| One in one out 05:19 - Aug 5 with 1469 views | victorysquad |
Am i being stupid here, if we send back a boat with 20 people in it, then france will send us 20 asylum seekers anyway?
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| One in one out on 07:41 - Aug 5 with 1164 views | noggin |
It might stop some of those, with links to Britain, from attempting the dangerous crossing. Also, those with no links to Britain would risk being returned to France.
I don't think this is about reducing numbers. Britain has a duty to take in it's share of refugees.
I fear how the far right loons will react when Israel takes over Gaza (something SYL and his cronies appear to support) and the 2 million refugees have to be moved. Britain and other western nations are allowing the ethnic cleansing to take place, without sanctions, and will be responsible for giving the Palestinians refuge. What better way to create future terrorists? FK Netanyahu and the IDF (Should be called the IOF) [Post edited 5 Aug 7:50]
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| One in one out on 07:42 - Aug 5 with 1155 views | WickhamsLeftBoot |
Directly from the gov.uk website.
‘Under the 'one-in, one-out' scheme, an equal number of migrants will be eligible to come to the UK through a new route if they have not attempted an illegal crossing before – subject to full documentation and security and eligibility checks’ |  | | |
| One in one out on 08:17 - Aug 5 with 975 views | Swansea_Blue |
It’ll likely reduce deaths, which is hardly nothing. We’ll see. As Noggers says it *may* stop people attempting the crossing if they know there’s a legal safe route. Although the downside is we’re swapping people who’ve already made the crossing and so have already taken the risk. Of course, there’s also a chance it won’t stop the traffickers and will make little difference. We’ll see. Proof of the pudding will be in the eating and all that. It *may* function as a better deterrent than the ridiculous, horrendously expensive and morally reprehensible Rwanda scheme. It’ll certainly be more effective and cheaper than that scheme. |  |
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| One in one out on 08:27 - Aug 5 with 922 views | Herbivore |
The numbers of asylum seekers we take in the UK make up a small proportion of our overall net migration and aren't high compared to other countries. This won't reduce the numbers overall but it gives us a way to try and reduce small boat crossing, which is good because those crossings are dangerous and give money to organised criminals. This scheme gives us a legal mechanism to return people who have come in small boats, which is what I thought people wanted, and means that asylum seekers who we do take are properly documented, which is another thing I thought people wanted, to not have undocumented migrants entering the country. This should be music to the ears of those who are concerned about small boat crossing really, it should, in principle at least, address the things they say they are concerned about. |  |
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| One in one out on 08:29 - Aug 5 with 906 views | DanTheMan |
| One in one out on 08:27 - Aug 5 by Herbivore |
The numbers of asylum seekers we take in the UK make up a small proportion of our overall net migration and aren't high compared to other countries. This won't reduce the numbers overall but it gives us a way to try and reduce small boat crossing, which is good because those crossings are dangerous and give money to organised criminals. This scheme gives us a legal mechanism to return people who have come in small boats, which is what I thought people wanted, and means that asylum seekers who we do take are properly documented, which is another thing I thought people wanted, to not have undocumented migrants entering the country. This should be music to the ears of those who are concerned about small boat crossing really, it should, in principle at least, address the things they say they are concerned about. |
I'm sure we'll all be shocked if it was in fact nothing to do with the way in which they were coming here that was the issue for people. |  |
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| One in one out on 08:32 - Aug 5 with 867 views | tivo |
It will stop those with ties here risking their lives at sea.
This means those coming on boats will have a lower success rate of seeking asylum and be deported with those coming in already having relevant ties.
Having relevant ties may mean they don't need to be put up in housing as they have friends or family to live with - reducing housing costs. If successful will have friends and family able to support them into lines of work quicker, making them contributing members of society faster.
It will basically enable us to pick and choose applicants based on a wider number of parameters whilst deporting those with no right to claim asylum. | | | |
| One in one out on 08:32 - Aug 5 with 869 views | Herbivore |
| One in one out on 08:29 - Aug 5 by DanTheMan |
I'm sure we'll all be shocked if it was in fact nothing to do with the way in which they were coming here that was the issue for people. |
Well I'd be very surprised if all of the talk of the danger of crossings and migrants being undocumented and wanting to be able to send them back to France turned out to all be a smokescreen. Let's see what folks say. Certainly, Labour have put in more to try and tackle the small boat crossings in 12 months than the Tories managed in their whole time in office so I'm sure they'll get some credit for that at least. | |
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| One in one out on 08:46 - Aug 5 with 753 views | BlueNomad |
| One in one out on 08:32 - Aug 5 by Herbivore |
Well I'd be very surprised if all of the talk of the danger of crossings and migrants being undocumented and wanting to be able to send them back to France turned out to all be a smokescreen. Let's see what folks say. Certainly, Labour have put in more to try and tackle the small boat crossings in 12 months than the Tories managed in their whole time in office so I'm sure they'll get some credit for that at least. |
The credit they receive will be negligible because the right wingers will still complain about “foreigners in my high street.” Many won’t read about issues but will still listen to Farage and his miserable crew who are as interested in truth as their MAGA cousins. |  | | |
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| One in one out on 09:41 - Aug 5 with 496 views | Swansea_Blue |
| One in one out on 08:46 - Aug 5 by BlueNomad |
The credit they receive will be negligible because the right wingers will still complain about “foreigners in my high street.” Many won’t read about issues but will still listen to Farage and his miserable crew who are as interested in truth as their MAGA cousins. |
Absolutely. Key to this is countering the liars (Farage, online grifters, the right wing press, etc) and tackling ignorance in the population.
