| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town 10:02 - Apr 2 with 1043 views | ArnieM |
...essentially the “ Brentford way”..... here....
https://talksport.com/football/fa-cup/659667/brentford-data-revolution-england-s
So two questions.
1) will Evans be funding the recruitment of expertise required to implement this approach?
2) does this mean the end of our academy, which Evans currently funds to the tune of £2m yearly, because as the Brentford owner states, is a waste if time and money as PL just steal your talent for peanuts. |  |
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| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 10:32 - Apr 2 with 987 views | Steve_M |
We’re not going to get close to doing what Brentford do under Evans because 1) he won’t fund it properly and 2) Brentford use their location to pick up players released from other London clubs as well as the higher profile signings.
When you say, Evans funds the academy are you also including the additional funding from fans which supposedly contributes to the costs? |  |
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| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 10:38 - Apr 2 with 972 views | WD19 |
| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 10:32 - Apr 2 by Steve_M |
We’re not going to get close to doing what Brentford do under Evans because 1) he won’t fund it properly and 2) Brentford use their location to pick up players released from other London clubs as well as the higher profile signings.
When you say, Evans funds the academy are you also including the additional funding from fans which supposedly contributes to the costs? |
I think you are probably right that the amount fans chip in is probably risible compared to the amount Evans has to stump up each year to keep it running, yes. It’s very welcome though I am sure. |  | | |
| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 11:15 - Apr 2 with 931 views | ArnieM |
| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 10:32 - Apr 2 by Steve_M |
We’re not going to get close to doing what Brentford do under Evans because 1) he won’t fund it properly and 2) Brentford use their location to pick up players released from other London clubs as well as the higher profile signings.
When you say, Evans funds the academy are you also including the additional funding from fans which supposedly contributes to the costs? |
Well yes of course . But if this data analysis approach mean the Club dispenses with the academy then any source of funding would be stopped, or diverted. Not saying the fans finding would be ( I stopped funding the academy several years ago simply because we’d lose our best young players to PL for sod all income. So I thought sod it, I’m not funding PL clubs. | |
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| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 11:38 - Apr 2 with 898 views | LeoMuff |
It really does make perfect sense, but as others have said you can’t do it half arsed you really do need the brightest and best in talent and software, but when one big sale can fund that for years it is surely a no brainier for clubs like us.
Unfortunately half arsed is our middle name these days. |  |
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| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 11:57 - Apr 2 with 864 views | jayessess |
| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 11:15 - Apr 2 by ArnieM |
Well yes of course . But if this data analysis approach mean the Club dispenses with the academy then any source of funding would be stopped, or diverted. Not saying the fans finding would be ( I stopped funding the academy several years ago simply because we’d lose our best young players to PL for sod all income. So I thought sod it, I’m not funding PL clubs. |
It's just a shift in recruitment emphasis, as far as I can tell. No mention that we'll be re-directing money between different parts of the club.
Seemingly they're just announcing "now we're going to start looking seriously at data in our recruitment", which is why it got ridiculed. |  |
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| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 12:04 - Apr 2 with 850 views | LankHenners |
Tons of clubs do it, Brentford are often highlighted because they made a big thing of binning their academy to fund their transfers.
Most sensible clubs, knowing they can't just buy the best player in whatever position, will use analytics to find suitable transfer targets. Getting rid of your academy isn't a requirement.
As far as Evans' funding of it goes, I expect it'll be done to the same level of quality as everything else he's funded during his ownership. |  |
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| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 12:21 - Apr 2 with 812 views | BlueBadger |
| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 12:04 - Apr 2 by LankHenners |
Tons of clubs do it, Brentford are often highlighted because they made a big thing of binning their academy to fund their transfers.
Most sensible clubs, knowing they can't just buy the best player in whatever position, will use analytics to find suitable transfer targets. Getting rid of your academy isn't a requirement.
