| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 12:41 - Jul 25 with 2365 views | GlasgowBlue |
Politician standing to be leader of his political party in "trying to appeal to the opposite wing of his party" shocker!!!
I understand that Sir Keir Starmer even managed to fool Labour members that he was left wing with his election pledges in 2021. |  |
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 12:47 - Jul 25 with 2342 views | DJR |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 12:41 - Jul 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Politician standing to be leader of his political party in "trying to appeal to the opposite wing of his party" shocker!!!
I understand that Sir Keir Starmer even managed to fool Labour members that he was left wing with his election pledges in 2021. |
That's a very fair point.
I suppose I just have a particular interest in Tugendhat who I have seen since his first hustings in 2015. He strikes me as being vacuous and unprincipled but a lot of people seem to fall for his charms.
Were it me, I'd go for Cleverly or Stride, but they probably don't stand a chance. [Post edited 25 Jul 2024 12:49]
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 12:50 - Jul 25 with 2306 views | GlasgowBlue |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 12:47 - Jul 25 by DJR |
That's a very fair point.
I suppose I just have a particular interest in Tugendhat who I have seen since his first hustings in 2015. He strikes me as being vacuous and unprincipled but a lot of people seem to fall for his charms.
Were it me, I'd go for Cleverly or Stride, but they probably don't stand a chance. [Post edited 25 Jul 2024 12:49]
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Apparently he is the one that Starmer fears the most. | |
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 13:06 - Jul 25 with 2241 views | Devereuxxx |
Presumably he's made a tactical choice that in order to get the attention of the cranks who make up the party membership, he needs to throw them some chicken feed early on.
It's really an indictment of how party leaders are elected nowadays. It's the same with Labour. The party membership is made up of those on the political extremes which then translates into unelectable leaders. This lot last voted for Liz Truss and Boris Johnson for goodness sake (when faced with actual choice, Sunak doesn't count).
Starmer has shown that the playbook is to appeal to the radical fringes and then lurch to the centre. It's actually a sensible move from Tugenhat, and probably a promise he never intends to fulfil. |  | | |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 13:45 - Jul 25 with 2126 views | DJR |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 12:50 - Jul 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Apparently he is the one that Starmer fears the most. |
Take it from me, Starmer has nothing to fear.
Tugendhat was interviewed on Sky News just before the election and made a complete fool of himself. And his interview on the Today programme today was full of platitudes.
The issue it seems to me is that he has a military background but no political background or nous. When interviewed not long after he was elected, he was asked what his great political idea was, and he came up with the wider share ownership that Mrs Thatcher encouraged which struck me as being bizarre. [Post edited 25 Jul 2024 14:48]
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 14:06 - Jul 25 with 2085 views | BlueBadger |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 12:47 - Jul 25 by DJR |
That's a very fair point.
I suppose I just have a particular interest in Tugendhat who I have seen since his first hustings in 2015. He strikes me as being vacuous and unprincipled but a lot of people seem to fall for his charms.
Were it me, I'd go for Cleverly or Stride, but they probably don't stand a chance. [Post edited 25 Jul 2024 12:49]
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'Not Very' would be hilarious to see, the man's a hopeless dimwit.
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 14:14 - Jul 25 with 2071 views | BlueBadger |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 13:06 - Jul 25 by Devereuxxx |
Presumably he's made a tactical choice that in order to get the attention of the cranks who make up the party membership, he needs to throw them some chicken feed early on.
It's really an indictment of how party leaders are elected nowadays. It's the same with Labour. The party membership is made up of those on the political extremes which then translates into unelectable leaders. This lot last voted for Liz Truss and Boris Johnson for goodness sake (when faced with actual choice, Sunak doesn't count).
Starmer has shown that the playbook is to appeal to the radical fringes and then lurch to the centre. It's actually a sensible move from Tugenhat, and probably a promise he never intends to fulfil. |
Unfortunately for Tugendhat, the lunatic fringe is more like an entire wig. | |
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 14:18 - Jul 25 with 2060 views | Devereuxxx |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 14:14 - Jul 25 by BlueBadger |
Unfortunately for Tugendhat, the lunatic fringe is more like an entire wig. |
It's going to be a battle to see who can say the most outrageous and borderline problematic stuff, which the membership will lap up.
Interesting to see that Braverman is most likely to take this to the extremes, but she seems broadly unpopular, even with the party faithful. Badenoch looks well placed to be able to appeal to party and members (but not the public at large, think she'd fair poorly in an election campaign.) | | | |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 14:53 - Jul 25 with 1985 views | DJR |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 14:18 - Jul 25 by Devereuxxx |
It's going to be a battle to see who can say the most outrageous and borderline problematic stuff, which the membership will lap up.