A recent YouGov survey revealed that 47% of respondents believe that illegal immigrants make up the majority of immigration*. That’s obviously nonsense and worrying, but I don’t know what we can do about people who chose to believe the conspiracy rather than the reality. They won’t all be doing so because they are racist, but equally people are obviously not challenging their own wrong beliefs. The stats don’t lie:
- 44,000 unauthorised arrivals per year on average between 2020 and 2024
- 94% of those apply for asylum = 41,360 per yr
- 70% of initial claims granted = 28,950
- Therefore, number of unauthorised arrivals per year refused any asylum (i.e. ‘illegal’ immigrants) = c. £15,050 per yr.
- So ‘illegals’ are about 1.5% of all immigration (which was about 950k in 2004)
- The fact remains that most immigrants are here for work or study reasons, most of the rest claim asylum and most of those are granted it.
*(Paywall sorry) https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/new-poll-migration-news-b99h3wqgz#: | |
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| One in one out on 09:47 - Aug 5 with 455 views | Herbivore |
| One in one out on 09:41 - Aug 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Absolutely. Key to this is countering the liars (Farage, online grifters, the right wing press, etc) and tackling ignorance in the population.
A recent YouGov survey revealed that 47% of respondents believe that illegal immigrants make up the majority of immigration*. That’s obviously nonsense and worrying, but I don’t know what we can do about people who chose to believe the conspiracy rather than the reality. They won’t all be doing so because they are racist, but equally people are obviously not challenging their own wrong beliefs. The stats don’t lie:
- 44,000 unauthorised arrivals per year on average between 2020 and 2024
- 94% of those apply for asylum = 41,360 per yr
- 70% of initial claims granted = 28,950
- Therefore, number of unauthorised arrivals per year refused any asylum (i.e. ‘illegal’ immigrants) = c. £15,050 per yr.
- So ‘illegals’ are about 1.5% of all immigration (which was about 950k in 2004)
- The fact remains that most immigrants are here for work or study reasons, most of the rest claim asylum and most of those are granted it.
*(Paywall sorry) https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/new-poll-migration-news-b99h3wqgz#: |
One of the problems with social media (and other forms of online media generally) is that they've killed truth. People can find sources that resonate with their beliefs, even if those sources are demonstrably inaccurate. Many people aren't bothered about accuracy, they just want to see and hear stuff that validates their world view and the internet has something for everyone on that front. You can provide evidence that counters people's views, but they'll just ignore it and they can justify this to themselves because they've seen something on Facebook/X/GB News that says different and that's what they'll choose to listen to. | |
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| One in one out on 10:00 - Aug 5 with 404 views | Swansea_Blue |
| One in one out on 09:47 - Aug 5 by Herbivore |
One of the problems with social media (and other forms of online media generally) is that they've killed truth. People can find sources that resonate with their beliefs, even if those sources are demonstrably inaccurate. Many people aren't bothered about accuracy, they just want to see and hear stuff that validates their world view and the internet has something for everyone on that front. You can provide evidence that counters people's views, but they'll just ignore it and they can justify this to themselves because they've seen something on Facebook/X/GB News that says different and that's what they'll choose to listen to. |
Yes, we seem to now have people constructing their own version of reality and it being reinforced through the social media algorithms.
Imagine how bad that becomes when the official stats then start to fall away, as we’re seeing in the US. It’s bad enough that we’ve had successive governments fuelling anti-immigration propaganda in the media, but at least we’ve still got respected and seemingly reliable official stats. At least we’ve still can still find out the truth if we want to. If we lose those, we’re stuffed. | |
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| One in one out on 10:05 - Aug 5 with 376 views | Herbivore |
| One in one out on 10:00 - Aug 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Yes, we seem to now have people constructing their own version of reality and it being reinforced through the social media algorithms.
Imagine how bad that becomes when the official stats then start to fall away, as we’re seeing in the US. It’s bad enough that we’ve had successive governments fuelling anti-immigration propaganda in the media, but at least we’ve still got respected and seemingly reliable official stats. At least we’ve still can still find out the truth if we want to. If we lose those, we’re stuffed. |
Yes, Trump firing the head of department for publishing stats that he didn't like is pretty chilling. It's certainly the mark of an authoritarian government, if not a fascist one. Controlling the narrative has been a phrase for a while and it seems to be very important to powerful people to control the narrative. Whether that narrative is based on reality or not seems to be less important, and helps to explain why a lot of folks think migrants are to blame for all of their problems rather than a cabal of large firms and wealthy individuals continuing to hoard wealth while everyone else struggles. | |
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