| [Redacted] on 08:30 - Jun 24 with 1920 views | victorywilhappen |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 08:14 - Jun 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Now in Voronezh. 6 hours from Moscow. |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 08:35 - Jun 24 with 1893 views | Guthrum |
Tho most of the casualties were among the prison "volunteers", not the hard core of experienced men. |  |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 08:38 - Jun 24 with 1860 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 08:35 - Jun 24 by Guthrum |
Tho most of the casualties were among the prison "volunteers", not the hard core of experienced men. |
Fascinating conversation in Rostov.
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 08:42 - Jun 24 with 1860 views | JohnTy |
Putin's address:
"Actions that split our unity are, in fact, apostasy from one’s own people, from comrades-in-arms who are now fighting at the front. This is a stab in the back of our country and our people. It was such a blow that was dealt to Russia in 1917, when the country was waging the First World War. But the victory was stolen from her. Intrigues, squabbles, politicking behind the backs of the army and the people turned into the greatest shock, the destruction of the army and the collapse of the state, the loss of vast territories. As a result, the tragedy of the civil war. Russians killed Russians, brothers - brothers, and all sorts of political adventurers and foreign forces, who divided the country, tore it apart, took selfish gain.
We won't let this happen again. We will protect both our people and our statehood from any threats. Including - from internal betrayal. And what we are faced with is precisely a betrayal. Exorbitant ambitions and personal interests led to treason. To betray our country, our people, and the cause for which, side by side with our other units and subunits, the soldiers and commanders of the Wagner group fought and died. " |  | | |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 08:51 - Jun 24 with 1822 views | Guthrum |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 08:42 - Jun 24 by JohnTy |
Putin's address:
"Actions that split our unity are, in fact, apostasy from one’s own people, from comrades-in-arms who are now fighting at the front. This is a stab in the back of our country and our people. It was such a blow that was dealt to Russia in 1917, when the country was waging the First World War. But the victory was stolen from her. Intrigues, squabbles, politicking behind the backs of the army and the people turned into the greatest shock, the destruction of the army and the collapse of the state, the loss of vast territories. As a result, the tragedy of the civil war. Russians killed Russians, brothers - brothers, and all sorts of political adventurers and foreign forces, who divided the country, tore it apart, took selfish gain.
We won't let this happen again. We will protect both our people and our statehood from any threats. Including - from internal betrayal. And what we are faced with is precisely a betrayal. Exorbitant ambitions and personal interests led to treason. To betray our country, our people, and the cause for which, side by side with our other units and subunits, the soldiers and commanders of the Wagner group fought and died. " |
I presume he's referring to Kerensky, otherwise he stands to upset the old Communists (some of whom are still in politics under other names). | |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 09:08 - Jun 24 with 1791 views | WeWereZombies |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 08:51 - Jun 24 by Guthrum |
I presume he's referring to Kerensky, otherwise he stands to upset the old Communists (some of whom are still in politics under other names). |
Maybe not, using a concept like apostasy and referring to 1917 as a terrible event smack of having the Russian Orthodox church on his shoulder and whispering into his ear. |  |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 09:10 - Jun 24 with 1786 views | Guthrum |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 09:08 - Jun 24 by WeWereZombies |
Maybe not, using a concept like apostasy and referring to 1917 as a terrible event smack of having the Russian Orthodox church on his shoulder and whispering into his ear. |
Indeed. Interesting choice of language. | |
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| [Redacted] on 09:34 - Jun 24 with 1740 views | victorywilhappen |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 08:35 - Jun 24 by Guthrum |
Tho most of the casualties were among the prison "volunteers", not the hard core of experienced men. |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 10:57 - Jun 24 with 1635 views | Pinewoodblue |
Going to be interesting to see how Ukraine react.
Do they attack in strength in anticipation of the Russian chain of command being in disarray? |  |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 10:57 - Jun 24 with 1634 views | GeoffSentence |
My Russian isnt up to much so I will hav to rely on the translation
'Putin is a pussy'
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 11:00 - Jun 24 with 1630 views | WeWereZombies |
Interesting, once you separate the opinion from the actual reportage. | |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 11:13 - Jun 24 with 1613 views | Churchman |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 08:42 - Jun 24 by JohnTy |
Putin's address:
"Actions that split our unity are, in fact, apostasy from one’s own people, from comrades-in-arms who are now fighting at the front. This is a stab in the back of our country and our people. It was such a blow that was dealt to Russia in 1917, when the country was waging the First World War. But the victory was stolen from her. Intrigues, squabbles, politicking behind the backs of the army and the people turned into the greatest shock, the destruction of the army and the collapse of the state, the loss of vast territories. As a result, the tragedy of the civil war. Russians killed Russians, brothers - brothers, and all sorts of political adventurers and foreign forces, who divided the country, tore it apart, took selfish gain.
We won't let this happen again. We will protect both our people and our statehood from any threats. Including - from internal betrayal. And what we are faced with is precisely a betrayal. Exorbitant ambitions and personal interests led to treason. To betray our country, our people, and the cause for which, side by side with our other units and subunits, the soldiers and commanders of the Wagner group fought and died. " |
A full bore rant then. Can’t imagine that many will understand what he’s on about, but then his audience is his internal enemies, perceived and real. |  | | |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 11:29 - Jun 24 with 1596 views | Steve_M |
This is a good point too, Wagner is all over various African countries:
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 13:45 - Jun 24 with 1518 views | Steve_M |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 18:20 - Jun 24 with 1368 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 11:29 - Jun 24 by Steve_M |
This is a good point too, Wagner is all over various African countries:
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This is a good read on the subject
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 18:32 - Jun 24 with 1352 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Looks like they all made friends again.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/23/russia-ukraine-war-live-russi
Belarus president says Progzhin accepted de-escalation proposal
The office of Belarus president Alexander Lukashenko just announced that Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin accepted a proposal to “stop the movement of armed persons of the Wagner company on the territory of Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tensions,” the president’s office said, with similar reporting in Russian news outlets.
