| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy 13:16 - Oct 18 with 2968 views | BondiBlue |
But Egypt are refusing to let palestinians cross the border. That's pretty cold. |  |
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| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 13:41 - Oct 18 with 2892 views | Swansea_Blue |
It’s very cold. It’s likely we’d do the same though based on where we are at. Although, in fairness, we’d eventually put in place a scheme, much as we did for Ukraine or Hong Kong. I very much doubt we’d have an open door policy at the start of a crisis. All of our exceptions are through these specific schemes. |  |
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| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 13:50 - Oct 18 with 2868 views | Blueschev |
| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 13:41 - Oct 18 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s very cold. It’s likely we’d do the same though based on where we are at. Although, in fairness, we’d eventually put in place a scheme, much as we did for Ukraine or Hong Kong. I very much doubt we’d have an open door policy at the start of a crisis. All of our exceptions are through these specific schemes. |
"Those Palestinians trying to illegally enter the Sinai should seek legal means in which to claim asylum in Egypt." |  | | |
| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 13:56 - Oct 18 with 2846 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 13:50 - Oct 18 by Blueschev |
"Those Palestinians trying to illegally enter the Sinai should seek legal means in which to claim asylum in Egypt." |
Quite.
We’d have a very strong vibe along the lines of ‘Please present your application form at your local consulate and you will be informed of our decision with 60 days’. | |
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| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 14:02 - Oct 18 with 2809 views | GlasgowBlue |
Incoming tweet of outrage from our Captain? |  |
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| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 14:13 - Oct 18 with 2779 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 14:02 - Oct 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Incoming tweet of outrage from our Captain? |
He’ll have insights to offer at least, having escaped that other well known hell hole of Wolverhampton!  | |
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| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 14:14 - Oct 18 with 2774 views | baxterbasics |
They'd always have the small boats to fall back on. Imagine the Faragian outrage at 1000s of Palestinians rocking up near Dover every day (each one a potential terrorist of course)
You'd soon have the government proposing all kinds of draconian measures, whilst actually doing absolutely nothing. |  |
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| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 20:39 - Oct 18 with 2581 views | WeWereZombies |
I read this Guardian article after I looked up the latest news (thanks to Stokie putting the opening paragraph on the 'Why does America back Israel' thread) and I think this may give some context to what I also saw as a puzzling decision:
'The Egyptian president, Abdel Fatah al-Sisi, issued a warning that he could unleash protests inside Egypt if Israel did not back down.
He again said Israel was seeking to expel Palestinians over the Gaza southern border into the Sinai peninsula and said to Israel: “The Negev Desert [about 4,500 sq miles of land in southern Israel] is before you if you want to displace Palestinian citizens, but not Sinai, and then Sinai will not become a base to attack you and for you to use it as an excuse to attack Egypt.”
He has been demanding Israel allow aid into Gaza through the Rafah crossing into Egypt, but only with US-backed Israeli assurances that Israel will not attack the convoys. Israel fears the convoys will contain ammunition for Hamas, a central issue in the talks between Israel and the US secretary of state, Antony Blinken.'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/18/us-vetoes-un-call-for-humanitarian |  |
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| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 21:10 - Oct 18 with 2537 views | Pinewoodblue |
It has been dificult for a long ime they limit the numbers on a daily basis. |  |
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| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 21:48 - Oct 18 with 2479 views | BloomBlue |
Isn't there also some history with a connection between the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas?
I thought Egypt has concerns about Hamas fighters using an 'open' route to come into Egypt and causing issues, I'm guessing working closely with the MB.
Although given Hamas doesn't have trouble getting equipment into Gaza for missiles, I'm sure they can already get fighters easily into Egypt. |  | | |
| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 03:22 - Oct 19 with 2354 views | acj |
At first glance it does seem very cold.
