| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 08:26 - Jun 10 with 1552 views | NthQldITFC |
Science has been giving us the evidence in the conventional methodical way.
Media have been presenting the evidence in the standard fleeting way.
Industry has been burying the evidence in the business as usual manipulative way.
We have been ignoring the evidence in the normal disinterested way.
- 'conventional', 'standard', 'usual', 'normal' is achieving fkn nothing and we are way out of our depth.
Politics at the moment is sh!t, but the swing away from the already pathetically tepid green efforts of the last thirty years is what will kill us. |  |
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| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 08:43 - Jun 10 with 1512 views | victorywilhappen |
| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 08:26 - Jun 10 by NthQldITFC |
Science has been giving us the evidence in the conventional methodical way.
Media have been presenting the evidence in the standard fleeting way.
Industry has been burying the evidence in the business as usual manipulative way.
We have been ignoring the evidence in the normal disinterested way.
- 'conventional', 'standard', 'usual', 'normal' is achieving fkn nothing and we are way out of our depth.
Politics at the moment is sh!t, but the swing away from the already pathetically tepid green efforts of the last thirty years is what will kill us. |
https://coastal.climatecentral.org/map/10/0.9486/51.7789/?theme=sea_level_rise&a
Not sure how this can be ignored [Post edited 10 Jun 2024 8:45]
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| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 08:50 - Jun 10 with 1487 views | DJR |
I'm not saying rising sea levels aren't a factor, but when I did A-level geography in the 1970s, I was told that the east coast was slightly sinking.
This was due to the long term resettling of the earth surface when the weighty ice sheet melted after the last ice age.
We were told this was a reason for coastal erosion on the east coast, something exacerbated by crumbly nature of the coastal materials.
And don't forget that Dunwich disappeared into the sea long, long ago.
EDIT: I didn't make it up.
https://www.edie.net/new-map-reveals-uk-and-irelands-sinking-feeling/ [Post edited 10 Jun 2024 9:04]
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| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 08:58 - Jun 10 with 1460 views | victorywilhappen |
| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 08:50 - Jun 10 by DJR |
I'm not saying rising sea levels aren't a factor, but when I did A-level geography in the 1970s, I was told that the east coast was slightly sinking.
This was due to the long term resettling of the earth surface when the weighty ice sheet melted after the last ice age.
We were told this was a reason for coastal erosion on the east coast, something exacerbated by crumbly nature of the coastal materials.
And don't forget that Dunwich disappeared into the sea long, long ago.
EDIT: I didn't make it up.
https://www.edie.net/new-map-reveals-uk-and-irelands-sinking-feeling/ [Post edited 10 Jun 2024 9:04]
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The map in 50 years into the future is not so dissimilar to that of 1500 years ago. However they did not have Sizewell and the Port of Felixstowe to consider. So much of the economy is connected to this Port. Then there are the people and their homes.
The cultural history embedded in this coast could go with the land. Will Portman Road be still playable? The new aquatic centre may be bigger than imagined. | | | |
| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 09:27 - Jun 10 with 1388 views | giant_stow |
I know a fair bit about Hemsby (I might have mentioned once or twice before!) and feelings are running very high there - lots of suffering and angst. I think a farly sizable group of people bought relatively cheap costal homes to see them out, but its just not working out like that and instead they're finding themselves homeless.
For example, there was an incident a few weeks back when a lady shot and hit a couple of lads with an air rifle for the crime of playing on the dunes near her home (she was worried that trampling on the dunes would damage them).
I don't know what the answer is other the community coming together to fund sea defense, but even that might not be simple or allowable, as defense work in one part of the coast can affect areas either side. (Some locals swear recent work to protect Bacton Gas terminal, helped screw Winterton and Hemsby, for instance). |  |
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| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 11:23 - Jun 10 with 1290 views | Ewan_Oozami |
Portman Road regularly under water due to flooding? Better get on with that new stadium!!! |  |
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| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 11:25 - Jun 10 with 1286 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 08:26 - Jun 10 by NthQldITFC |
Science has been giving us the evidence in the conventional methodical way.
Media have been presenting the evidence in the standard fleeting way.
Industry has been burying the evidence in the business as usual manipulative way.
We have been ignoring the evidence in the normal disinterested way.
- 'conventional', 'standard', 'usual', 'normal' is achieving fkn nothing and we are way out of our depth.
Politics at the moment is sh!t, but the swing away from the already pathetically tepid green efforts of the last thirty years is what will kill us. |
Tell you who will take these flood risk maps seriously - insurance companies - any excuse to bump up premiums even higher in low lying areas - if they haven't done so already that is! | |
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| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 16:34 - Jun 10 with 1123 views | DJR |
I think one has to be a bit careful about maps like that.
