| Narrow victories 08:44 - Jan 16 with 1498 views | thorpedo |
are not our thing. I thought that we only seem to win comfortably, or draw, so I did a bit of research. We have won only 5 league games by a 1 goal margin. By contrast, Plymouth have won 10, and Sheff Wed 9 by the odd goal. Just highlights that it is this inability to see games out that is costing us.
The fact that we have many more 'convincing' victories than the other two shows that we are arguably capable of a higher level of football, but obviously lack in the mentality/bottle department. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 10:57]
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| Narrow victories on 09:20 - Jan 16 with 1439 views | Guthrum |
Scoring a second and third goal IS a means of seeing a game out. A far superior one for Town, who are better going forwards than in defence. It's generally when we stop going forward and lapse into conventional "game management", inviting pressure, that things go wrong.
Our attack is better than our defence and that is what we should be using, even in the final minutes of a game. The opposition cannot score from their own box.
Edit: Makes for a healthy goal difference, too. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 9:29]
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| Narrow victories on 09:35 - Jan 16 with 1400 views | bobbyramsey |
| Narrow victories on 09:20 - Jan 16 by Guthrum |
Scoring a second and third goal IS a means of seeing a game out. A far superior one for Town, who are better going forwards than in defence. It's generally when we stop going forward and lapse into conventional "game management", inviting pressure, that things go wrong.
Our attack is better than our defence and that is what we should be using, even in the final minutes of a game. The opposition cannot score from their own box.
Edit: Makes for a healthy goal difference, too. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 9:29]
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You'd think that the one person to realise this would be KM, but for whatever reason, he doesn't and it's costing us dearly....... [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 9:37]
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| Narrow victories on 09:53 - Jan 16 with 1321 views | Guthrum |
| Narrow victories on 09:35 - Jan 16 by bobbyramsey |
You'd think that the one person to realise this would be KM, but for whatever reason, he doesn't and it's costing us dearly....... [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 9:37]
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There are probably factors not entirely within our control. Our own players running out of steam after a very energetic 80 or so minutes. The opposition making a last supreme effort to get something from the game. Breaks in play (like Saturday's late long injury) disrupting our rhythm and momentum.
Also the weight of football tradition. It goes against behaviour ingrained since youth to keep going flat out attack to the end when in front. The natural inclination is to defensively protect a small lead, not continue throwing men forward. McKenna is no more immune to that than the players themselves. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 9:53]
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| Narrow victories on 10:31 - Jan 16 with 1229 views | bobbyramsey |
| Narrow victories on 09:53 - Jan 16 by Guthrum |
There are probably factors not entirely within our control. Our own players running out of steam after a very energetic 80 or so minutes. The opposition making a last supreme effort to get something from the game. Breaks in play (like Saturday's late long injury) disrupting our rhythm and momentum.
Also the weight of football tradition. It goes against behaviour ingrained since youth to keep going flat out attack to the end when in front. The natural inclination is to defensively protect a small lead, not continue throwing men forward. McKenna is no more immune to that than the players themselves. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 9:53]
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Granted, things can go against you sometimes, but this is happening far too frequently to be written off as just bad luck or the "oppositions last supreme effort."
It would be nice if we could muster a "last supreme effort" once in a while but it seems beyond us when needed most. | | | |
| Narrow victories on 10:41 - Jan 16 with 1186 views | Lord_Lucan |
Another difference between teams destined to go up is the amount of late winners they score 90+5 etc |  |
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| Narrow victories on 10:45 - Jan 16 with 1185 views | Ryorry |
| Narrow victories on 09:53 - Jan 16 by Guthrum |
There are probably factors not entirely within our control. Our own players running out of steam after a very energetic 80 or so minutes. The opposition making a last supreme effort to get something from the game. Breaks in play (like Saturday's late long injury) disrupting our rhythm and momentum.
Also the weight of football tradition. It goes against behaviour ingrained since youth to keep going flat out attack to the end when in front. The natural inclination is to defensively protect a small lead, not continue throwing men forward. McKenna is no more immune to that than the players themselves. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 9:53]
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Sorry, but it’s entirely within KM’s control to have, eg, Aluko on the bench to see games out successfully with 3 points when we’re ahead, and since he has experience of that, it’s baffling why he didn’t allow for that option yesterday. Unless Sone was carrying an injury we don’t know about of course. |  |
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| Narrow victories on 10:47 - Jan 16 with 1178 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Narrow victories on 10:45 - Jan 16 by Ryorry |
Sorry, but it’s entirely within KM’s control to have, eg, Aluko on the bench to see games out successfully with 3 points when we’re ahead, and since he has experience of that, it’s baffling why he didn’t allow for that option yesterday. Unless Sone was carrying an injury we don’t know about of course. |
Quite a few strange decisions on sat. Fair play he's trying something so maybe he won't make such a mistake again.
But no Aluko or Luongo.
