| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? 08:45 - Jan 12 with 1836 views | TractorWood |
Not sure Hladky will want to see that again.
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| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 08:58 - Jan 12 with 1765 views | Churchman |
That’s horrendous. Went walkabout for that cross in the first half too. Tough life being a keeper - no hiding place. |  | | |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 09:07 - Jan 12 with 1707 views | grow_our_own |
Like a worse version of the goal he let in at Norwich, bounced in front of him the same. This is why KmK couldn't promise him the continued number 1 jersey this season. Feet are world-beating, but shot-stopping and cross-claiming, not so much. Decision-making is better than Muric' tho, so if you offered me last season's Hladky or this season's Muric, I'd prob choose Hladky. Muric' decision-making might improve with experience, but his feet (long and short passing) will never be Hladky-standard, prob will never be the standard KmK wants. I think we've gone back to the keeper drawing-board. There's a chance Walton's feet have improved from the player KmK dropped last season, but if not, we'll be looking for a new keeper in the Summer IMO. |  | | |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 09:07 - Jan 12 with 1711 views | nrb1985 |
Vaz's form did drop significantly at the end of last season. He made three mistakes in the Hull and Cov games which could have proven costly, luckily they didn't. Norwich away was another fairly high profile error too. He did make a couple of very good saves vs. Boro of course too.
Suspect the above, along with age, was one of the reasons we didn't push the boat out to keep him. Albeit, the less said about his replacement the better in my opinion. Walton showing that he's probably a more dependable PL GK than both at the current juncture. [Post edited 12 Jan 9:08]
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| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 10:51 - Jan 12 with 1458 views | Churchman |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 09:07 - Jan 12 by nrb1985 |
Vaz's form did drop significantly at the end of last season. He made three mistakes in the Hull and Cov games which could have proven costly, luckily they didn't. Norwich away was another fairly high profile error too. He did make a couple of very good saves vs. Boro of course too.
Suspect the above, along with age, was one of the reasons we didn't push the boat out to keep him. Albeit, the less said about his replacement the better in my opinion. Walton showing that he's probably a more dependable PL GK than both at the current juncture. [Post edited 12 Jan 9:08]
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Good post. Hladky was getting found out re his distribution and getting pressured far more, hence more mistakes at the end of last season. I think that by and large excellent aspect of his game would have have been negated in the PL given the difference in speed and fitness of the players.
Muric isn’t as bad as people like to make out, but Walton does look steadier and more reliable than both at the moment. | | | |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 11:09 - Jan 12 with 1392 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 09:07 - Jan 12 by grow_our_own |
Like a worse version of the goal he let in at Norwich, bounced in front of him the same. This is why KmK couldn't promise him the continued number 1 jersey this season. Feet are world-beating, but shot-stopping and cross-claiming, not so much. Decision-making is better than Muric' tho, so if you offered me last season's Hladky or this season's Muric, I'd prob choose Hladky. Muric' decision-making might improve with experience, but his feet (long and short passing) will never be Hladky-standard, prob will never be the standard KmK wants. I think we've gone back to the keeper drawing-board. There's a chance Walton's feet have improved from the player KmK dropped last season, but if not, we'll be looking for a new keeper in the Summer IMO. |
I think that the criticism of Walton’s feet might also have been a little unfair. When he was our number one in league one, IIRC we had not had the new pitch put in. You have to think that this makes a huge difference to how we play. I remember that it would always make me nervous watching Walton use his feet when there was that additional randomness regarding which way the ball would bounce. Not saying he is a rival to Ederson, and the press at that level is no where near as intense as in the PL, but I think it is not a level playing field, so to speak… | | | |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 11:15 - Jan 12 with 1367 views | ParisBlue |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 09:07 - Jan 12 by grow_our_own |
Like a worse version of the goal he let in at Norwich, bounced in front of him the same. This is why KmK couldn't promise him the continued number 1 jersey this season. Feet are world-beating, but shot-stopping and cross-claiming, not so much. Decision-making is better than Muric' tho, so if you offered me last season's Hladky or this season's Muric, I'd prob choose Hladky. Muric' decision-making might improve with experience, but his feet (long and short passing) will never be Hladky-standard, prob will never be the standard KmK wants. I think we've gone back to the keeper drawing-board. There's a chance Walton's feet have improved from the player KmK dropped last season, but if not, we'll be looking for a new keeper in the Summer IMO. |
KM didn't drop Walton, he was injured pre-season and did well enough to keep his place.