As far as Evans' funding of it goes, I expect it'll be done to the same level of quality as everything else he's funded during his ownership. |
I can't be the only who thought 'I bet someone at the club's just bought a copy of the last-but-one Football Manager, haven't they' can I? [Post edited 2 Apr 2021 12:22]
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| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 12:26 - Apr 2 with 801 views | jayessess |
| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 12:21 - Apr 2 by BlueBadger |
I can't be the only who thought 'I bet someone at the club's just bought a copy of the last-but-one Football Manager, haven't they' can I? [Post edited 2 Apr 2021 12:22]
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| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 12:29 - Apr 2 with 790 views | Plums |
| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 12:04 - Apr 2 by LankHenners |
Tons of clubs do it, Brentford are often highlighted because they made a big thing of binning their academy to fund their transfers.
Most sensible clubs, knowing they can't just buy the best player in whatever position, will use analytics to find suitable transfer targets. Getting rid of your academy isn't a requirement.
As far as Evans' funding of it goes, I expect it'll be done to the same level of quality as everything else he's funded during his ownership. |
Brentford also cited the immorality of academies as being part of their rationale. Keeping 15 kids who will never make it into their late teens just so the one or two who might play first team football have someone to train and play is a question all clubs should be looking at. |  |
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| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 12:38 - Apr 2 with 779 views | Dyland |
| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 12:04 - Apr 2 by LankHenners |
Tons of clubs do it, Brentford are often highlighted because they made a big thing of binning their academy to fund their transfers.
Most sensible clubs, knowing they can't just buy the best player in whatever position, will use analytics to find suitable transfer targets. Getting rid of your academy isn't a requirement.
As far as Evans' funding of it goes, I expect it'll be done to the same level of quality as everything else he's funded during his ownership. |
"As far as Evans' funding of it goes, I expect it'll be done to the same level of quality as everything else he's funded during his ownership."
Indeed.
And that's not a criticism of how MUCH money Marcus Evans Group puts in. It's a quality question pure and simple. And the terms quality and MEG simply don't go together. |  |
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| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 12:40 - Apr 2 with 770 views | wkj |
Don't look deep into this at all Arnie. This is just some utter w*nk dribbled out by ME to generate curiosity around season ticket renewal time.
It may seem like something other teams do well, but he's got no intention of doing any of it - if I am wrong and he does... then he will only half arse it and we'll continue to go t*ts up. |  |
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| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 13:07 - Apr 2 with 707 views | LankHenners |
| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 12:21 - Apr 2 by BlueBadger |
I can't be the only who thought 'I bet someone at the club's just bought a copy of the last-but-one Football Manager, haven't they' can I? [Post edited 2 Apr 2021 12:22]
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I'm not saying I'm not confident in the club's ability to carry this out efficiently and effectively, but usually when clubs talk about statistical analysis it's done in an interview of some sort rather than released as an official press release, and it's described using language that goes deep into why a certain player is good for a team that likes to press high up the pitch, for example. We have Lee O'Neill saying 'a striker scores goals because someone passes him the ball'. | |
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| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 13:21 - Apr 2 with 644 views | Illinoisblue |
Forget Brentford, what about Peterborough? How do they manage to have a never ending supply of 20-goal strikers? What’s their secret to recruitment? Is it just good old fashioned scouting? |  |
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| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 14:15 - Apr 2 with 531 views | jayessess |
| The data analysis way of recruiting to be adopted by Town on 13:07 - Apr 2 by LankHenners |
I'm not saying I'm not confident in the club's ability to carry this out efficiently and effectively, but usually when clubs talk about statistical analysis it's done in an interview of some sort rather than released as an official press release, and it's described using language that goes deep into why a certain player is good for a team that likes to press high up the pitch, for example. We have Lee O'Neill saying 'a striker scores goals because someone passes him the ball'. |
The one comfort is that Cook has experience of what a functional recruitment policy is supposed to look like, even if everyone else at the club is a rank amateur. | |
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