The statement said that Vladimir Putin briefed Lukashenko in the morning and, with his approval, Lukashenko held negotiating talks with Prigozhin.
“Negotiations continued throughout the day. As a result, they came to agreements on the inadmissibility of unleashing a bloody massacre on the territory of Russia,” the statement read.
Wagner nor Prigozhin has not commented on the negotiations. |  |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 18:45 - Jun 24 with 1326 views | Churchman |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 18:32 - Jun 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Looks like they all made friends again.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/23/russia-ukraine-war-live-russi
Belarus president says Progzhin accepted de-escalation proposal
The office of Belarus president Alexander Lukashenko just announced that Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin accepted a proposal to “stop the movement of armed persons of the Wagner company on the territory of Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tensions,” the president’s office said, with similar reporting in Russian news outlets.
The statement said that Vladimir Putin briefed Lukashenko in the morning and, with his approval, Lukashenko held negotiating talks with Prigozhin.
“Negotiations continued throughout the day. As a result, they came to agreements on the inadmissibility of unleashing a bloody massacre on the territory of Russia,” the statement read.
Wagner nor Prigozhin has not commented on the negotiations. |
It’s back to base for Wagner. De escalation. Assuming Putin has sufficient reliable people, there will be a massive purge starting with Prigozhin. He’s done if the reports coming out are correct and Wager are doing a u turn..
One thing you can guarantee is the Strong Man will behave to type. There’s no way back from an accusation of armed militant. The crises has a long way to go.
Because under the news, what’s actually happening? Are Putin’s incompetent generals obeying orders? Are his soldiers happy to die? Are the Russian people happy to see husbands and children arrive home in boxes?
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 18:54 - Jun 24 with 1304 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 18:32 - Jun 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Looks like they all made friends again.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/23/russia-ukraine-war-live-russi
Belarus president says Progzhin accepted de-escalation proposal
The office of Belarus president Alexander Lukashenko just announced that Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin accepted a proposal to “stop the movement of armed persons of the Wagner company on the territory of Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tensions,” the president’s office said, with similar reporting in Russian news outlets.
The statement said that Vladimir Putin briefed Lukashenko in the morning and, with his approval, Lukashenko held negotiating talks with Prigozhin.
“Negotiations continued throughout the day. As a result, they came to agreements on the inadmissibility of unleashing a bloody massacre on the territory of Russia,” the statement read.
Wagner nor Prigozhin has not commented on the negotiations. |
If Putin has given concessions to Wagner then he’s finished. | |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 19:02 - Jun 24 with 1274 views | StokieBlue |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 18:54 - Jun 24 by GlasgowBlue |
If Putin has given concessions to Wagner then he’s finished. |
Hard to see how Prigozhin doesn't end up out of a hospital window over the next few weeks.
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 19:08 - Jun 24 with 1251 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 19:02 - Jun 24 by StokieBlue |
Hard to see how Prigozhin doesn't end up out of a hospital window over the next few weeks.
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Not remotely convinced of the bona fides of this. No logic at all in Progozhin stopping now. If you take a shot at the king, you have to succeed. |  | | |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 19:20 - Jun 24 with 1227 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 19:02 - Jun 24 by StokieBlue |
Hard to see how Prigozhin doesn't end up out of a hospital window over the next few weeks.
SB [Post edited 24 Jun 2023 19:23]
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And he doesn't even have his cash to pay the bill now! | |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 19:27 - Jun 24 with 1210 views | J2BLUE |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 18:32 - Jun 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Looks like they all made friends again.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/23/russia-ukraine-war-live-russi
Belarus president says Progzhin accepted de-escalation proposal
The office of Belarus president Alexander Lukashenko just announced that Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin accepted a proposal to “stop the movement of armed persons of the Wagner company on the territory of Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tensions,” the president’s office said, with similar reporting in Russian news outlets.
The statement said that Vladimir Putin briefed Lukashenko in the morning and, with his approval, Lukashenko held negotiating talks with Prigozhin.
“Negotiations continued throughout the day. As a result, they came to agreements on the inadmissibility of unleashing a bloody massacre on the territory of Russia,” the statement read.
Wagner nor Prigozhin has not commented on the negotiations. |
To me that suggests Putin could be in Belarus. Seems odd to let Lukashenko negotiate. Lukashenko is supposed to be the puppet.
Progzhin has clearly been given some sort of deal as he looks a bit stupid on the surface just randomly deciding to turn around. He must have something to show for it. |  |
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 19:30 - Jun 24 with 1196 views | StokieBlue |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 19:27 - Jun 24 by J2BLUE |
To me that suggests Putin could be in Belarus. Seems odd to let Lukashenko negotiate. Lukashenko is supposed to be the puppet.
Progzhin has clearly been given some sort of deal as he looks a bit stupid on the surface just randomly deciding to turn around. He must have something to show for it. |
He's in St. Petersburg apparently.
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| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 19:43 - Jun 24 with 1150 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Those following the special military operation may want to grab popcorn on 19:27 - Jun 24 by J2BLUE |
To me that suggests Putin could be in Belarus. Seems odd to let Lukashenko negotiate. Lukashenko is supposed to be the puppet.
Progzhin has clearly been given some sort of deal as he looks a bit stupid on the surface just randomly deciding to turn around. He must have something to show for it. |
Maybe they agreed to give him his 4 billion roubles back.
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2023/06/24/Russia-s-Prigozhin-Cash-foun | |
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