The area around Portman Road said to be at risk coincides with the Environment Agency maps that show flood risk from river and sea flooding. As regards Portman Road, it is a low risk area (0.1 to 1 per cent chance each year) but that risk must be primarily due to river flooding.
Of course it is possible for extremely high storm tides to coincide with the Gipping being flooded due to heavy rain (meaning the water is held back) but I am not sure that is the same thing as the tidal Gipping reaching the same level as Portman Road due to a rise in sea level. [Post edited 10 Jun 2024 17:08]
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| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 17:54 - Jun 10 with 1059 views | victorywilhappen |
| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 16:34 - Jun 10 by DJR |
I think one has to be a bit careful about maps like that.
The area around Portman Road said to be at risk coincides with the Environment Agency maps that show flood risk from river and sea flooding. As regards Portman Road, it is a low risk area (0.1 to 1 per cent chance each year) but that risk must be primarily due to river flooding.
Of course it is possible for extremely high storm tides to coincide with the Gipping being flooded due to heavy rain (meaning the water is held back) but I am not sure that is the same thing as the tidal Gipping reaching the same level as Portman Road due to a rise in sea level. [Post edited 10 Jun 2024 17:08]
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The forecasts are not stopping development. Stoke Bridge to the station Bridge development has gone up fast. River views for sale. It used to flood regularly until the 70s when the flood barriers were put up. Tidal surges as we know are a massive threat. And water finds a way when maintenance is slacking...now.
Should people be able to get into debt by buying in flood-prone areas? ( Buyer beware i guess is the phrase)
The myth of protection allows them to , and for others to make money out of the myth by selling. | | | |
| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 18:05 - Jun 10 with 1015 views | DJR |
| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 17:54 - Jun 10 by victorywilhappen |
The forecasts are not stopping development. Stoke Bridge to the station Bridge development has gone up fast. River views for sale. It used to flood regularly until the 70s when the flood barriers were put up. Tidal surges as we know are a massive threat. And water finds a way when maintenance is slacking...now.
Should people be able to get into debt by buying in flood-prone areas? ( Buyer beware i guess is the phrase)
The myth of protection allows them to , and for others to make money out of the myth by selling. |
I live close to the Medway which has a history of flooding, and I've certainly known developments in the flood plain which have gone ahead despite Environment Agency objection. When it comes to flats, the blocks often have parking at street level with the flats themselves above, but it still amounts to concreting over the flood plain.
Interestingly, the Leigh Barrier (near where I live) is rather unique when it comes to trying to prevent river flooding downstream.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/leigh-flood-storage-area/leigh-flood-
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| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 18:16 - Jun 10 with 994 views | Help |
| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 11:25 - Jun 10 by Ewan_Oozami |
Tell you who will take these flood risk maps seriously - insurance companies - any excuse to bump up premiums even higher in low lying areas - if they haven't done so already that is! |
they are already ahead of you |  |
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| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 18:24 - Jun 10 with 980 views | stonojnr |
| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 18:05 - Jun 10 by DJR |
I live close to the Medway which has a history of flooding, and I've certainly known developments in the flood plain which have gone ahead despite Environment Agency objection. When it comes to flats, the blocks often have parking at street level with the flats themselves above, but it still amounts to concreting over the flood plain.
Interestingly, the Leigh Barrier (near where I live) is rather unique when it comes to trying to prevent river flooding downstream.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/leigh-flood-storage-area/leigh-flood-
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well next time youre near Portman Rd, take alook at the offices nearby along Princes St and see if you can spot it.
the ground would flood, has flooded in recent history when a pumping station failed, without the flooding defences in place. Yarmouth road still floods regularly, again note the flats there and the restrictions on the Mermaid pub. |  | | |
| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 19:06 - Jun 10 with 943 views | DJR |
| Flood plan for Suffolk in the election? on 18:24 - Jun 10 by stonojnr |
well next time youre near Portman Rd, take alook at the offices nearby along Princes St and see if you can spot it.
the ground would flood, has flooded in recent history when a pumping station failed, without the flooding defences in place. Yarmouth road still floods regularly, again note the flats there and the restrictions on the Mermaid pub. |
Yes, I know what used to be the Fisons' building well, because I used to get a lift with a friend who parked there many years ago for games. But I suppose I hadn't necessarily put it down to flooding. [Post edited 10 Jun 2024 19:24]
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