| Well, fancy that. on 09:09 - May 16 with 3352 views | DanTheMan |
Miriam Cates being an up and comer in the Tory party is a little frightening.
I've read other parts of her speech and you'd think it was something from the US.
The former biology teacher also used her speech to argue that falling birth rates were “the one overarching threat to British conservatism and indeed the whole of Western society”.
That rings alarm bells, it's verging on great replacement theory.
The other stuff about getting women out of work and back to being mothers is just typical evangelical nonsense. Perhaps no surprise either given the stated aims of the people running the conference.
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| Well, fancy that. on 09:23 - May 16 with 3315 views | bluelagos |
| Well, fancy that. on 09:09 - May 16 by DanTheMan |
Miriam Cates being an up and comer in the Tory party is a little frightening.
I've read other parts of her speech and you'd think it was something from the US.
The former biology teacher also used her speech to argue that falling birth rates were “the one overarching threat to British conservatism and indeed the whole of Western society”.
That rings alarm bells, it's verging on great replacement theory.
The other stuff about getting women out of work and back to being mothers is just typical evangelical nonsense. Perhaps no surprise either given the stated aims of the people running the conference.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-pri |
National conservatism ffs. We need you to breed or else we will continue to need high immigration.is right up there.
One hope is that these w@nkers are so far from the one nation side of the party that a party split could be on the cards |  |
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| Well, fancy that. on 09:24 - May 16 with 3318 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
In the same way that 'globalism' is somehow now an anti semitic term, I need someone to join the dots in relation to 'cultural Marxism.' It may be nonsense but how is it anti semitic.
Also in response to Dan, I am quite keen on making it easier for men to leave the work place too in order to be fathers. She probably isn't though. |  |
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| Well, fancy that. on 09:29 - May 16 with 3294 views | bluelagos |
| Well, fancy that. on 09:24 - May 16 by BanksterDebtSlave |
In the same way that 'globalism' is somehow now an anti semitic term, I need someone to join the dots in relation to 'cultural Marxism.' It may be nonsense but how is it anti semitic.
Also in response to Dan, I am quite keen on making it easier for men to leave the work place too in order to be fathers. She probably isn't though. |
The cultural Marxism bit just struck me as bizarre. The bit that worries me was how it had echos of the great replacement theory...namely that the white indigenous population is being "bred out" / replaced by higher breeding foreigners. | |
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| Well, fancy that. on 09:39 - May 16 with 3284 views | BlueBadger |
| Well, fancy that. on 09:23 - May 16 by bluelagos |
National conservatism ffs. We need you to breed or else we will continue to need high immigration.is right up there.
One hope is that these w@nkers are so far from the one nation side of the party that a party split could be on the cards |
Tories - WOMEN! Have more children
Also Tories - why did you have children when you can't afford them |  |
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| Well, fancy that. on 09:46 - May 16 with 3262 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well, fancy that. on 09:29 - May 16 by bluelagos |
The cultural Marxism bit just struck me as bizarre. The bit that worries me was how it had echos of the great replacement theory...namely that the white indigenous population is being "bred out" / replaced by higher breeding foreigners. |
The term “cultural Marxism” predates the “great replacement theory” by about 20 years. And in answer to Banksy the term”cultural Marxism” is just a new spin on “Cultural Bolshevism” and “Jewish Bolshevism” tropes used by the Nazis in order to exclude Jews from society in the early 1930’s which culminated in the extermination of 6 million people.
It’s association with antisemitism isn’t well known, but it’s been highlighted in the news enough lately to make it unforgivable for this MP to use it. Several of her colleges, including Tom Hunt have been publicly criticised for using it, so she would be aware how controversial it’s use is. |  |
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| Well, fancy that. on 09:57 - May 16 with 3239 views | DanTheMan |
| Well, fancy that. on 09:24 - May 16 by BanksterDebtSlave |
In the same way that 'globalism' is somehow now an anti semitic term, I need someone to join the dots in relation to 'cultural Marxism.' It may be nonsense but how is it anti semitic.
Also in response to Dan, I am quite keen on making it easier for men to leave the work place too in order to be fathers. She probably isn't though. |
I'm keen on people being able to do what they wish to do. However, they are specifically all about women getting back to just being little more than baby producing machines.
Of course they don't actually say how they will make it achievable to have a single bread winner in the current economic climate, they just vaguely talk about people being poisoned by education and other nonsense.
As well as the links posted above by Badger, Cultural Marxism is really just a rebranded Cultural Bolshevism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism | |
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| Well, fancy that. on 10:13 - May 16 with 3142 views | DJR |
| Well, fancy that. on 09:09 - May 16 by DanTheMan |
Miriam Cates being an up and comer in the Tory party is a little frightening.
I've read other parts of her speech and you'd think it was something from the US.
