| Horseshoe Theory in Action? 22:45 - Jun 23 with 2240 views | Kievthegreat |
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| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 22:53 - Jun 23 with 2158 views | Mercian |
Corbyn and Farage are a great example of horseshoe theory. Both are pro Russia for very different reasons. Anti Ukraine for very different reasons, Anti NATO for very different reasons. Their foreign policies are very similar. [Post edited 23 Jun 2024 22:55]
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| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 23:09 - Jun 23 with 2097 views | BlueBadger |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 22:53 - Jun 23 by Mercian |
Corbyn and Farage are a great example of horseshoe theory. Both are pro Russia for very different reasons. Anti Ukraine for very different reasons, Anti NATO for very different reasons. Their foreign policies are very similar. [Post edited 23 Jun 2024 22:55]
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Farage is pro-Russian because they're funding him. Corbyn is pro-Russia because he's an idiot. |  |
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| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 23:13 - Jun 23 with 2069 views | Kievthegreat |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 23:09 - Jun 23 by BlueBadger |
Farage is pro-Russian because they're funding him. Corbyn is pro-Russia because he's an idiot. |
Pretty much. There are some on the left who cannot comprehend some one besides the US being the aggressor in international affairs. No matter who many bombs Putin drops on cities. | | | |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 23:34 - Jun 23 with 2010 views | Mercian |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 23:09 - Jun 23 by BlueBadger |
Farage is pro-Russian because they're funding him. Corbyn is pro-Russia because he's an idiot. |
Corbyn also is pro Russia because they get into bed with communists. He is also the reason that I am now a centrist. I was never red but was pink until he came along. Thanks for making me see sense Jeremy. [Post edited 23 Jun 2024 23:37]
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| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 23:51 - Jun 23 with 1949 views | Mercian |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 23:13 - Jun 23 by Kievthegreat |
Pretty much. There are some on the left who cannot comprehend some one besides the US being the aggressor in international affairs. No matter who many bombs Putin drops on cities. |
There are many on the far right particularly in The US that are pro Russia (leaving the issue of Trump and Putin being bed fellows aside) because they are terrified of The EU because it poses a real danger to America's dominance. They insist The Nazi's were far left and believe it or not liberals because they had the world socialist in their party name and are pro Zionist. They insist that every single Ukrainian is a Nazi as The Azov Battalion of a few hundred soldiers have Nazi sympathies. Therefore anyone who fights against the Ukraine is a freedom fighter including The Wagner Group whose mercenaries are covered in swastika and SS rune tattoos. They are bunch of total masturbaters. [Post edited 23 Jun 2024 23:54]
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| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 23:56 - Jun 23 with 1940 views | bournemouthblue |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 23:34 - Jun 23 by Mercian |
Corbyn also is pro Russia because they get into bed with communists. He is also the reason that I am now a centrist. I was never red but was pink until he came along. Thanks for making me see sense Jeremy. [Post edited 23 Jun 2024 23:37]
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what is the evidence Corbyn was 'Pro-Russia', he was far stronger and vocal about Russian money coming into the UK than the Tories ever were?
The Tories have got away quite lightly on Russia connections frankly |  |
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| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 06:31 - Jun 24 with 1730 views | Wacko |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 23:56 - Jun 23 by bournemouthblue |
what is the evidence Corbyn was 'Pro-Russia', he was far stronger and vocal about Russian money coming into the UK than the Tories ever were?
The Tories have got away quite lightly on Russia connections frankly |
There isn’t. People who think they have independent thought can still so easily be brainwashed by propaganda. Here’s a good article by the excellent Peter Oborne: https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-jeremy-corbyn-right-put
Corbyn’s policies were no more left than the Social Democrats in Denmark and Germany (and perhaps others that I’m not familiar with) |  |
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| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 07:09 - Jun 24 with 1666 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 23:51 - Jun 23 by Mercian |
There are many on the far right particularly in The US that are pro Russia (leaving the issue of Trump and Putin being bed fellows aside) because they are terrified of The EU because it poses a real danger to America's dominance. They insist The Nazi's were far left and believe it or not liberals because they had the world socialist in their party name and are pro Zionist. They insist that every single Ukrainian is a Nazi as The Azov Battalion of a few hundred soldiers have Nazi sympathies. Therefore anyone who fights against the Ukraine is a freedom fighter including The Wagner Group whose mercenaries are covered in swastika and SS rune tattoos. They are bunch of total masturbaters. [Post edited 23 Jun 2024 23:54]
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Are you sure...
