| I could only see a loan deal arriving 05:16 - Feb 3 with 1852 views | muccletonjoe |
And even then , I think the best that would have happened , was a loan deal for a Premier league U21 with limited experience. Having limited impact on our season. So barring any free transfers, we are left with what we've got. Promotion or no promotion , I really don't think it will boil down to this transfer window. Our bets were already laid. |  | | |  |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 05:52 - Feb 3 with 1287 views | Swansea_Blue |
I wasn’t expecting anything. Kieran played it down enough last week in his pre-match presser. |  |
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:04 - Feb 3 with 1074 views | Meadowlark |
David Nugent is still playing....... |  | | |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:08 - Feb 3 with 1057 views | TownieRob |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 05:52 - Feb 3 by Swansea_Blue |
I wasn’t expecting anything. Kieran played it down enough last week in his pre-match presser. |
I honestly cannot believe people werent expecting a striker. This has to be you managing your own expectations, so you didnt get dissapointed when we didnt land anyone.
We wanted a striker, we even spoke to strikers yet you didnt think we would get one? - Is that down to you not having faith in our recruitment team or those negotiating the deals? |  | | |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:12 - Feb 3 with 1033 views | Herbivore |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:08 - Feb 3 by TownieRob |
I honestly cannot believe people werent expecting a striker. This has to be you managing your own expectations, so you didnt get dissapointed when we didnt land anyone.
We wanted a striker, we even spoke to strikers yet you didnt think we would get one? - Is that down to you not having faith in our recruitment team or those negotiating the deals? |
Probably realism about the challenges of getting in a striker who would improve us I imagine. |  |
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:16 - Feb 3 with 1007 views | TownieRob |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:12 - Feb 3 by Herbivore |
Probably realism about the challenges of getting in a striker who would improve us I imagine. |
Showing little faith in our recruitment and those who seal the deals then. I understand it totally. | | | |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:18 - Feb 3 with 999 views | Herbivore |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:16 - Feb 3 by TownieRob |
Showing little faith in our recruitment and those who seal the deals then. I understand it totally. |
No, that's rather a different point that you are making and I'd rather you didn't try and twist my words to fit your own viewpoint thanks. | |
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:28 - Feb 3 with 957 views | TownieRob |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:18 - Feb 3 by Herbivore |
No, that's rather a different point that you are making and I'd rather you didn't try and twist my words to fit your own viewpoint thanks. |
I’m not twisting anything. Saying it was 'realistic' not to expect a striker is basically saying you didn’t think we’d pull it off. Given we identified the need, spoke to players and have spent big before, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that obvious gap to be addressed.
Writing it off in advance and calling it 'realism' feels more like managing disappointment than actually assessing the situation. | | | |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:42 - Feb 3 with 885 views | Whos_blue |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:16 - Feb 3 by TownieRob |
Showing little faith in our recruitment and those who seal the deals then. I understand it totally. |
I'm not sure that's what Herbs has said there is it?
All of us want to see the recruitment of players that will support the second half of the season push.
We saw it with Moore a couple if seasons ago and even further back with Marcus Stewart.
However, this particular window has seen so little movement, especially of strikers, that like Herbs, I share the view that the player we wanted just wasn't there.
Realistically who would you have brought that was available and wanted to come here and how much would you suggest we should have paid?
It feels like some people are starting to feather the "I told you so" nest and will be back here at the final whistle on the last day telling us they were right.
There's a chance they may be, but how about we unite behind the squad we have got. It's all we have and no amount of hand wringing is going to change anything now. |  |
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:45 - Feb 3 with 869 views | hype313 |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:12 - Feb 3 by Herbivore |
Probably realism about the challenges of getting in a striker who would improve us I imagine. |
Yep, and imagine the uproar if we bought another Ahadme or AAH. |  |
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:56 - Feb 3 with 805 views | Herbivore |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:28 - Feb 3 by TownieRob |
I’m not twisting anything. Saying it was 'realistic' not to expect a striker is basically saying you didn’t think we’d pull it off. Given we identified the need, spoke to players and have spent big before, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that obvious gap to be addressed.
Writing it off in advance and calling it 'realism' feels more like managing disappointment than actually assessing the situation. |
Again, that's not the point that I'm making. That's a point you want to make. Have the confidence to make and defend your own points without trying to twist other people's views to try and support them.
There has been very little movement of strikers this window, particulalry ones in or close to the kind of market we are in. Sure, there's been some movement, but not of players we'd be in for. It is a very small pool that we are shopping in when looking for strikers who are an upgrade on what we have. That pool gets smaller when you then add in that those players need to be affordable within our transfer budget and wage structure. It gets smaller still when you factor in that the player's club has to be willing to sell them and that the player themselves wants to join us. Then there are the various moving parts of other transfers that might impact the business being done, injuries impacting transfer movement etc.
