| would this work 15:12 - Aug 22 with 3610 views | bluebare |
---------------------Holy
-----wolf-- Skuse/Chambo-- Toto
KVY-------------------------------- Georgiou
--------Downs-------Doze/Huws
-----------------Judge
-------Norwood---Jackson
add Sears and Keen as an alternative front pair
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| would this work on 15:13 - Aug 22 with 3595 views | Herbivore |
No. The back three has no pace, no left footer, and limited ability on the ball. |  |
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| would this work on 15:19 - Aug 22 with 3567 views | bluebare |
| would this work on 15:13 - Aug 22 by Herbivore |
No. The back three has no pace, no left footer, and limited ability on the ball. |
Its using the players we have agree ideally would have a left footed C/H Toto has more pace than most Skuse and Wolf comfortable on the ball so don't see your point [Post edited 22 Aug 2019 15:23]
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| would this work on 15:26 - Aug 22 with 3542 views | Herbivore |
| would this work on 15:19 - Aug 22 by bluebare |
Its using the players we have agree ideally would have a left footed C/H Toto has more pace than most Skuse and Wolf comfortable on the ball so don't see your point [Post edited 22 Aug 2019 15:23]
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Skuse isn't a centre back and has been playing well so far this season in his actual position, so I don't see the merit of dropping him back there. For me as a back three it lacks balance, pace, and ability on the ball. I don't think it's the system for us, we're more suited to a back 4. | |
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| would this work on 15:30 - Aug 22 with 3521 views | MrTown |
| would this work on 15:19 - Aug 22 by bluebare |
Its using the players we have agree ideally would have a left footed C/H Toto has more pace than most Skuse and Wolf comfortable on the ball so don't see your point [Post edited 22 Aug 2019 15:23]
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Why would we change it right now, we are getting positive results? |  |
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| would this work on 16:00 - Aug 22 with 3468 views | ipswichtillidie |
Essentially I think to find our best attacking line up, especially against the poorer teams we should imo only be playing one from Skuse and Downes. For me Downes has to play but you mention dropping Skuse and some people are up in arms. Playing 2 DM players with the talent we have at our disposal in the central positions is where some of our problems have been despite the results. |  |
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| would this work on 16:05 - Aug 22 with 3453 views | Herbivore |
| would this work on 16:00 - Aug 22 by ipswichtillidie |
Essentially I think to find our best attacking line up, especially against the poorer teams we should imo only be playing one from Skuse and Downes. For me Downes has to play but you mention dropping Skuse and some people are up in arms. Playing 2 DM players with the talent we have at our disposal in the central positions is where some of our problems have been despite the results. |
I don't think Downes is a defensive midfielder. He's a genuine box to box player. | |
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| would this work on 16:08 - Aug 22 with 3443 views | homer_123 |
| would this work on 15:30 - Aug 22 by MrTown |
Why would we change it right now, we are getting positive results? |
Struck a lucky draw at Posh - struggled to beat an awful AFC Wimbledon - dropped 2 points against Sunderland.
The one decent result was Burton. |  |
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| would this work on 16:14 - Aug 22 with 3432 views | Herbivore |
| would this work on 16:08 - Aug 22 by homer_123 |
Struck a lucky draw at Posh - struggled to beat an awful AFC Wimbledon - dropped 2 points against Sunderland.
The one decent result was Burton. |
8 points from our opening 4 fixtures is good. By all means quibble with the performances but the results have been good. | |
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| would this work on 16:29 - Aug 22 with 3391 views | homer_123 |
| would this work on 16:14 - Aug 22 by Herbivore |
8 points from our opening 4 fixtures is good. By all means quibble with the performances but the results have been good. |
But we are talking about changing the system.
We aren't playing so well that it doesn't warrant trying to improve. | |
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| would this work on 16:39 - Aug 22 with 3377 views | Herbivore |
| would this work on 16:29 - Aug 22 by homer_123 |
But we are talking about changing the system.
We aren't playing so well that it doesn't warrant trying to improve. |
Novel idea but we could work on our existing system and let it bed in. Some of our fans are obsessed with 3-5-2 for some reason. For me it's clear we don't have the defenders to really make it work and I'm not sure why we're looking at a wholesale change of system after a more than solid start to the season results wise. | |
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| would this work on 16:51 - Aug 22 with 3362 views | LKW15 |
| would this work on 16:39 - Aug 22 by Herbivore |
Novel idea but we could work on our existing system and let it bed in. Some of our fans are obsessed with 3-5-2 for some reason. For me it's clear we don't have the defenders to really make it work and I'm not sure why we're looking at a wholesale change of system after a more than solid start to the season results wise. |
i really don't get anyone who looks at our centre back options and thinks "lets get as many of them on pitch at the same time as we can".
i agree with you, lambert needs to decide on his best defence and then stick with it until it becomes a cohesive unit | | | |
| would this work on 16:58 - Aug 22 with 3345 views | gordon |
It's basically this, not counting fringe / younger players, and assuming Sears returns from injury:
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V-Young------------Woolfenden--------Chambers/Nsiala------Kenlock/Garbutt
Edwards/Rowe---Huws/Judge/Skuse---Downes/Nolan----Georgiou/Garbutt
----------------------Norwood------Keane/Jackson/Sears-------------
There's really no need to go with anything other than 4-4-2 now with all those options, unless we have strikers injured. The 4-2-3-1 tried against Wimbledon was a daft idea at this level.
