| Political football.....Iran. on 07:28 - Nov 25 with 1188 views | GlasgowBlue |
Yes, that is mentioned in Banksy’s link. The timing of Ghafouri‘s arrest is very sinister. As the article sheets it’s a warning to the players who are in Qatar. I wonder if some will attempt to claim asylum once they are out if the tournament.
Of course, The Iranian state is an awful regime that has been suppressing people’s human rights for decades. To think that some people have described Iran for its “inclusivity, tolerance and acceptance” |  |
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| Political football.....Iran. on 07:32 - Nov 25 with 1174 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Political football.....Iran. on 07:28 - Nov 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Yes, that is mentioned in Banksy’s link. The timing of Ghafouri‘s arrest is very sinister. As the article sheets it’s a warning to the players who are in Qatar. I wonder if some will attempt to claim asylum once they are out if the tournament.
Of course, The Iranian state is an awful regime that has been suppressing people’s human rights for decades. To think that some people have described Iran for its “inclusivity, tolerance and acceptance” |
I wonder how easy it is to claim political asylum in Qatar? |  |
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| Political football.....Iran. on 07:38 - Nov 25 with 1170 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Political football.....Iran. on 07:32 - Nov 25 by Lord_Lucan |
I wonder how easy it is to claim political asylum in Qatar? |
They could go to a western embassy. Although I would imagine they are very well guarded by Iranian security.
Qatar and Iran have a close relationship so they wouldn’t get much joy handing themselves in to the Qataris.
Edited for poor grammar. [Post edited 25 Nov 2022 7:42]
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| Political football.....Iran. on 07:40 - Nov 25 with 1168 views | bluelagos |
| Political football.....Iran. on 07:32 - Nov 25 by Lord_Lucan |
I wonder how easy it is to claim political asylum in Qatar? |
Indeed.
Or how they could get to the UK to claim asylum other than in a dingy and then face around 18 months, unable to work, whilst we decide whether their claim is genuine? A claim that you could probably decide in 18 minutes tbh. |  |
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| Political football.....Iran. on 07:40 - Nov 25 with 1160 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Political football.....Iran. on 07:38 - Nov 25 by GlasgowBlue |
They could go to a western embassy. Although I would imagine they are very well guarded by Iranian security.
Qatar and Iran have a close relationship so they wouldn’t get much joy handing themselves in to the Qataris.
Edited for poor grammar. [Post edited 25 Nov 2022 7:42]
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Yes, that is what I was getting at.
They're screwed. | |
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| Political football.....Iran. on 07:44 - Nov 25 with 1148 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Political football.....Iran. on 07:40 - Nov 25 by Lord_Lucan |
Yes, that is what I was getting at.
They're screwed. |
The US have the largest military base in the Middle East in Qatar. Their best bet would be to get to the US embassy. | |
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| Political football.....Iran. on 07:45 - Nov 25 with 1148 views | bluelagos |
| Political football.....Iran. on 07:40 - Nov 25 by Lord_Lucan |
Yes, that is what I was getting at.
They're screwed. |
They are.
And any players who opt not to return will have family back home. Iranian intelligence was recently active in London identifying Iranian protesters and threatening families back in Iran.
The regime will fall, hopefully sooner rather than later. [Post edited 25 Nov 2022 7:47]
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| Political football.....Iran. on 07:51 - Nov 25 with 1117 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Political football.....Iran. on 07:45 - Nov 25 by bluelagos |
They are.
And any players who opt not to return will have family back home. Iranian intelligence was recently active in London identifying Iranian protesters and threatening families back in Iran.
The regime will fall, hopefully sooner rather than later. [Post edited 25 Nov 2022 7:47]
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What is happening in Iran at the moment re the protests is genuinely amazing, the protesters know full well they are basically committing suicide.
I'd like to think i would have the bottle to do likewise - but I'm not so sure. | |
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| Political football.....Iran. on 07:52 - Nov 25 with 1113 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Political football.....Iran. on 07:45 - Nov 25 by bluelagos |
They are.
And any players who opt not to return will have family back home. Iranian intelligence was recently active in London identifying Iranian protesters and threatening families back in Iran.
The regime will fall, hopefully sooner rather than later. [Post edited 25 Nov 2022 7:47]
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It would be nice if when/if it happens they (the public) don't end up being fleeced by Westward facing businesses and institutions. I won't be holding my breath! |  |
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| Political football.....Iran. on 08:08 - Nov 25 with 1039 views | bluelagos |
| Political football.....Iran. on 07:51 - Nov 25 by Lord_Lucan |
What is happening in Iran at the moment re the protests is genuinely amazing, the protesters know full well they are basically committing suicide.
I'd like to think i would have the bottle to do likewise - but I'm not so sure. |
Yep, very humbling.
I always come back to an insight from a white, racist Afrikaaner colleague reflecting on the end of Apartheid. He said you can always oppress people, but soonerr or later they will rise up. And the more you oppress them, the harsher you oppress them, the bigger the uprising will be when it comes.