I think the guardian article WeWereZombies has linked adds some important context. I also read an interesting piece the other day which suggested several neighbouring Arab states (the king of Jordan was quoted a lot in the article) are opposed to the resettling of Palestinian refugees in their states, because they see it as one of Israel’s goals to move these people out of Gaza and depopulate the strip, and those states do not want to be complicit in moving a whole new generation of Palestinians off of Palestinian lands. [Post edited 19 Oct 2023 3:23]
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| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 07:27 - Oct 19 with 2271 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 03:22 - Oct 19 by acj |
At first glance it does seem very cold.
I think the guardian article WeWereZombies has linked adds some important context. I also read an interesting piece the other day which suggested several neighbouring Arab states (the king of Jordan was quoted a lot in the article) are opposed to the resettling of Palestinian refugees in their states, because they see it as one of Israel’s goals to move these people out of Gaza and depopulate the strip, and those states do not want to be complicit in moving a whole new generation of Palestinians off of Palestinian lands. [Post edited 19 Oct 2023 3:23]
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Israel’s foreign minister, Eli Cohen, hinted that Israel may annex part of Gaza in a radio interview on Wednesday.
Cohen was reported by the Times of Israel as saying:
At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, but the territory of Gaza will also decrease. |  |
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| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 09:23 - Oct 19 with 2188 views | WeWereZombies |
| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 07:27 - Oct 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Israel’s foreign minister, Eli Cohen, hinted that Israel may annex part of Gaza in a radio interview on Wednesday.
Cohen was reported by the Times of Israel as saying:
At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, but the territory of Gaza will also decrease. |
Again, as I did for Stokie on the 'Why does America support Israel' thread, I feel the need to provide a link to verify your post:
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/10/17/israeli-minister-losing-la
'A newly appointed minister in Israel’s emergency cabinet says Gaza must be smaller by the end of the war because losing land is the price ‘Arabs understand’.' | |
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| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 09:29 - Oct 19 with 2183 views | Blueschev |
| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 07:27 - Oct 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Israel’s foreign minister, Eli Cohen, hinted that Israel may annex part of Gaza in a radio interview on Wednesday.
Cohen was reported by the Times of Israel as saying:
At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, but the territory of Gaza will also decrease. |
There is a demographic time bomb is Israel and the occupied territories that the Israeli's are struggling to address. Permanently displacing the bulk of the population of Gaza would go some way to addressing the issue. | | | |
| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 09:33 - Oct 19 with 2163 views | WeWereZombies |
| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 09:29 - Oct 19 by Blueschev |
There is a demographic time bomb is Israel and the occupied territories that the Israeli's are struggling to address. Permanently displacing the bulk of the population of Gaza would go some way to addressing the issue. |
And there isn't a demographic time bomb in Palestine ? | |
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| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 09:42 - Oct 19 with 2133 views | Pinewoodblue |
Israel's current president, Benjamin Netanyahu, was quoted by the country's national broadcaster in June as saying Palestinian hopes of a sovereign state "must be eliminated". | |
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| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 09:43 - Oct 19 with 2124 views | Blueschev |
| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 09:33 - Oct 19 by WeWereZombies |
And there isn't a demographic time bomb in Palestine ? |
Just to clarify my point, there is a demographic time bomb in the entire land of Israel / Palestine insomuch that the Arab population will soon outnumber the Jewish population. | | | |
| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 15:00 - Oct 19 with 2033 views | JackNorthStand |
Assuming this is because they want to protect their people and not potentially let Hamas in as part of the innocents seeking safety.
This situation is awful. | | | |
| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 16:26 - Oct 19 with 1963 views | acj |
| Say what you like about the UK's immigration policy on 03:22 - Oct 19 by acj |
At first glance it does seem very cold.
I think the guardian article WeWereZombies has linked adds some important context. I also read an interesting piece the other day which suggested several neighbouring Arab states (the king of Jordan was quoted a lot in the article) are opposed to the resettling of Palestinian refugees in their states, because they see it as one of Israel’s goals to move these people out of Gaza and depopulate the strip, and those states do not want to be complicit in moving a whole new generation of Palestinians off of Palestinian lands. [Post edited 19 Oct 2023 3:23]
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Was planning to drop a link to this last night but never got round to it.
This is the article I was referring to:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/king-abdullah-gaza-no-refugees-jordan- | |
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