Morsy going over to inside forward
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| Narrow victories on 10:54 - Jan 16 with 1157 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Narrow victories on 10:41 - Jan 16 by Lord_Lucan |
Another difference between teams destined to go up is the amount of late winners they score 90+5 etc |
Rather than conceding them as we have developed a costly habit of doing. |  |
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| Narrow victories on 11:00 - Jan 16 with 1136 views | Guthrum |
| Narrow victories on 10:31 - Jan 16 by bobbyramsey |
Granted, things can go against you sometimes, but this is happening far too frequently to be written off as just bad luck or the "oppositions last supreme effort."
It would be nice if we could muster a "last supreme effort" once in a while but it seems beyond us when needed most. |
The opposition will always make a last supreme effort, as do we in reverse circumstances (didn't stop attacking at Wycombe, just couldn't break through).
Town have won almost 54% of games (plus drawing from a losing position three times), so I'd suggest we are making the effort far more often than not. There's only four games where we've lost points by conceding late (80+ minutes), as against three where we've gained points by scoring late ourselves - an aggregate of four points dropped.
All-in-all, Town have scored nine times in or after the 80th minute, our opponents five times. Which is not a bad ratio for late goals. | |
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| Narrow victories on 11:02 - Jan 16 with 1115 views | bobbyramsey |
| Narrow victories on 10:54 - Jan 16 by ITFC_Forever |
Rather than conceding them as we have developed a costly habit of doing. |
I bet teams love playing us.......
They know exactly what's going to happen lol. | | | |
| Narrow victories on 11:04 - Jan 16 with 1110 views | Guthrum |
| Narrow victories on 10:45 - Jan 16 by Ryorry |
Sorry, but it’s entirely within KM’s control to have, eg, Aluko on the bench to see games out successfully with 3 points when we’re ahead, and since he has experience of that, it’s baffling why he didn’t allow for that option yesterday. Unless Sone was carrying an injury we don’t know about of course. |
I agree with regard to Aluko, which fits in with the concept of attacking until the end rather than sitting back. With apologies to Keogh, I'd rather have seen Sone on the bench than him. | |
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| Narrow victories on 11:13 - Jan 16 with 1098 views | Guthrum |
| Narrow victories on 10:54 - Jan 16 by ITFC_Forever |
Rather than conceding them as we have developed a costly habit of doing. |
We haven't really, that's more an impression from a few games (notably Charlton) than a reality - see my post elsewhere in this thread.
Goals conceded in the first half have dropped us more than twice as many points as ones we let in late. | |
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| Narrow victories on 11:42 - Jan 16 with 1060 views | gringoblue |
| Narrow victories on 11:00 - Jan 16 by Guthrum |
The opposition will always make a last supreme effort, as do we in reverse circumstances (didn't stop attacking at Wycombe, just couldn't break through).
Town have won almost 54% of games (plus drawing from a losing position three times), so I'd suggest we are making the effort far more often than not. There's only four games where we've lost points by conceding late (80+ minutes), as against three where we've gained points by scoring late ourselves - an aggregate of four points dropped.
All-in-all, Town have scored nine times in or after the 80th minute, our opponents five times. Which is not a bad ratio for late goals. |
We've also been a tad unfortunate. We hit the woodwork in injury time against Plymouth (A) and Cheltenham (H) which had they dropped in would have seen another 3 points. We conceded big deflected goals in injury time against Plymouth (H) and Fleetwood (H) that cost us 4 points. These are fine margins / random outcomes which from a fan point of view you hope will even up.... I'm sure McKenna isn't thinking like that of course and will be trying to improve us. We can always get better, Charlton being the most obvious example where we brought it on ourselves. |  | | |
| Narrow victories on 12:38 - Jan 16 with 1018 views | LankHenners |
| Narrow victories on 10:45 - Jan 16 by Ryorry |
Sorry, but it’s entirely within KM’s control to have, eg, Aluko on the bench to see games out successfully with 3 points when we’re ahead, and since he has experience of that, it’s baffling why he didn’t allow for that option yesterday. Unless Sone was carrying an injury we don’t know about of course. |
I'd have had Aluko on the bench as well but there's no guarantee we'd have won if he was. Think people get a bit carried away by the result a lot of the time and end up convincing themselves that if a different solution was attempted then the outcome would definitely be different. |  |
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| Narrow victories on 12:47 - Jan 16 with 986 views | bobbyramsey |
| Narrow victories on 11:00 - Jan 16 by Guthrum |
The opposition will always make a last supreme effort, as do we in reverse circumstances (didn't stop attacking at Wycombe, just couldn't break through).
Town have won almost 54% of games (plus drawing from a losing position three times), so I'd suggest we are making the effort far more often than not. There's only four games where we've lost points by conceding late (80+ minutes), as against three where we've gained points by scoring late ourselves - an aggregate of four points dropped.
All-in-all, Town have scored nine times in or after the 80th minute, our opponents five times. Which is not a bad ratio for late goals. |
Interesting stats, certainly doesn't feel like that though...... | | | |
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