When it comes, I'd expect an awful lot of retribution to the "morality police" and the armed forces. Which is partly why they are so reluctant for change, they know what wil come their way. The lucky ones at the top of society will end up at the Hague. Many others won't get that luxury. | |
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| Political football.....Iran. on 08:17 - Nov 25 with 1007 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Political football.....Iran. on 08:08 - Nov 25 by bluelagos |
Yep, very humbling.
I always come back to an insight from a white, racist Afrikaaner colleague reflecting on the end of Apartheid. He said you can always oppress people, but soonerr or later they will rise up. And the more you oppress them, the harsher you oppress them, the bigger the uprising will be when it comes.
When it comes, I'd expect an awful lot of retribution to the "morality police" and the armed forces. Which is partly why they are so reluctant for change, they know what wil come their way. The lucky ones at the top of society will end up at the Hague. Many others won't get that luxury. |
Unfortunately though it's more likely going to be a case of "Meet the new Boss" | |
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| Political football.....Iran. on 09:27 - Nov 25 with 938 views | Guthrum |
| Political football.....Iran. on 08:08 - Nov 25 by bluelagos |
Yep, very humbling.
I always come back to an insight from a white, racist Afrikaaner colleague reflecting on the end of Apartheid. He said you can always oppress people, but soonerr or later they will rise up. And the more you oppress them, the harsher you oppress them, the bigger the uprising will be when it comes.
When it comes, I'd expect an awful lot of retribution to the "morality police" and the armed forces. Which is partly why they are so reluctant for change, they know what wil come their way. The lucky ones at the top of society will end up at the Hague. Many others won't get that luxury. |
Unless the Revolutionary Guard Corps is dismantled, there is little hope of change. They are the regime leadership's* private army - but would overthrow even the Ayatollas if they ever went against them. A law unto themselves, with vast business (and shadier) interests, there's a lot of money at stake. Large in numbers, well armed, equipped and politically invulnerable.
They have too much at stake in the current system to let it go quietly.
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| Political football.....Iran. on 09:29 - Nov 25 with 934 views | Guthrum |
| Political football.....Iran. on 07:44 - Nov 25 by GlasgowBlue |
The US have the largest military base in the Middle East in Qatar. Their best bet would be to get to the US embassy. |
Unfortunately, that would leave them open to accusations of "defecting to the enemy". | |
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| Political football.....Iran. on 09:58 - Nov 25 with 902 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
I'm almost in tears much like the Iran players mouthing the anthem.....that was f@cking painful.
Edit....fair to say their minds won't be on the game! [Post edited 25 Nov 2022 9:59]
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| Political football.....Iran. on 10:00 - Nov 25 with 888 views | Ryorry |
| Political football.....Iran. on 07:45 - Nov 25 by bluelagos |
They are.
And any players who opt not to return will have family back home. Iranian intelligence was recently active in London identifying Iranian protesters and threatening families back in Iran.
The regime will fall, hopefully sooner rather than later. [Post edited 25 Nov 2022 7:47]
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"Love me for what I am" tattoed along the forearm of one very brave Iran player, zoomed in on by BBC cameraman during the anthem.
Some Iran fans in the crowd in tears. [Post edited 25 Nov 2022 10:01]
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| Political football.....Iran. on 10:02 - Nov 25 with 882 views | LeoMuff |
| Political football.....Iran. on 09:58 - Nov 25 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I'm almost in tears much like the Iran players mouthing the anthem.....that was f@cking painful.
Edit....fair to say their minds won't be on the game! [Post edited 25 Nov 2022 9:59]
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Be amazed if they can focus on this, they looked very uncomfortable indeed, feel very sorry for them. |  |
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| Political football.....Iran. on 13:23 - Nov 25 with 765 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Political football.....Iran. on 10:02 - Nov 25 by LeoMuff |
Be amazed if they can focus on this, they looked very uncomfortable indeed, feel very sorry for them. |
Or, perhaps their passion for justice is motivation to play as well.
I found it notable how physical they were but also how they seemed to genuinely show concern for Welsh player's welfare after a challenge. |  |
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| Political football.....Iran. on 13:27 - Nov 25 with 752 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Political football.....Iran. on 13:23 - Nov 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Or, perhaps their passion for justice is motivation to play as well.
I found it notable how physical they were but also how they seemed to genuinely show concern for Welsh player's welfare after a challenge. |
Great result.....a nation is its people not its state. I only saw the anthems due to work but sounds like they were very driven. | |
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| Political football.....Iran. on 13:51 - Nov 25 with 710 views | Ryorry |
| Political football.....Iran. on 13:23 - Nov 25 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Or, perhaps their passion for justice is motivation to play as well.
I found it notable how physical they were but also how they seemed to genuinely show concern for Welsh player's welfare after a challenge. |
As did the Welsh players for them from what I saw (didn't see the whole game).
I was wondering/hoping that if Iran do well, this will result in some kind of positive benefit for its people - at the very least an extra day's holiday; maybe a temporary softening of the regime's attitude? and extra motivation for its people to keep going even more strongly and in greater numbers with their uprising. | |
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