The Oxford vaccine... 20:13 - Nov 23 with 2107 views | BanksterDebtSlave | Do we think they will try 1/4 dose followed by 1/2 dose (etc) to see if that is even more effective? Also if the WHO standard of efficacy is 70% protection for a year then we won't know for at least a year how long protection will last...or are claims on longevity of protection being made? | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 20:22 - Nov 23 with 2045 views | J2BLUE | If you don't want it don't have it. This is just sad though. | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 20:25 - Nov 23 with 2033 views | BanksterDebtSlave | Strewth Stokie I wish you would stop second guessing my 'motives' . Both genuine questions the second of which is a result of watching Ch 4 news just now which mentioned the efficacy level for W.H.O. | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 20:26 - Nov 23 with 2021 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The Oxford vaccine... on 20:22 - Nov 23 by J2BLUE | If you don't want it don't have it. This is just sad though. |
You too...they are honest questions. Surely the results would suggest that trialling lower doses would make sense! Edit ...I also wondered if some on here with more time for background reading might know if any claims about longevity of effect have been made. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 20:30]
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The Oxford vaccine... on 20:28 - Nov 23 with 2006 views | J2BLUE |
The Oxford vaccine... on 20:26 - Nov 23 by BanksterDebtSlave | You too...they are honest questions. Surely the results would suggest that trialling lower doses would make sense! Edit ...I also wondered if some on here with more time for background reading might know if any claims about longevity of effect have been made. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 20:30]
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90% not good enough? Do we wait another 3-4 months to see if we can get it to 95? | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 20:28 - Nov 23 with 2004 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
The Oxford vaccine... on 20:26 - Nov 23 by BanksterDebtSlave | You too...they are honest questions. Surely the results would suggest that trialling lower doses would make sense! Edit ...I also wondered if some on here with more time for background reading might know if any claims about longevity of effect have been made. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 20:30]
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Please do explain why. | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 20:30 - Nov 23 with 1994 views | StokieBlue |
The Oxford vaccine... on 20:25 - Nov 23 by BanksterDebtSlave | Strewth Stokie I wish you would stop second guessing my 'motives' . Both genuine questions the second of which is a result of watching Ch 4 news just now which mentioned the efficacy level for W.H.O. |
Not just me though is it? You've already got J2 questioning you and yesterday you had multiple posters questioning you. Perhaps it's your posting style. 1). They aren't fully sure on the doses but it's unlikely a smaller dose would work. The reason to have 2 doses is that the first dose primes the immune system to recognise the virus and the second improves the immune response. If the first dose is too small it won't prime the immune system. 2). No claims on longevity are being made. At the moment it's certainly possible that you'll need a yearly booster or jab much like people do with the flu vaccine every year. It's not really an issue at the moment though, it's something to worry about at the end of 2021. SB [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 20:31]
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The Oxford vaccine... on 20:31 - Nov 23 with 1983 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The Oxford vaccine... on 20:28 - Nov 23 by J2BLUE | 90% not good enough? Do we wait another 3-4 months to see if we can get it to 95? |
90 is great but if you can get the same using less then it will go further....hopefully they can do both. | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 20:33 - Nov 23 with 1970 views | J2BLUE |
The Oxford vaccine... on 20:31 - Nov 23 by BanksterDebtSlave | 90 is great but if you can get the same using less then it will go further....hopefully they can do both. |
They've already saved 25% which is a massive boost. We just need to use what works and get on with making as much as possible. | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 20:38 - Nov 23 with 1945 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The Oxford vaccine... on 20:30 - Nov 23 by StokieBlue | Not just me though is it? You've already got J2 questioning you and yesterday you had multiple posters questioning you. Perhaps it's your posting style. 1). They aren't fully sure on the doses but it's unlikely a smaller dose would work. The reason to have 2 doses is that the first dose primes the immune system to recognise the virus and the second improves the immune response. If the first dose is too small it won't prime the immune system. 2). No claims on longevity are being made. At the moment it's certainly possible that you'll need a yearly booster or jab much like people do with the flu vaccine every year. It's not really an issue at the moment though, it's something to worry about at the end of 2021. SB [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 20:31]
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Try reading the OP again as if you have not formed an opinion of me before... Thanks for tackling the questions...is 1 your opinion or based on what they have said? As people have been getting Covid twice then it might be a question for sooner than that but thankyou...as I said I did not know if the researchers had inferred any degree of longevity! | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 20:41 - Nov 23 with 1929 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The Oxford vaccine... on 20:28 - Nov 23 by Nthsuffolkblue | Please do explain why. |
