| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 21:45 - Jun 23 with 3531 views | Guthrum |
It really does look like things are kicking off between Prigozhin and the military this time. One wonders how much authority Putin has over the situation any more. |  |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 21:51 - Jun 23 with 3507 views | Churchman |
Yes, read this.
The Wagner Group boss Yevgeny Prigozhin: my money is on suicide. Accidentally shooting himself a dozen times. He may of course accidentally fall out of a window or have a heart attack but he’s dead man walking. |  | | |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 21:56 - Jun 23 with 3484 views | Guthrum |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 21:51 - Jun 23 by Churchman |
Yes, read this.
The Wagner Group boss Yevgeny Prigozhin: my money is on suicide. Accidentally shooting himself a dozen times. He may of course accidentally fall out of a window or have a heart attack but he’s dead man walking. |
However, Prigozhin is surrounded by 20,000 heavily-armed fighters, including former elite troops, loyal only to him. Not enough to defeat the Russian Army (if the latter fights), but sufficient to stop any casual attempt at assassination.
Even a brief civil conflict is likely to severely weaken the Russian forces facing Ukraine's offensive.
Edit: I suspect the military may have given Putin an ultimatum to crush Prigozhin or they would mount a coup. [Post edited 23 Jun 2023 21:57]
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 21:58 - Jun 23 with 3476 views | Steve_M |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 21:56 - Jun 23 by Guthrum |
However, Prigozhin is surrounded by 20,000 heavily-armed fighters, including former elite troops, loyal only to him. Not enough to defeat the Russian Army (if the latter fights), but sufficient to stop any casual attempt at assassination.
Even a brief civil conflict is likely to severely weaken the Russian forces facing Ukraine's offensive.
Edit: I suspect the military may have given Putin an ultimatum to crush Prigozhin or they would mount a coup. [Post edited 23 Jun 2023 21:57]
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Depends how much ammunition they have access to perhaps.
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 21:59 - Jun 23 with 3462 views | Guthrum |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 21:58 - Jun 23 by Steve_M |
Depends how much ammunition they have access to perhaps.
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Conscripts and policemen are going to have a hard time facing battle-hardened Wagner forces. | |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 22:09 - Jun 23 with 3431 views | GlasgowBlue |
Are they playing Swan Lake on Russian TV tonight? |  |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 22:23 - Jun 23 with 3359 views | BigCommon |
Just heard it's kicking off on the front lines around Bahkmut, too.... Wagner and some RU military are shooting each other. With some RU more aligned to Wagner and shooting their own.... Moscow has gone into "Fortress mode". Reported gun fights in Moscow suburbs, Wagner forces and Russian troops.. Wagner are attempting a military coup. |  | | |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 22:26 - Jun 23 with 3330 views | BloomBlue |
If Wagner did win, the one thing you could guarantee is the use of nuclear weapons dropped on Ukraine |  | | |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 22:29 - Jun 23 with 3319 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 22:23 - Jun 23 by BigCommon |
Just heard it's kicking off on the front lines around Bahkmut, too.... Wagner and some RU military are shooting each other. With some RU more aligned to Wagner and shooting their own.... Moscow has gone into "Fortress mode". Reported gun fights in Moscow suburbs, Wagner forces and Russian troops.. Wagner are attempting a military coup. |
Here is hoping this is the beginning of the end. Still more horrific loss of life but hopefully a step closer to a more just end to the war than might have been hoped.
Loss of life through the war came close to home for me today.
Horrific. |  |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 22:39 - Jun 23 with 3284 views | Churchman |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 21:56 - Jun 23 by Guthrum |
However, Prigozhin is surrounded by 20,000 heavily-armed fighters, including former elite troops, loyal only to him. Not enough to defeat the Russian Army (if the latter fights), but sufficient to stop any casual attempt at assassination.
Even a brief civil conflict is likely to severely weaken the Russian forces facing Ukraine's offensive.
Edit: I suspect the military may have given Putin an ultimatum to crush Prigozhin or they would mount a coup. [Post edited 23 Jun 2023 21:57]
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I haven’t been keeping up with this. From what I’ve read now I see little alternative but for Putin and the Russian military to crush Prigoshin and his fighters. Not as easy as it sounds given the state of the war with Ukraine and the numbers of Wagner group, should they support their leader.
If you’re Putin you want Prigoshin offed quickly. | | | |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 22:39 - Jun 23 with 3281 views | Guthrum |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 22:26 - Jun 23 by BloomBlue |
If Wagner did win, the one thing you could guarantee is the use of nuclear weapons dropped on Ukraine |
I doubt it. Whoever wins a civil war will be more concerned with consolidating power than doing something which it has clearly been stated will have serious consequences. | |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 22:46 - Jun 23 with 3271 views | Guthrum |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 22:39 - Jun 23 by Churchman |
I haven’t been keeping up with this. From what I’ve read now I see little alternative but for Putin and the Russian military to crush Prigoshin and his fighters. Not as easy as it sounds given the state of the war with Ukraine and the numbers of Wagner group, should they support their leader.