'They insist The Nazi's were far left and believe it or not liberals because they had the world socialist in their party name and are pro Zionist. They insist that every single Ukrainian is a Nazi as The Azov Battalion of a few hundred soldiers have Nazi sympathies. Therefore anyone who fights against the Ukraine is a freedom fighter including The Wagner Group whose mercenaries are covered in swastika and SS rune tattoos. They are bunch of total masturbaters.'
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| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 07:26 - Jun 24 with 1608 views | EddyJ |
Horseshoe theory only works if you judge every political party against a single left-right axis, which is horribly simplistic and doesn't accurately model political beliefs.
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Nazis / fascists are more like centrists with extreme nationalistic beliefs.
Centrists because they were pro-labour union, anti-individualism, anti-free market but rejected the class conflict of socialism.
Extreme nationalist for obivous reasons. This is the defining part of their identity, but is inherently not related to either the left or right wing. [Post edited 24 Jun 2024 7:27]
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| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 07:38 - Jun 24 with 1570 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Putin has done more to promote NATO membership, than any NATO countries could have ever done.
There were some on the harder end of the political spectrum on here who’s first reaction to the invasion of Ukraine was ‘but NATO’, rather than ‘those poor civilians being shelled by Russia’. For the harder left it’s anyone who opposes the West, no matter how murderous and bloodthirsty (see Galloway shilling for Assad). For those on the right, the appeal of Putin is a modern day fascist (usually coded as ‘a strong leader’). | | | |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 07:49 - Jun 24 with 1530 views | bournemouthblue |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 07:26 - Jun 24 by EddyJ |
Horseshoe theory only works if you judge every political party against a single left-right axis, which is horribly simplistic and doesn't accurately model political beliefs.
For example:
Nazis / fascists are more like centrists with extreme nationalistic beliefs.
Centrists because they were pro-labour union, anti-individualism, anti-free market but rejected the class conflict of socialism.
Extreme nationalist for obivous reasons. This is the defining part of their identity, but is inherently not related to either the left or right wing. [Post edited 24 Jun 2024 7:27]
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They had socialist beliefs to workers provided you weren't gay, black, Jewish, disabled, communist etc etc but that would go against socialist ideas for obvious reasons, lacking the whole equality element
They were populist in the same way Farage is [Post edited 24 Jun 2024 7:50]
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| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 07:57 - Jun 24 with 1492 views | bournemouthblue |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 07:38 - Jun 24 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Putin has done more to promote NATO membership, than any NATO countries could have ever done.
There were some on the harder end of the political spectrum on here who’s first reaction to the invasion of Ukraine was ‘but NATO’, rather than ‘those poor civilians being shelled by Russia’. For the harder left it’s anyone who opposes the West, no matter how murderous and bloodthirsty (see Galloway shilling for Assad). For those on the right, the appeal of Putin is a modern day fascist (usually coded as ‘a strong leader’). |
Generally the more extreme left aren't overly keen on war in general but I wouldn't say they'll tend to side on any particular group unless great unjustice is being shown
The lefties who disagree with NATO will see it essentially as the Trident Deterrent and don't like the idea of Nuclear bombs, mutually assured destruction etc etc
It's a little bit naive to assume we would be safe without NATO though, as the Ukraine has learned by not being a member
Perhaps their most fatal mistake was giving up their Nuclear weapons in the 90's | |
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| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 08:42 - Jun 24 with 1432 views | Mercian |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 07:09 - Jun 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Are you sure...