For home games against weaker opposition Huws or Judge comes in for Skuse. Can't really see Nolan getting many games with Downes playing a similar role but with more skill and energy (in my opinion), and Huws or Judge offering more creativity as an alternative to either.
Not sure what will happen on the left, but on the right Edwards will keep Rowe out of the team - although we might find that for home games when other teams are sitting deep, Edwards pace but lack of control is less useful, and playing someone like Dozzell, Dobra or El Mizouni will give us a better chance of unlocking a defence. |  | | |
| would this work on 20:02 - Aug 22 with 3254 views | bluebare |
| would this work on 15:26 - Aug 22 by Herbivore |
Skuse isn't a centre back and has been playing well so far this season in his actual position, so I don't see the merit of dropping him back there. For me as a back three it lacks balance, pace, and ability on the ball. I don't think it's the system for us, we're more suited to a back 4. |
back 4 exposes the full backs as not good enough and flaws in the centerhalves there is no need to have Skuse and Downs and Downs is the future Skuse or Chambers would add experience to the back 3 allowing the younger ones to develop we do need a left footer though like Tilt | | | |
| would this work on 20:09 - Aug 22 with 3244 views | bluebare |
| would this work on 16:51 - Aug 22 by LKW15 |
i really don't get anyone who looks at our centre back options and thinks "lets get as many of them on pitch at the same time as we can".
i agree with you, lambert needs to decide on his best defence and then stick with it until it becomes a cohesive unit |
the point is our centre backs are competent but our full backs are not so the system allows younger ones to develop while not exposing them | | | |
| would this work on 20:23 - Aug 22 with 3215 views | pointofblue |
| would this work on 16:58 - Aug 22 by gordon |
It's basically this, not counting fringe / younger players, and assuming Sears returns from injury:
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V-Young------------Woolfenden--------Chambers/Nsiala------Kenlock/Garbutt
Edwards/Rowe---Huws/Judge/Skuse---Downes/Nolan----Georgiou/Garbutt
----------------------Norwood------Keane/Jackson/Sears-------------
There's really no need to go with anything other than 4-4-2 now with all those options, unless we have strikers injured. The 4-2-3-1 tried against Wimbledon was a daft idea at this level.
For home games against weaker opposition Huws or Judge comes in for Skuse. Can't really see Nolan getting many games with Downes playing a similar role but with more skill and energy (in my opinion), and Huws or Judge offering more creativity as an alternative to either.
Not sure what will happen on the left, but on the right Edwards will keep Rowe out of the team - although we might find that for home games when other teams are sitting deep, Edwards pace but lack of control is less useful, and playing someone like Dozzell, Dobra or El Mizouni will give us a better chance of unlocking a defence. |
The only time to go one up front would be to put Judge directly behind the striker, pushing the wingers (Rowe/Edwards? and Georgiou) up in support with Skuse and Downes sitting back.
The Wimbledon performance is an anomaly for me because we were very poor in a 4-3-3 but improved once Jackson came on - in games we're expected to win we have to try and play 4-4-2 but I understand having just two fit strikers may put that approach under risk. | |
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| would this work on 20:32 - Aug 22 with 3195 views | Herbivore |
| would this work on 20:02 - Aug 22 by bluebare |
back 4 exposes the full backs as not good enough and flaws in the centerhalves there is no need to have Skuse and Downs and Downs is the future Skuse or Chambers would add experience to the back 3 allowing the younger ones to develop we do need a left footer though like Tilt |
We've just signed a new right back who will be plenty good enough. Kenlock should be okay at this level but if not Georgiou or Garbutt will replace him. Our centre backs aren't suited to a back three so I see no good reason to switch to that formation. | |
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| would this work on 20:52 - Aug 22 with 3164 views | lmfcblue |
| would this work on 16:58 - Aug 22 by gordon |
It's basically this, not counting fringe / younger players, and assuming Sears returns from injury:
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V-Young------------Woolfenden--------Chambers/Nsiala------Kenlock/Garbutt
Edwards/Rowe---Huws/Judge/Skuse---Downes/Nolan----Georgiou/Garbutt
----------------------Norwood------Keane/Jackson/Sears-------------
There's really no need to go with anything other than 4-4-2 now with all those options, unless we have strikers injured. The 4-2-3-1 tried against Wimbledon was a daft idea at this level.
For home games against weaker opposition Huws or Judge comes in for Skuse. Can't really see Nolan getting many games with Downes playing a similar role but with more skill and energy (in my opinion), and Huws or Judge offering more creativity as an alternative to either.
Not sure what will happen on the left, but on the right Edwards will keep Rowe out of the team - although we might find that for home games when other teams are sitting deep, Edwards pace but lack of control is less useful, and playing someone like Dozzell, Dobra or El Mizouni will give us a better chance of unlocking a defence. |
it wasnt 4.2.3.1 against Wimbledon, it was 4.3.3 (flat midfield 3) we had no one in behind Norwood. Downes got closest too him at times but Norwood isolated for 70 mins | | | |
| would this work on 20:54 - Aug 22 with 3156 views | MrTown |
| would this work on 16:08 - Aug 22 by homer_123 |
Struck a lucky draw at Posh - struggled to beat an awful AFC Wimbledon - dropped 2 points against Sunderland.
The one decent result was Burton. |
And yet we are joint third and unbeaten. Three top 8 sides, 2 automatic pushing sides, still unbeaten.
But yeah lets change it. | |
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