So unless you think the recruitment team can conjure up available strikers from thin air then my point isn't that being realistic that we might not sign a striker is down to a lack of faith in the recruitment team. It's about recognising that the player we all wanted probably wasn't available to us this window. | |
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:59 - Feb 3 with 782 views | TownieRob |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:42 - Feb 3 by Whos_blue |
I'm not sure that's what Herbs has said there is it?
All of us want to see the recruitment of players that will support the second half of the season push.
We saw it with Moore a couple if seasons ago and even further back with Marcus Stewart.
However, this particular window has seen so little movement, especially of strikers, that like Herbs, I share the view that the player we wanted just wasn't there.
Realistically who would you have brought that was available and wanted to come here and how much would you suggest we should have paid?
It feels like some people are starting to feather the "I told you so" nest and will be back here at the final whistle on the last day telling us they were right.
There's a chance they may be, but how about we unite behind the squad we have got. It's all we have and no amount of hand wringing is going to change anything now. |
I’m not doing an 'I told you so'. I’m just saying we all knew a striker was needed, we spoke to players. Expecting that gap to be addressed isn’t madness or unreasonable.
'The player wasn’t there' just sounds like something people say after the window shuts without a striker coming in. If we couldn’t find anyone to improve us up top, that’s a big recruitment question, not realism.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with questioning something when it feels off and this is social media after all. We’re all Town fans and bumps in the road are part of it, that’s why it’s a discussion point.
Back the squad now, well obviously, however pretending the need never existed, or that it was unrealistic to expect it to be dealt with, doesn’t really add up in my opinion and pointing at anyone who questions things and acting like everything is perfect is just as unhelpful as being overly negative.
A bit of balance wouldn’t hurt. | | | |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:06 - Feb 3 with 749 views | TownieRob |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:56 - Feb 3 by Herbivore |
Again, that's not the point that I'm making. That's a point you want to make. Have the confidence to make and defend your own points without trying to twist other people's views to try and support them.
There has been very little movement of strikers this window, particulalry ones in or close to the kind of market we are in. Sure, there's been some movement, but not of players we'd be in for. It is a very small pool that we are shopping in when looking for strikers who are an upgrade on what we have. That pool gets smaller when you then add in that those players need to be affordable within our transfer budget and wage structure. It gets smaller still when you factor in that the player's club has to be willing to sell them and that the player themselves wants to join us. Then there are the various moving parts of other transfers that might impact the business being done, injuries impacting transfer movement etc.
So unless you think the recruitment team can conjure up available strikers from thin air then my point isn't that being realistic that we might not sign a striker is down to a lack of faith in the recruitment team. It's about recognising that the player we all wanted probably wasn't available to us this window. |
No one’s saying it’s easy. But It’s hard' doesn’t mean it was unreasonable to expect something to happen.
If the answer is 'the player wasn’t available', that’s still a recruitment outcome people are allowed to question.
This transfer window didn't jsut magically appear.. It's the same time every season and I would hope the recruitment team doesn't just start work on the 1st January. Clubs are talking to agents daily, sounding them out, getting a feel if a player would be interested in joining the club. So I wonder if its the ID of players or actually making the deal which is the problem. Somewhere between the two processes there seems to be a problem. [Post edited 3 Feb 9:07]
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:16 - Feb 3 with 718 views | Guthrum |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:08 - Feb 3 by TownieRob |
I honestly cannot believe people werent expecting a striker. This has to be you managing your own expectations, so you didnt get dissapointed when we didnt land anyone.
We wanted a striker, we even spoke to strikers yet you didnt think we would get one? - Is that down to you not having faith in our recruitment team or those negotiating the deals? |
That's like saying a penalty was missed, when the 'keeper saved it.
However good the negotiating team, they can't force someone who doesn't want to come to Ipswich, or another club to sell. If someone like Hackney would prefer to stay at Boro unless he has a guaranteed, decent Prem berth on offer, then nothing we can say or do will get him to sign for us. We'd be asking Piroe to step down to the Champ, when there were offers from Rangers, should he want them. Surridge would have to come back from the USA, where he is a big fish in that pond. |  |
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:28 - Feb 3 with 683 views | TownieRob |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:16 - Feb 3 by Guthrum |
That's like saying a penalty was missed, when the 'keeper saved it.