The former biology teacher also used her speech to argue that falling birth rates were “the one overarching threat to British conservatism and indeed the whole of Western society”.
That rings alarm bells, it's verging on great replacement theory.
The other stuff about getting women out of work and back to being mothers is just typical evangelical nonsense. Perhaps no surprise either given the stated aims of the people running the conference.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-pri |
The following statement, at the top of its website, is ironic given-
(a) US political and economic hegemony since WW2, and the desire to maintain it as evidenced by, say, the current struggle with China. and
(b) attempts by the organisation to transport its US-based "conservative" ideology to countries like the UK.
"A world of independent nations is the only alternative to universalist ideologies seeking to impose a homogenizing, locality-destroying imperium over the entire globe." |  | | |
| Well, fancy that. on 10:34 - May 16 with 3094 views | DJR |
| Well, fancy that. on 09:46 - May 16 by GlasgowBlue |
The term “cultural Marxism” predates the “great replacement theory” by about 20 years. And in answer to Banksy the term”cultural Marxism” is just a new spin on “Cultural Bolshevism” and “Jewish Bolshevism” tropes used by the Nazis in order to exclude Jews from society in the early 1930’s which culminated in the extermination of 6 million people.
It’s association with antisemitism isn’t well known, but it’s been highlighted in the news enough lately to make it unforgivable for this MP to use it. Several of her colleges, including Tom Hunt have been publicly criticised for using it, so she would be aware how controversial it’s use is. |
The frightening thing, I think, is that they know what they are doing.
Effectively, the right of the Tory Party is now far right, and they know there is an appetite out there for the type of rhetoric they are using.
It all appears to be designed to jockey for position after the election loss, and I dread to think what the Tory Party will be like then. | | | |
| Well, fancy that. on 10:37 - May 16 with 3058 views | Guthrum |
| Well, fancy that. on 09:23 - May 16 by bluelagos |
National conservatism ffs. We need you to breed or else we will continue to need high immigration.is right up there.
One hope is that these w@nkers are so far from the one nation side of the party that a party split could be on the cards |
It's only because they didn't want the word "socialist" in their title. |  |
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| Well, fancy that. on 10:41 - May 16 with 3026 views | BlueBadger |
| Well, fancy that. on 10:34 - May 16 by DJR |
The frightening thing, I think, is that they know what they are doing.
Effectively, the right of the Tory Party is now far right, and they know there is an appetite out there for the type of rhetoric they are using.
It all appears to be designed to jockey for position after the election loss, and I dread to think what the Tory Party will be like then. |
Unelectable, hopefully. | |
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| Well, fancy that. on 10:49 - May 16 with 3016 views | Herbivore |
| Well, fancy that. on 09:29 - May 16 by bluelagos |
The cultural Marxism bit just struck me as bizarre. The bit that worries me was how it had echos of the great replacement theory...namely that the white indigenous population is being "bred out" / replaced by higher breeding foreigners. |
You can 100% guarantee that anyone using the term cultural Marxism would not be able to coherently explain to you what it means. |  |
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| Well, fancy that. on 11:00 - May 16 with 2980 views | Darth_Koont |
Unnecessary side-swipe.
The only irony seems to be your willingness to do the right-wing’s bidding and perpetuate this nonsense. If you have to consistently misrepresent that incident and talk about ‘British’ rather than ‘English’ as in language (which was the real context) then you’re really just throwing mud. |  |
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| Well, fancy that. on 11:03 - May 16 with 2971 views | Guthrum |
What has to be remembered is that these people are not speaking to the country, the electorate, or even to Tory voters, but to the c. 170,000 actual members of the Conservative Party at a constituency level.
The ones who select candidates to stand for the Commons and elect the leader (if the existing MPs aren't able to impose their favoured candidate). They are blatantly jockying for position in the anticipated aftermath of Sunak losing power - or are deluded enough to think that an ultra hard line will appeal more than Risi's relative pragmatism*.
They are (and I have this on good authority, from a friend of a friend who works for a Conservative Association) largely barking mad. I also strongly suspect there was a considerable amount of entryism over the last decade from former UKIPers and other Brexity and reactionary groups. Very difficult to prove, as they keep their membership numbers carefully vague. Certainly, from anecdotal evidence, a lot of moderates appear to have left.
The rhetoric may seem shocking on many levels to most of us, but it isn't really for our consumption. Perhaps the speakers themselves don't even really believe this stuff. It is, instead, about rallying a hard core with pretty extreme views with the intention of leveraging that to gain power and influence.
Much like the people still squabbling over position and precedence in Hitler's bunker as the Soviet troops closed in, or Late Roman generals fighting each other over who got to lead the empire even as it was being destroyed by Germanic tribes.
