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Big numbers 22:26 - Oct 6 with 1541 viewsOldsmoker

US debt has now exceeded 31 Trillion dollars.
The daily interest is 965 million dollars.

A few commentators (but not many) are suggesting that this might become a problem in the future.
No rush then.

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Big numbers on 22:30 - Oct 6 with 1506 viewsWeWereZombies

I guess they a running with that old adage about 'if you owe the bank a thousand dollars then you have a problem, if you owe the bank a million dollars then the bank has a problem...and if you owe the bank thirty one trillion dollars then you just give the bank a tour of those warhead silos in Kansas.'

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Big numbers on 22:43 - Oct 6 with 1468 viewsOldsmoker

Big numbers on 22:30 - Oct 6 by WeWereZombies

I guess they a running with that old adage about 'if you owe the bank a thousand dollars then you have a problem, if you owe the bank a million dollars then the bank has a problem...and if you owe the bank thirty one trillion dollars then you just give the bank a tour of those warhead silos in Kansas.'


I thought the US owned the US Federal reserve.
They just write cheques* to themselves.

* That's the proper spelling and the spellchecker is being a d*ck.

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Big numbers on 22:52 - Oct 6 with 1446 viewsStokieBlue

It's a problem for the purchasers more than it's a problem for the US.

They can afford the coupon and it they default it's not their problem.

However, it's a stupid way to run an economy that doesn't even have a universal NHS.

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Big numbers on 23:05 - Oct 6 with 1421 viewsJ2BLUE

That is not a big number. One day they will pay that debt off easily.


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Big numbers on 23:15 - Oct 6 with 1388 viewsPerublue

Big numbers on 22:43 - Oct 6 by Oldsmoker

I thought the US owned the US Federal reserve.
They just write cheques* to themselves.

* That's the proper spelling and the spellchecker is being a d*ck.


As they are American cheques they would be checks...so spellchecker was very clever,even if it didn't realise/realize.

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Big numbers on 23:36 - Oct 6 with 1342 viewsIllinoisblue

Who’s it owed to? I’ll be due a couple grand tax refund next year so hopefully they’ll be good for that at least.

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Big numbers on 00:15 - Oct 7 with 1305 viewsXYZ

Running a country's finances is not the same as running your household's.

They could print the money to "pay that off" and the world would say "Er, OK".

It's about who holds the wealth.

National debt is just under-taxed wealth.

Edit: added last line.

Who do you think is owed this "debt"?
[Post edited 7 Oct 2022 0:17]
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Big numbers on 00:32 - Oct 7 with 1278 viewsJ2BLUE

Big numbers on 00:15 - Oct 7 by XYZ

Running a country's finances is not the same as running your household's.

They could print the money to "pay that off" and the world would say "Er, OK".

It's about who holds the wealth.

National debt is just under-taxed wealth.

Edit: added last line.

Who do you think is owed this "debt"?
[Post edited 7 Oct 2022 0:17]


If they printed 31 trillion I think the world might take slightly more notice than you're suggesting...

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Big numbers on 00:40 - Oct 7 with 1264 viewsXYZ

Big numbers on 00:32 - Oct 7 by J2BLUE

If they printed 31 trillion I think the world might take slightly more notice than you're suggesting...


Who would complain?

Who do you think is owed the $31 trn?

It's just made up numbers.
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Big numbers on 00:45 - Oct 7 with 1255 viewsXYZ

Big numbers on 00:40 - Oct 7 by XYZ

Who would complain?

Who do you think is owed the $31 trn?

It's just made up numbers.


It's a number that the rich invent to say they are owed it by the poor.
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Big numbers on 09:35 - Oct 7 with 1002 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Big numbers on 00:40 - Oct 7 by XYZ

Who would complain?

Who do you think is owed the $31 trn?

It's just made up numbers.


You do realise of course a lot of the debt resides with other countries, and concerningly for the US increasingly held by China.

And of course it’s an issue if it becomes to large because it will make it more difficult and expensive to raise money externally. You can print more as we have done for far too many years but that just leads us to where we are now….
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Big numbers on 09:46 - Oct 7 with 981 viewsXYZ

Big numbers on 09:35 - Oct 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna

You do realise of course a lot of the debt resides with other countries, and concerningly for the US increasingly held by China.

And of course it’s an issue if it becomes to large because it will make it more difficult and expensive to raise money externally. You can print more as we have done for far too many years but that just leads us to where we are now….


What leads us to where we are now is under-taxing the wealthy.

What's China going to do? Invade?
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Big numbers on 09:59 - Oct 7 with 968 viewsWeWereZombies

Big numbers on 09:46 - Oct 7 by XYZ

What leads us to where we are now is under-taxing the wealthy.

What's China going to do? Invade?


Well, China could stop selling the United States cheap ('ish) electronic goods and watch some suffering. Latin America could notice and stop selling the United States fruit and other basic foodstuffs if Europe and Africa became more lucrative markets, likewise Canada and grain. Then the United States would be on its knees. And England could threaten to stop letting Nigel Farage visit...so I guess the United States would just accept the new normal.


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Big numbers on 10:15 - Oct 7 with 944 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Big numbers on 09:46 - Oct 7 by XYZ

What leads us to where we are now is under-taxing the wealthy.

What's China going to do? Invade?


I’ve said before - corporate taxes should be at least 50pc worldwide. Globalisation has allowed insane profits with some corporations now having capitalisations larger than some countries economies.

Unfortunately it’s a race to the bottom as countries compete to have the lowest rates. That and the many legitimate mechanisms for offshoring profit.
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Big numbers on 10:17 - Oct 7 with 937 viewsXYZ

Big numbers on 10:15 - Oct 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna

I’ve said before - corporate taxes should be at least 50pc worldwide. Globalisation has allowed insane profits with some corporations now having capitalisations larger than some countries economies.

Unfortunately it’s a race to the bottom as countries compete to have the lowest rates. That and the many legitimate mechanisms for offshoring profit.


The wealthy in the US (individuals and corps) are massively under-taxed - hence the mahoosive debt.
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Big numbers on 10:26 - Oct 7 with 921 viewsPinewoodblue

The cost is a lot higher than that.

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-debt/

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Big numbers on 11:26 - Oct 7 with 831 viewsHighgateBlue

Big numbers on 00:40 - Oct 7 by XYZ

Who would complain?

Who do you think is owed the $31 trn?

It's just made up numbers.


You understand that printing 31 trillion dollars would have an inflationary effect, right?
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Big numbers on 12:38 - Oct 7 with 753 viewsXYZ

Big numbers on 11:26 - Oct 7 by HighgateBlue

You understand that printing 31 trillion dollars would have an inflationary effect, right?


You know how much the UK has printed since 2010?
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