What do you want explaining? | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 20:42 - Nov 23 with 1921 views | bluelagos |
The Oxford vaccine... on 20:38 - Nov 23 by BanksterDebtSlave | Try reading the OP again as if you have not formed an opinion of me before... Thanks for tackling the questions...is 1 your opinion or based on what they have said? As people have been getting Covid twice then it might be a question for sooner than that but thankyou...as I said I did not know if the researchers had inferred any degree of longevity! |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51176409 Answers your question about longevity. Well it doesn't, it says they don't know yet. | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 20:56 - Nov 23 with 1883 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
The Oxford vaccine... on 20:41 - Nov 23 by BanksterDebtSlave | What do you want explaining? |
You appear to have now explained that a reduced dosage would see the vaccine go further which is fair enough. What is the science behind a lower dosage giving better immunity? Or is it that you would hope for similar levels whilst saving on the vaccine? | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 21:05 - Nov 23 with 1852 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Thanks .... so that would be the answer then. | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 21:09 - Nov 23 with 1836 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The Oxford vaccine... on 20:56 - Nov 23 by Nthsuffolkblue | You appear to have now explained that a reduced dosage would see the vaccine go further which is fair enough. What is the science behind a lower dosage giving better immunity? Or is it that you would hope for similar levels whilst saving on the vaccine? |
On the basis that half a dose followed by a full dose is performing better than two full doses according to their research results. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 21:12]
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The Oxford vaccine... on 21:14 - Nov 23 with 1819 views | Guthrum |
The Oxford vaccine... on 21:09 - Nov 23 by BanksterDebtSlave | On the basis that half a dose followed by a full dose is performing better than two full doses according to their research results. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 21:12]
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You might need a smaller amout to "prime the pump" (i.e. to get the right kind of antibodies being produced), then a bigger dose to provoke mass production to the neccessary levels. Edit: I haven't read the paper, but that would be entirely logical. After all, people don't have any existing latent resistance to C-19 which could be boosted by a simpler jab. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 21:16]
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The Oxford vaccine... on 21:15 - Nov 23 with 1815 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
The Oxford vaccine... on 21:09 - Nov 23 by BanksterDebtSlave | On the basis that half a dose followed by a full dose is performing better than two full doses according to their research results. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 21:12]
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Ah, so on the basis of your knowledge of Maths than of virology. I am no expert in virology but I suspect the experts have some idea of whether a lower dosage is likely to impact success rates significantly and know the wisdom of these sort of tests. | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 21:31 - Nov 23 with 1778 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The Oxford vaccine... on 21:15 - Nov 23 by Nthsuffolkblue | Ah, so on the basis of your knowledge of Maths than of virology. I am no expert in virology but I suspect the experts have some idea of whether a lower dosage is likely to impact success rates significantly and know the wisdom of these sort of tests. |
It was a question based on knowledge of neither. As they are expressing surprise at the results then hopefully they will be looking into it further. | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 21:46 - Nov 23 with 1740 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
The Oxford vaccine... on 21:31 - Nov 23 by BanksterDebtSlave | It was a question based on knowledge of neither. As they are expressing surprise at the results then hopefully they will be looking into it further. |
They are expressing surprise at the results are they? I am not sure, even if they are, that means they would expect a lower dosage overall to be worthwhile testing. Maybe they might consider 1/4 dosage followed by the full dose if the above results were a surprise. I am sure virologists will have a reasonable grasp of what to expect and what to expect and why regardless of the way the mainstream media choose to present their findings. | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 22:55 - Nov 23 with 1674 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The Oxford vaccine... on 21:46 - Nov 23 by Nthsuffolkblue | They are expressing surprise at the results are they? I am not sure, even if they are, that means they would expect a lower dosage overall to be worthwhile testing. Maybe they might consider 1/4 dosage followed by the full dose if the above results were a surprise. I am sure virologists will have a reasonable grasp of what to expect and what to expect and why regardless of the way the mainstream media choose to present their findings. |
According to the Telegraph the half dose was down to an error! | |
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The Oxford vaccine... on 23:52 - Nov 23 with 1634 views | Trequartista | Although the sample sizes are quite small to prove the efficacy moves up to 90%, the good news about this vaccine that hasn't really been headlined is that not a single person who was vaccinated went to hospital with covid. So although the efficacy tells us how good the herd immunity will be, for the individual taking the vaccine, it works (in that it stops you becoming very unwell) 100%. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 23:53]
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