Interesting to see that Braverman is most likely to take this to the extremes, but she seems broadly unpopular, even with the party faithful. Badenoch looks well placed to be able to appeal to party and members (but not the public at large, think she'd fair poorly in an election campaign.) |
I just took part in the readers' poll on the Telegraph website.
It has Jenrick and Badenoch in the lead, with roughly twice the votes of Braverman and Tugendhat.
Mel Stride, the one I would probably vote for, were I a Tory member, is on 3%. And my fall-back, Cleverly is on 8%. They each need the support of 10 Tory MPs, so I can see at least one of them not making the ballot. | | | |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 15:04 - Jul 25 with 1937 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
"Sometimes my lip gets stuck on my teeth" 
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 17:08 - Jul 25 with 1807 views | BlueForYou |
I would choose Cleverly, fairly experienced & sensible choice. |  | | |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 17:31 - Jul 25 with 1772 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 12:41 - Jul 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Politician standing to be leader of his political party in "trying to appeal to the opposite wing of his party" shocker!!!
I understand that Sir Keir Starmer even managed to fool Labour members that he was left wing with his election pledges in 2021. |
Makes a change from "Yes, but Corbyn", I suppose. |  | | |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 18:06 - Jul 25 with 1727 views | GlasgowBlue |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 17:31 - Jul 25 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Makes a change from "Yes, but Corbyn", I suppose. |
Perhaps engage and point to the inaccuracy in my post. | |
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 18:46 - Jul 25 with 1694 views | factual_blue |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 17:08 - Jul 25 by BlueForYou |
I would choose Cleverly, fairly experienced & sensible choice. |
Or, as The Guardian call him, Jimmy Dimly. |  |
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 20:29 - Jul 25 with 1652 views | BlueBadger |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 17:08 - Jul 25 by BlueForYou |
I would choose Cleverly, fairly experienced & sensible choice. |
....and slightly less intelligent than what I've just given to my dog for her dinner. | |
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 20:33 - Jul 25 with 1638 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 12:41 - Jul 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Politician standing to be leader of his political party in "trying to appeal to the opposite wing of his party" shocker!!!
I understand that Sir Keir Starmer even managed to fool Labour members that he was left wing with his election pledges in 2021. |
Nobody actually believed that stuff did they! |  |
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 20:37 - Jul 25 with 1627 views | factual_blue |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 20:29 - Jul 25 by BlueBadger |
....and slightly less intelligent than what I've just given to my dog for her dinner. |
If you've given your dog liz truss for her dinner, you're wrong. | |
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 09:02 - Jul 26 with 1460 views | DJR |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 14:53 - Jul 25 by DJR |
I just took part in the readers' poll on the Telegraph website.
It has Jenrick and Badenoch in the lead, with roughly twice the votes of Braverman and Tugendhat.
Mel Stride, the one I would probably vote for, were I a Tory member, is on 3%. And my fall-back, Cleverly is on 8%. They each need the support of 10 Tory MPs, so I can see at least one of them not making the ballot. |
I was wrong, as they are both now in the contest, and have each got the necessary 10 supporters.
I suppose those on the moderate side of the Parliamentary party want to hedge their bets, and will opt for one of Tugendhat, Stride and Cleverly to put to the membership, depending on how they stand up to scrutiny. [Post edited 26 Jul 2024 9:03]
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 09:04 - Jul 26 with 1443 views | DJR |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 12:41 - Jul 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Politician standing to be leader of his political party in "trying to appeal to the opposite wing of his party" shocker!!!
I understand that Sir Keir Starmer even managed to fool Labour members that he was left wing with his election pledges in 2021. |
It may be too late to do so, and perhaps beyond the pale, but I wonder if you might be tempted to rejoin the party in order to try to ensure a more moderate candidate is elected. [Post edited 26 Jul 2024 9:05]
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 09:51 - Jul 26 with 1397 views | GlasgowBlue |
| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 09:04 - Jul 26 by DJR |
It may be too late to do so, and perhaps beyond the pale, but I wonder if you might be tempted to rejoin the party in order to try to ensure a more moderate candidate is elected. [Post edited 26 Jul 2024 9:05]
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I think I had until 7pm last night. And I did think about it but my conscience got the better of me. | |
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| A One Nation Tory? My ass! on 10:41 - Jul 28 with 1133 views | DJR |
There are suggestions that Braverman is struggling to get the necessary 10 supporters.
Given this, it seems to me that Patel is the most likely from the right of the party to go to the membership, and I think she will be the next leader.
She is also the best of the candidates and putative candidates from the right of the party. I'm not saying that's a high bar but I don't think she is as extreme and incompetent as the others. [Post edited 28 Jul 2024 11:31]
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