'They insist The Nazi's were far left and believe it or not liberals because they had the world socialist in their party name and are pro Zionist. They insist that every single Ukrainian is a Nazi as The Azov Battalion of a few hundred soldiers have Nazi sympathies. Therefore anyone who fights against the Ukraine is a freedom fighter including The Wagner Group whose mercenaries are covered in swastika and SS rune tattoos. They are bunch of total masturbaters.'
Where have you been hanging out to find these people? |
https://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
This is a website run by a well known far right American called Andrew Schlafly. His mother, Phyllis, was (in)famous for rallying against women's rights in the 1960s. Trump went to her funeral when he was president. The website no longer loads or updates correctly as he is a lawyer who has never won a lawsuit and his mum's inheritance run out so he is skint. It was first a fundy Christian site until the rise of Trump when it went full on fascist. These days it is just a pro Putin propaganda sheet. Schalfly used to post headlines such as "Setback for The Homosexual Agenda, Brunei introduces the stoning of gays" and later "Brunei caves to the liberal agenda by abolishing the law before any sinners were executed" Now it's more along the lines of "As Ukrainian children will all grow up to be Nazis it is justified to kill them."
He is very extreme but he is by now means alone. There are people who have his views that are members of congress. The most prominent being the horrific woman who makes Braverman seem like an angel called Marjorie Taylor-Greene . Among other horrors she has openly called for the execution of Dr Fauci without trial who the American far right detest. [Post edited 24 Jun 2024 8:45]
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| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 10:03 - Jun 24 with 1324 views | Kievthegreat |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 23:56 - Jun 23 by bournemouthblue |
what is the evidence Corbyn was 'Pro-Russia', he was far stronger and vocal about Russian money coming into the UK than the Tories ever were?
The Tories have got away quite lightly on Russia connections frankly |
I'd more broadly categorise Corbyn as just Anti-NATO/Anti-US and I think that is his motivation. However the issue is in regards to Ukraine he aligns closer to Russia and it's talking points.
Russian money however is something that has been brushed under the rug. I'd like to hope Starmer will bring all the Russian money and it's influence to light, but I also suspect it's more expedient to leave in the past (never go after each others dodgy donors as it's a fight where politics as a whole loses). | | | |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 10:11 - Jun 24 with 1304 views | bournemouthblue |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 10:03 - Jun 24 by Kievthegreat |
I'd more broadly categorise Corbyn as just Anti-NATO/Anti-US and I think that is his motivation. However the issue is in regards to Ukraine he aligns closer to Russia and it's talking points.
Russian money however is something that has been brushed under the rug. I'd like to hope Starmer will bring all the Russian money and it's influence to light, but I also suspect it's more expedient to leave in the past (never go after each others dodgy donors as it's a fight where politics as a whole loses). |
Who knows, the media were a very soft touch on the Russian links for the Tories and particularly Aaron Banks and UKIP
If Corbyn had met a Russian representative off the books, all hell would have broken loose | |
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| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 10:13 - Jun 24 with 1285 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Horseshoe Theory in Action? on 10:03 - Jun 24 by Kievthegreat |
I'd more broadly categorise Corbyn as just Anti-NATO/Anti-US and I think that is his motivation. However the issue is in regards to Ukraine he aligns closer to Russia and it's talking points.
Russian money however is something that has been brushed under the rug. I'd like to hope Starmer will bring all the Russian money and it's influence to light, but I also suspect it's more expedient to leave in the past (never go after each others dodgy donors as it's a fight where politics as a whole loses). |
Corbyn was quite happy to defend any anti-western regime, no matter how violent or oppressive.
He was just as willing to overlook human rights violations as any other politician. The idea he was well-principled is laughable. Whether that was being paid by the Iranian regime to go on their anti-Semitic propaganda tv station, or praising the socialism of Venezuela which has led to the biggest refugee crisis in the world (7m+ refugees). In fact, whilst the Venezuelan regime were violently beating hungry protesters for the audacity to want democracy, Saint Jeremy went full Trump and condemned the ‘violence on both sides’.
With regards to Russia, it was his Sh1t-witted response to Salisbury where he questioned whether it was Russia, who used a well known Russian made nerve agent, on some Russian dissidents. [Post edited 24 Jun 2024 10:15]
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