However good the negotiating team, they can't force someone who doesn't want to come to Ipswich, or another club to sell. If someone like Hackney would prefer to stay at Boro unless he has a guaranteed, decent Prem berth on offer, then nothing we can say or do will get him to sign for us. We'd be asking Piroe to step down to the Champ, when there were offers from Rangers, should he want them. Surridge would have to come back from the USA, where he is a big fish in that pond. |
I don't get your first point. If a penalty isnt scored then it's missed.
If you can't get players to sign, then you are not shopping down the correct aisle.
Interest in playing for the club should be part of your criteria, probably the first box to tick. We have one of the brightest young managers in the game. A training complex nearing completion that will rival many in the PL and Europe, and we are a parachute payment club so can provide great renumeration. If thats not enough to entice a player to the club, say thank-you and move on quickly. [Post edited 3 Feb 9:28]
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:33 - Feb 3 with 654 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:16 - Feb 3 by TownieRob |
Showing little faith in our recruitment and those who seal the deals then. I understand it totally. |
It makes me wonder if KM looks at the record of striker recruitment in his time here and thinks "i'm better off not bothering with one if thats the quality they are getting me" | | | |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:37 - Feb 3 with 635 views | Herbivore |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:06 - Feb 3 by TownieRob |
No one’s saying it’s easy. But It’s hard' doesn’t mean it was unreasonable to expect something to happen.
If the answer is 'the player wasn’t available', that’s still a recruitment outcome people are allowed to question.
This transfer window didn't jsut magically appear.. It's the same time every season and I would hope the recruitment team doesn't just start work on the 1st January. Clubs are talking to agents daily, sounding them out, getting a feel if a player would be interested in joining the club. So I wonder if its the ID of players or actually making the deal which is the problem. Somewhere between the two processes there seems to be a problem. [Post edited 3 Feb 9:07]
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We identified players and for various reasons the deals didn't happen. Bamford opted to stay at Sheffield United, which is understandable in his circumstances. Piroe wanted to stay at Leeds rather than drop down to the Championship. Surridge, if the rumours are to be believed, is on massive wages that Nashville have offered to increase further. There's not an infinite list of targets who offer us sufficient quality regardless of how good your recruitment team is, particularly when it comes to strikers. Of course we could have identified a striker of some description who wanted to join us and we could afford but we don't want to sign just anyone, we wanted someone to improve us. And that is inherently a difficult task in the market we're in. | |
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:38 - Feb 3 with 632 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:56 - Feb 3 by Herbivore |
Again, that's not the point that I'm making. That's a point you want to make. Have the confidence to make and defend your own points without trying to twist other people's views to try and support them.
There has been very little movement of strikers this window, particulalry ones in or close to the kind of market we are in. Sure, there's been some movement, but not of players we'd be in for. It is a very small pool that we are shopping in when looking for strikers who are an upgrade on what we have. That pool gets smaller when you then add in that those players need to be affordable within our transfer budget and wage structure. It gets smaller still when you factor in that the player's club has to be willing to sell them and that the player themselves wants to join us. Then there are the various moving parts of other transfers that might impact the business being done, injuries impacting transfer movement etc.
So unless you think the recruitment team can conjure up available strikers from thin air then my point isn't that being realistic that we might not sign a striker is down to a lack of faith in the recruitment team. It's about recognising that the player we all wanted probably wasn't available to us this window. |
"There has been very little movement of strikers this window, particulalry ones in or close to the kind of market we are in. Sure, there's been some movement, but not of players we'd be in for. It is a very small pool that we are shopping in when looking for strikers who are an upgrade on what we have."
Point 1 - we can only buy a striker if other clubs are doing so? aren't we a little beyond that these days?
Point 2 - very small pool of strikers that are an upgrade on what we have - what have the 3 done this season to remotely back that point up? I honestly have seen little to nothing, so need to get some context around how/why anyone can say this with a straight face | | | |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:40 - Feb 3 with 626 views | LeoMuff |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 08:08 - Feb 3 by TownieRob |
I honestly cannot believe people werent expecting a striker. This has to be you managing your own expectations, so you didnt get dissapointed when we didnt land anyone.
We wanted a striker, we even spoke to strikers yet you didnt think we would get one? - Is that down to you not having faith in our recruitment team or those negotiating the deals? |
There are barely any available who fit the criteria, those that do didn’t want to come for financial, staying in the prem and personal reasons.
That’s why I thought it wouldn’t happen |  |
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:42 - Feb 3 with 611 views | Guthrum |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:28 - Feb 3 by TownieRob |
I don't get your first point. If a penalty isnt scored then it's missed.
If you can't get players to sign, then you are not shopping down the correct aisle.
