| This is going to end well isn't it? 08:38 - May 30 with 1595 views | BlueBadger |
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/28/met-police-to-stop-attending-eme
I can't say as that I blame them, but it's got the potential for some shocking PR for the Met and for some genuinely preventable tragic events occurring.
The Met will be blamed for those tragedies but the true culprit will be a decade or more of wilful neglect at governmental level. [Post edited 30 May 2023 13:07]
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| This i going to end well isn't it? on 08:42 - May 30 with 1545 views | DanTheMan |
It's definitely "right" from the point of view that they shouldn't be the ones having to deal with it.
The issue is that every other service is so underfunded that it will just end up with nobody else responding. It also shows a lack of joined up thinking which has plagued the UK since austerity.
Rowley claims in his letter that Met police officers spend 10,000 hours a month dealing with mental health issues, and that it takes up to 14 hours to hand a patient over to medical staff.
Underfunding connected services will inevitably lead to any issues spreading into those connections. Same deal as people taking up beds in hospitals because councils are not funded enough to deal with social care problems. |  |
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| This i going to end well isn't it? on 08:43 - May 30 with 1540 views | Herbivore |
I saw that the other day and whilst I don't disagree with the principle, without investing serious amounts into mental health services it's a recipe for disaster. Mental health services can't cope with the existing work they have to do, providing an emergency response is well beyond them. I fear this will end very badly. |  |
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| This i going to end well isn't it? on 09:19 - May 30 with 1447 views | NthQldITFC |
I know fk all about economics (as anyone reading my posts will know) but I have a strong suspicion that any modern country could produce enough to provide decent public services - like policing, health, transport, food, heating - IF the overwhelming ethos of that country was not unfettered, egocentric, materialistic acquisitiveness from top to bottom.
Reset now or die would be my advice to Britain, her government, her corporations and her people. The breakdown of society will destroy the rich just as much as it destroys the poor - actually in some ways more so.
Success would be a baseline healthy, happy society with some stratification so long as it doesn't undermine that society or the natural environment. |  |
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| This i going to end well isn't it? on 09:23 - May 30 with 1425 views | BlueBadger |
| This i going to end well isn't it? on 08:43 - May 30 by Herbivore |
I saw that the other day and whilst I don't disagree with the principle, without investing serious amounts into mental health services it's a recipe for disaster. Mental health services can't cope with the existing work they have to do, providing an emergency response is well beyond them. I fear this will end very badly. |
One thing I've never understood is why the police(who are not trained healthcare professionals) have the ability to be able to directly section('136' as it's known the trade) people in mental health crisis, but paramedics can't and people suffering acute mental health episodes then have to take their chances in ED.
Or indeed, why people primarily trained to manage emergencies requiring acute medical intervention for a physical problem are sent out to people in mental health crisis. We surely need, along with actual proper community provision, support services and better training for the primary health sector, a dedicated wing of the emergency services for this? [Post edited 30 May 2023 15:14]
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| This i going to end well isn't it? on 09:25 - May 30 with 1412 views | BlueBadger |
| This i going to end well isn't it? on 08:42 - May 30 by DanTheMan |
It's definitely "right" from the point of view that they shouldn't be the ones having to deal with it.
The issue is that every other service is so underfunded that it will just end up with nobody else responding. It also shows a lack of joined up thinking which has plagued the UK since austerity.
Rowley claims in his letter that Met police officers spend 10,000 hours a month dealing with mental health issues, and that it takes up to 14 hours to hand a patient over to medical staff.
Underfunding connected services will inevitably lead to any issues spreading into those connections. Same deal as people taking up beds in hospitals because councils are not funded enough to deal with social care problems. |
I'm pretty sur eI said similar regarding an annual winter crisis around 2015.
I'm not searching back THAR far though my posts, though. | |
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| This i going to end well isn't it? on 10:03 - May 30 with 1343 views | Guthrum |
| This i going to end well isn't it? on 09:23 - May 30 by BlueBadger |
One thing I've never understood is why the police(who are not trained healthcare professionals) have the ability to be able to directly section('136' as it's known the trade) people in mental health crisis, but paramedics can't and people suffering acute mental health episodes then have to take their chances in ED.