* Having, perhaps wilfully, misread the circumstances and outcome of the 2019 General Election. | |
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| Well, fancy that. on 11:13 - May 16 with 2920 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well, fancy that. on 09:29 - May 16 by bluelagos |
The cultural Marxism bit just struck me as bizarre. The bit that worries me was how it had echos of the great replacement theory...namely that the white indigenous population is being "bred out" / replaced by higher breeding foreigners. |
This is worth a listen. It touches on “Cultural Marxism” but lots of historical lessons and obvious parallels we need to be aware of.
Word of Mouth: The Language of Fascism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001lqn3
Pretty clear that our mainstream parties and media can be seen as “pre-fascist” given their willingness to encourage an appeal to national values, othering of those who don’t fit and marginalising/demonisation of the left who “hate Britain” apparently because they want it to be a lot better for all its citizens.
Whether it turns into full-blown fascism depends on whether we slide deeper into it or we change direction. [Post edited 16 May 2023 11:14]
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| Well, fancy that. on 11:50 - May 16 with 2863 views | Guthrum |
| Well, fancy that. on 10:13 - May 16 by DJR |
The following statement, at the top of its website, is ironic given-
(a) US political and economic hegemony since WW2, and the desire to maintain it as evidenced by, say, the current struggle with China. and
(b) attempts by the organisation to transport its US-based "conservative" ideology to countries like the UK.
"A world of independent nations is the only alternative to universalist ideologies seeking to impose a homogenizing, locality-destroying imperium over the entire globe." |
It also has echoes of the US evangelical Christian right's fear of an Antichrist "One World Government" as part of their interpretation of the End Times in Revelation. | |
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| Well, fancy that. on 11:55 - May 16 with 2846 views | BlueBadger |
| Well, fancy that. on 11:00 - May 16 by Darth_Koont |
Unnecessary side-swipe.
The only irony seems to be your willingness to do the right-wing’s bidding and perpetuate this nonsense. If you have to consistently misrepresent that incident and talk about ‘British’ rather than ‘English’ as in language (which was the real context) then you’re really just throwing mud. |
Don't. Defend. Bigots. Just. Because. They're. On. Your. Team. | |
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| Well, fancy that. on 12:37 - May 16 with 2734 views | DJR |
| Well, fancy that. on 11:50 - May 16 by Guthrum |
It also has echoes of the US evangelical Christian right's fear of an Antichrist "One World Government" as part of their interpretation of the End Times in Revelation. |
I suppose what's going on now has its roots in the Moral Majority (or Moron Minority as I called it), formed by Jerry Falwell in 1979 and associated with the Republican Party and Christian right.
It was carried through by people like Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin, and has reached its zenith with Trump, despite the obvious lack of morality that he encompasses.
Of course, it works in the US because up to half the population are probably amenable to it, given the strength of the Christian right, but it is not clear to me that it has the same wide appeal in this country, not least because religion plays a much less prominent role in UK politics.
As result, putting all one's eggs in a US-based basket, as people like Braverman do, may not be the killer strategy that it is thought to be. [Post edited 16 May 2023 12:38]
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| Well, fancy that. on 12:52 - May 16 with 2679 views | Guthrum |
| Well, fancy that. on 12:37 - May 16 by DJR |
I suppose what's going on now has its roots in the Moral Majority (or Moron Minority as I called it), formed by Jerry Falwell in 1979 and associated with the Republican Party and Christian right.
It was carried through by people like Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin, and has reached its zenith with Trump, despite the obvious lack of morality that he encompasses.
Of course, it works in the US because up to half the population are probably amenable to it, given the strength of the Christian right, but it is not clear to me that it has the same wide appeal in this country, not least because religion plays a much less prominent role in UK politics.
As result, putting all one's eggs in a US-based basket, as people like Braverman do, may not be the killer strategy that it is thought to be. [Post edited 16 May 2023 12:38]
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However, it's also a matter of where the support - particularly financial - comes from.
Wealthy US donors are prepared to put their money into spreading this world-view internationally, in much the same way as the backing for some elements of the pro-Brexit movement has been alleged to point in the direction of Russia (who would benefit from a weakening of the EU). | |
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| Well, fancy that. on 14:09 - May 16 with 2577 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Indeed it was - the barely hidden ‘Singapore on Sea’, and Lettuce-gate was an attempt to accelerate it.
The recent bank failings in the US where regulations are lighter touch, should be seen as a warning. It will be a series of (deliberately) barely noticed gradual relaxations in the City rather than a headline grabbing ’big bang’. |  | | |
| Well, fancy that. on 14:26 - May 16 with 2513 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well, fancy that. on 11:55 - May 16 by BlueBadger |
Don't. Defend. Bigots. Just. Because. They're. On. Your. Team. |
Don’t. Push. Smears. | |
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| Well, fancy that. on 16:34 - May 16 with 2343 views | DanTheMan |
That's one hell of a speech, in a horrid way. | |
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