Interest in playing for the club should be part of your criteria, probably the first box to tick. We have one of the brightest young managers in the game. A training complex nearing completion that will rival many in the PL and Europe, and we are a parachute payment club so can provide great renumeration. If thats not enough to entice a player to the club, say thank-you and move on quickly. [Post edited 3 Feb 9:28]
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But you move on and move on. How far down the list do you go before it's no longer worth it? The players don't match the role required, or they're seen as no better than those we already have.
It's not like there are thousands of great strikers just waiting to be picked up. Otherwise bigger and wealthier clubs than Ipswich wouldn't struggle to fill their ranks and have to tussle over the same few names.
My point with the penalty analogy is that there is another agency involved in the process. It's not the taker missing the goal, but the 'keeper getting it right and preventing the ball going in. Likewise with transfers, it's not just about the skill of our negotiating team or attractiveness of ITFC, but the priorities and desires of the player themselves and their parent club. There might be some flexibility, but they can say no in the end and there's nothing we can do about it. | |
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:44 - Feb 3 with 597 views | TownieRob |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:40 - Feb 3 by LeoMuff |
There are barely any available who fit the criteria, those that do didn’t want to come for financial, staying in the prem and personal reasons.
That’s why I thought it wouldn’t happen |
Barely any available? Seriously? We are clearly not looking in the right places if this is the case.
My head hurts at people justifying not signing a striker because there wasnt one available. | | | |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:45 - Feb 3 with 591 views | Herbivore |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:38 - Feb 3 by ashtonscoffeecup |
"There has been very little movement of strikers this window, particulalry ones in or close to the kind of market we are in. Sure, there's been some movement, but not of players we'd be in for. It is a very small pool that we are shopping in when looking for strikers who are an upgrade on what we have."
Point 1 - we can only buy a striker if other clubs are doing so? aren't we a little beyond that these days?
Point 2 - very small pool of strikers that are an upgrade on what we have - what have the 3 done this season to remotely back that point up? I honestly have seen little to nothing, so need to get some context around how/why anyone can say this with a straight face |
The transfer market is, in many ways, like a lot of markers so it's of course relevant to look around at what sort of business is being done. It's also useful to reflect on whether anyone moved who we think we genuinely missed out on given that some seem to think there's loads of strikers available that would improve us.
Your second point, no doubt our strikers have underperformed this season but that doesn't make them crap which I know is probably hard for some fans to comprehend. You're not going to get someone better than Hirst or Azon very easily. It's not just about goals but about the other qualities they bring in terms of workrate, occupying the centre halves, running the channels. If you honestly think there's loads of strikers out there who are clearly an upgrade and who were available in our budget this window, can you name some of them? Ideally players who were sold this window so we know they were genuinely available. | |
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:46 - Feb 3 with 591 views | TownieRob |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:42 - Feb 3 by Guthrum |
But you move on and move on. How far down the list do you go before it's no longer worth it? The players don't match the role required, or they're seen as no better than those we already have.
It's not like there are thousands of great strikers just waiting to be picked up. Otherwise bigger and wealthier clubs than Ipswich wouldn't struggle to fill their ranks and have to tussle over the same few names.
My point with the penalty analogy is that there is another agency involved in the process. It's not the taker missing the goal, but the 'keeper getting it right and preventing the ball going in. Likewise with transfers, it's not just about the skill of our negotiating team or attractiveness of ITFC, but the priorities and desires of the player themselves and their parent club. There might be some flexibility, but they can say no in the end and there's nothing we can do about it. |
Please, can you honestly tell me there aren't 3 players better than Hirst, Akpon and Azon who wouldnt have been available to us? | | | |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:47 - Feb 3 with 584 views | Herbivore |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:44 - Feb 3 by TownieRob |
Barely any available? Seriously? We are clearly not looking in the right places if this is the case.
My head hurts at people justifying not signing a striker because there wasnt one available. |
Being asked to think can do that. | |
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:47 - Feb 3 with 579 views | Herbivore |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:46 - Feb 3 by TownieRob |
Please, can you honestly tell me there aren't 3 players better than Hirst, Akpon and Azon who wouldnt have been available to us? |
Name them then if it's so obvious that there were loads of available upgrades that we just didn't bother with. [Post edited 3 Feb 9:48]
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| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:50 - Feb 3 with 562 views | Whos_blue |
| I could only see a loan deal arriving on 09:46 - Feb 3 by TownieRob |
Please, can you honestly tell me there aren't 3 players better than Hirst, Akpon and Azon who wouldnt have been available to us? |
Can you tell us who they are?
I'm genuinely not looking for an arguement with you but you mentioned discussing this issue in a balanced way.
A few of us are providing a balance to your opinion but you just keep coming back bemoaning the fact we haven't signed a striker (which is a reasonable position btw) but haven't suggested one player we should have gone for. | |
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