays Parrot Sketch. Desperate attempts to prove your 'betters' are not at fault. "Fuel shortages in the Netherlands and France" or ' PARIS, Nov 3 (Reuters) - Supply at French petrol stations is returning to normal https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/french-energy-minister-says-fuel-supply- ]care workers striking in Cartalonia. That was last June, and it was (ironically) a strike against proposed measures to privatise the Care System "Huge numbers of vocational teachers taking action in France." 'Teachers in France’s vocational high schools joined a one-day national strike on Thursday, opposing a government “reform” which doubles the amount of time students spend working on placements in companies.' https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/11/17/tmnv-n17.html So, you offer up a small number og examples, of which they are either not cost of living based, or have already been settled. Which merely backs my point.... yet again. Why are EU countries avoiding industrial action whereas the UK seems to be embracing it ? Could it be that the government are trying to use this as a political tool, as stated by the Daily Telegraph. The inherent conflict between wage labour and capital will result in industrial action, at times. That's the nature of the beast. It has nothing to do with the point made, though. As stated, and backed by Hunt, the UK government is provoking industrial action for political reasons. That, and your obvious ignorance, are clear reasons why the country is currently in such a mess. |  | |  |
Sunak...huff and puff on 18:39 - Dec 9 with 1355 views | brazil1982 |
Sunak...huff and puff on 17:47 - Dec 9 by HARRY10 | You are merely compounding your previous idiocy. These strikes are in one section in each country, whereas in the UK it is right across the board. " German dock workers were out in the summer." The summer ? It is clear you have little idea of what you are spouting (typical rightie) as this link demonstrates. It was settled 3 and a half months ago https://maritime-executive.com/article/german-ports-and-workers-agree-to-terms-t Your master 'knows best bleat' comes across as todays Parrot Sketch. Desperate attempts to prove your 'betters' are not at fault. "Fuel shortages in the Netherlands and France" or ' PARIS, Nov 3 (Reuters) - Supply at French petrol stations is returning to normal https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/french-energy-minister-says-fuel-supply- ]care workers striking in Cartalonia. That was last June, and it was (ironically) a strike against proposed measures to privatise the Care System "Huge numbers of vocational teachers taking action in France." 'Teachers in France’s vocational high schools joined a one-day national strike on Thursday, opposing a government “reform” which doubles the amount of time students spend working on placements in companies.' https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/11/17/tmnv-n17.html So, you offer up a small number og examples, of which they are either not cost of living based, or have already been settled. Which merely backs my point.... yet again. Why are EU countries avoiding industrial action whereas the UK seems to be embracing it ? Could it be that the government are trying to use this as a political tool, as stated by the Daily Telegraph. The inherent conflict between wage labour and capital will result in industrial action, at times. That's the nature of the beast. It has nothing to do with the point made, though. As stated, and backed by Hunt, the UK government is provoking industrial action for political reasons. That, and your obvious ignorance, are clear reasons why the country is currently in such a mess. |
"EU countries avoiding industrial action" Clearly not with general strikes in Italy and Greece and strike action across Spain, Portugal and The Netherlands. Strike action hitting French rail this month. You're making statements which, once again, show your complete ignorance of the subject. Read the press of those countries, if you have the knowledge of foreign languages which I doubt as your English isn't the best is it. |  | |  |
Sunak...huff and puff on 19:05 - Dec 9 with 1342 views | HARRY10 |
Sunak...huff and puff on 18:39 - Dec 9 by brazil1982 | "EU countries avoiding industrial action" Clearly not with general strikes in Italy and Greece and strike action across Spain, Portugal and The Netherlands. Strike action hitting French rail this month. You're making statements which, once again, show your complete ignorance of the subject. Read the press of those countries, if you have the knowledge of foreign languages which I doubt as your English isn't the best is it. |
You are just making up stuff, again. |  | |  |
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