Or indeed, why people primarily trained to manage emergencies requiring acute medical intervention for a physical problem are sent out to people in mental health crisis. We surely need, along with actual proper community provision, support services and better training for the primary health sector, a dedicated wing of the emergency services for this? [Post edited 30 May 2023 15:14]
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The policy of "Care" In The Community led to a gutting of - admittedly often antiquated - mental healthcare provision. MH bed numbers declined by up to 90% in some areas as old hospitals closed without replacement, for example.
I would imagine curing physical injuries and illnesses is a lot more attractive for potential recruits than sitting for hours with someone having irrational panic attacks or attempting to commit suicide (at the very least telling you they're going to, which is nearly as bad) which you can do nothing about.
With an ageing population (more susceptible to Alzheimer's/dementia), everyone more openly stressed and many, particularly the young, still reeling from the shock of Covid and lockdowns, the scale of the problem is massively increased. The facilities are not there to cope and neither can family members who are untrained, unable to prescribe medication and themselves struggling to make ends meet.
What do you do when someone becomes violent or desperate? Call the police. An ambulance, if they send one at all, will take hours and the crews are not supposed to deal with aggressive patients. The police are themselves overstretched, so you can't blame them for not welcoming the extra work.
But, of course, in a tax-cut-bribe political world, nobody wants to address the eye-watering bill for starting to rectify this situation. Even though it would considerably increase the quality of many people's lives, both patients and relatives/friends. |  |
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| This i going to end well isn't it? on 10:30 - May 30 with 1297 views | Guthrum |
| This i going to end well isn't it? on 09:19 - May 30 by NthQldITFC |
I know fk all about economics (as anyone reading my posts will know) but I have a strong suspicion that any modern country could produce enough to provide decent public services - like policing, health, transport, food, heating - IF the overwhelming ethos of that country was not unfettered, egocentric, materialistic acquisitiveness from top to bottom.
Reset now or die would be my advice to Britain, her government, her corporations and her people. The breakdown of society will destroy the rich just as much as it destroys the poor - actually in some ways more so.
Success would be a baseline healthy, happy society with some stratification so long as it doesn't undermine that society or the natural environment. |
The issue being that for decades now the individual has been championed over society. Selflessness is often equated with foolishness.
That is itself a reaction to preceding generations when both socially and politically the individual was subsumed into the whole. It culminated in the terrible sacrifices of the World Wars (and the Soviet system in eastern Europe), after which people rebelled against communalist philosophies.
It's not completely gone. Most people grumbled but pulled together during Covid lockdowns. However, that sense of societal duty is further undermined by revelations of misbehaviour by those at the top - especially if they are then shielded by the Establishment*.
* This itself is an interesting distinction. In communalist societies, those with the greatest privilege face the sternest consequences for failing to do their duty. In individualist ones, they receive the greatest protection over any such misdemeanours. | |
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| This i going to end well isn't it? on 12:47 - May 30 with 1137 views | Pendejo |
If it doesn't make a profit or involve Brown envelopes stuffed with cash the Tories aren't interested.
And if it looks bad for them they change the way in which things are recorded so they can shout about the great work they've done.
feck the Tories and everyone who voted for them |  |
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| This i going to end well isn't it? on 18:14 - May 30 with 944 views | factual_blue |
| This i going to end well isn't it? on 09:19 - May 30 by NthQldITFC |
I know fk all about economics (as anyone reading my posts will know) but I have a strong suspicion that any modern country could produce enough to provide decent public services - like policing, health, transport, food, heating - IF the overwhelming ethos of that country was not unfettered, egocentric, materialistic acquisitiveness from top to bottom.
Reset now or die would be my advice to Britain, her government, her corporations and her people. The breakdown of society will destroy the rich just as much as it destroys the poor - actually in some ways more so.
Success would be a baseline healthy, happy society with some stratification so long as it doesn't undermine that society or the natural environment. |
At the end of the day, I'm afraid to say that the problem is that the tories are in hock to a small crew of people who think, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that the USA has Got It All Sorted. |  |
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