If you’re Putin you want Prigoshin offed quickly. |
Putin may have little choice in the matter. Could be the military running things now, with him merely a figurehead.
They are the one force in Russia which could depose him (but will probably be careful not to do it overtly, so as not to upset public opinion). | |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 22:48 - Jun 23 with 3272 views | Steve_M |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 22:39 - Jun 23 by Churchman |
I haven’t been keeping up with this. From what I’ve read now I see little alternative but for Putin and the Russian military to crush Prigoshin and his fighters. Not as easy as it sounds given the state of the war with Ukraine and the numbers of Wagner group, should they support their leader.
If you’re Putin you want Prigoshin offed quickly. |
Yeah, most likely outcome, I liked this reply though:
None of this is good for Russia militarily in the short-term which is good news.
[Post edited 23 Jun 2023 23:05]
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 23:05 - Jun 23 with 3188 views | Steve_M |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 23:32 - Jun 23 with 3084 views | Guthrum |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 23:05 - Jun 23 by Steve_M |
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All light armoured vehicles, no tanks or heavy equipment. That's crowd control stuff, not going to stop an assault by front-line troops. | |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 23:52 - Jun 23 with 2998 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 22:23 - Jun 23 by BigCommon |
Just heard it's kicking off on the front lines around Bahkmut, too.... Wagner and some RU military are shooting each other. With some RU more aligned to Wagner and shooting their own.... Moscow has gone into "Fortress mode". Reported gun fights in Moscow suburbs, Wagner forces and Russian troops.. Wagner are attempting a military coup. |
Is this def info? Is it because the new kit wasn't released this morning? |  |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 00:17 - Jun 24 with 2952 views | BigCommon |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 23:52 - Jun 23 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Is this def info? Is it because the new kit wasn't released this morning? |
It's definite info, although comes from a pro Ukrainian YT Channel. They did a " breaking news" feature, which they don't normally do.... The channel is called " The Enforcer" | | | |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 00:29 - Jun 24 with 2923 views | Guthrum |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 00:17 - Jun 24 by BigCommon |
It's definite info, although comes from a pro Ukrainian YT Channel. They did a " breaking news" feature, which they don't normally do.... The channel is called " The Enforcer" |
Rumours of a Wagner column advancing on Rostov-on-Don. | |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 06:27 - Jun 24 with 2649 views | WeWereZombies |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 23:52 - Jun 23 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Is this def info? Is it because the new kit wasn't released this morning? |
I know the BBC has taken a nosedive in MailTwitLand over recent years but even they have replaced the Thunderbird Four story this morning:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-66006142
[edit] 'Residents of the city, near the Ukraine border, have been told to stay calm and remain indoors' - because nothing helps in keeping calm quite like being told to stay indoors... [Post edited 24 Jun 2023 6:31]
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 06:43 - Jun 24 with 2621 views | Churchman |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 00:29 - Jun 24 by Guthrum |
Rumours of a Wagner column advancing on Rostov-on-Don. |
CNN:
‘Russia's FSB security service accused Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin of calling for an "armed rebellion" when he vowed retaliation after claiming Moscow's military killed a "huge amount" of his mercenaries in a strike on a camp.
In a stunning series of late-night developments, the FSB urged Wagner fighters to "stop the columns" and detain their leader. Russian state TV interrupted programming Friday night to report a defense ministry statement claiming Prigozhin's comments did not correspond to reality.
Security has been stepped up around Moscow – whose mayor said "anti-terrorist measures" are being carried out – and in the city of Rostov near southeast Ukraine, state media reported.’
Even if this is journo rubbish, something is clearly happening and it looks like Prigozhin is trying a coup of some description. How he can do this against such a large army, I don’t know but he must rate his chances because if he fails, he’s a dead man.
All this is interesting in that if a well known, popular man in Russia says what he has about the war, it’s bound to cast doubts in the minds of the people and Putin’s army. As for Ukraine, it’s of course helpful. | | | |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 08:14 - Jun 24 with 2538 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 00:29 - Jun 24 by Guthrum |
Rumours of a Wagner column advancing on Rostov-on-Don. |
Now in Voronezh. 6 hours from Moscow. | |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 08:22 - Jun 24 with 2493 views | DJR |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 00:29 - Jun 24 by Guthrum |
Rumours of a Wagner column advancing on Rostov-on-Don. |
My god! Isn't that close to Doncaster? |  | | |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 08:27 - Jun 24 with 2469 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 08:22 - Jun 24 by DJR |
My god! Isn't that close to Doncaster? |
Tanks seen advancing on Royston Vasey. | |
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