The comment about the pitch is a good one, though Walton looked suspect in the cup games last year. However the thing with keepers is they need to play constantly (not rustiness probably hasn't helped Hladky yesterday), so now Walton is in I hope he stays in till the end of the season. |  |
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| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 12:30 - Jan 12 with 1164 views | backwaywhen |
Paying the price of being a bench warmer …….albeit a rich one ! | | | |
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| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 12:41 - Jan 12 with 1138 views | itfcbam |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 09:07 - Jan 12 by grow_our_own |
Like a worse version of the goal he let in at Norwich, bounced in front of him the same. This is why KmK couldn't promise him the continued number 1 jersey this season. Feet are world-beating, but shot-stopping and cross-claiming, not so much. Decision-making is better than Muric' tho, so if you offered me last season's Hladky or this season's Muric, I'd prob choose Hladky. Muric' decision-making might improve with experience, but his feet (long and short passing) will never be Hladky-standard, prob will never be the standard KmK wants. I think we've gone back to the keeper drawing-board. There's a chance Walton's feet have improved from the player KmK dropped last season, but if not, we'll be looking for a new keeper in the Summer IMO. |
but would pick Walton over BOTH. VH was excellent 1st half of season but suspect 2nd half. Excellent with ball at feet but general handling and positional sense was always prone to mistakes which in top flight would be exposed | | | |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 12:53 - Jan 12 with 1097 views | nrb1985 |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 10:51 - Jan 12 by Churchman |
Good post. Hladky was getting found out re his distribution and getting pressured far more, hence more mistakes at the end of last season. I think that by and large excellent aspect of his game would have have been negated in the PL given the difference in speed and fitness of the players.
Muric isn’t as bad as people like to make out, but Walton does look steadier and more reliable than both at the moment. |
Vaz was an excellent servant but do agree, and bar the saves in the Boro game, was probably more of a hindrance than a help on the run in. Still get nightmares about that third Hull goal!
Re Muric, have never entered that debate on here as it's so polarizing! But to my untrained eye I really do not rate him. Reminds me of a goalkeeping Theo Walcott. Bags of talent and natural athleticism, but brainless in terms of putting it all together. And he's not a teenager anymore, guy is in his mid 20s.
I'd much rather have a GK who is a 6 or 7/10 each week than one who is just as likely to be a 2/10 as he is a 9/10. [Post edited 12 Jan 13:02]
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| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 13:14 - Jan 12 with 1003 views | Churchman |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 12:53 - Jan 12 by nrb1985 |
Vaz was an excellent servant but do agree, and bar the saves in the Boro game, was probably more of a hindrance than a help on the run in. Still get nightmares about that third Hull goal!
Re Muric, have never entered that debate on here as it's so polarizing! But to my untrained eye I really do not rate him. Reminds me of a goalkeeping Theo Walcott. Bags of talent and natural athleticism, but brainless in terms of putting it all together. And he's not a teenager anymore, guy is in his mid 20s.
I'd much rather have a GK who is a 6 or 7/10 each week than one who is just as likely to be a 2/10 as he is a 9/10. [Post edited 12 Jan 13:02]
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Mid 20s is not old for a goalie. He has good size, presence and agility. Bit of a character too. But without stirring the scapegoat haters, by biggest concern is that he doesn’t look as calm as I think he might. Even if he’s bricking it, he should try not to show it as that transmits not only to the defenders, but the crowd.
It all feels calmer with Walton even if he has his ‘moments’. I would keep CW in. He’s earned that. I’d play him today too. But what do I know.
Hladky? Despite his talent with the ball at his feet, I didn’t think he was a great goalkeeper. He always seemed to be bouncing around behind the defenders somehow and never in control of his six yard box.
Bring back Bart and wind his age clock back ten years! | | | |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 13:56 - Jan 12 with 915 views | Vic |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 10:51 - Jan 12 by Churchman |
Good post. Hladky was getting found out re his distribution and getting pressured far more, hence more mistakes at the end of last season. I think that by and large excellent aspect of his game would have have been negated in the PL given the difference in speed and fitness of the players.
Muric isn’t as bad as people like to make out, but Walton does look steadier and more reliable than both at the moment. |
Very much agree with this - and I’m sure it’s why KM bought in am upgrade.
It’s very easy to say that Muric’s kicking is worse that Vaz’s - and it often is. But this has to be set again the fact that the speed of press in the prem is light years ahead of pretty much anyth8ng we faced in Lg 1 or the Championship. I think this is why we’ve moved to a more pragmatic approach in clearing the ball.
Currently Walt’s is benefitting from this change - long may it continue to bring us greater success. |  |
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| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 14:20 - Jan 12 with 847 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 10:51 - Jan 12 by Churchman |
Good post. Hladky was getting found out re his distribution and getting pressured far more, hence more mistakes at the end of last season. I think that by and large excellent aspect of his game would have have been negated in the PL given the difference in speed and fitness of the players.
Muric isn’t as bad as people like to make out, but Walton does look steadier and more reliable than both at the moment. |
Found out because every team does their homework. I'm not sure he became worse, just other teams were prepared and expecting it. | | | |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 14:55 - Jan 12 with 784 views | Churchman |
| Anyone see the Burnley highlights? on 14:20 - Jan 12 by Blue_In_Boston |
Found out because every team does their homework. I'm not sure he became worse, just other teams were prepared and expecting it. |
Poorly worded on my part. You described what I meant far better. Yes, teams do their homework and adjust accordingly. | | | |
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