Dont need the news of the world to see were bottom!

How you can defend Keane in this situation is beyond me! As someone said we have palyed all teams in the bottom half in the last 5 games and got one win. Its not good enough!

KEANE OUT

All these Keane outers here, who would you have eh???? dont bore me with curbishley.

Mccan would be a defensive midfielder if he was brought to the club, something which at the moment we could do with. in a centre midfield pairing you need an attacking minded player (leadbitter, norris, Colback) and a defensive minded midfielder (healy, Trotter)

the attacking CM is taken care of in the shape of leadbitter, but as yet, as others have said, there hasn't been a stand out performer playing alongside leadbitter in the defensive role. How healy has been brought to the club and whether that be right or wrong is irrelevant, coz he is part of our team. I believe he was brought her to play the defensive midfield role though and so maybe should be given a run out.

For all the people who are sayin garvan should be back in the sqaud or the starting 11, wake up and smell the coffee, he is and has been 1 of the most over rated players we have had at our club, to be mentioned in the same breath as teams like liverpool and everton is an absoloute joke. he's just a younger version of the previous wearer of the number 7 shirt, a certain Jim Magilton, brief glimpses of being a good player, not blessed with pace and someone who jus really is quite an average player

Fair enough point re Magilton dobbie..but as Keane's virtually clearing out Jim's squad maybe he could be re-appointed next summer!!!

I seriously think we should start playing with 2 midfielders in front of the defence - Leadbitter & Garvan - with Norris (when back) ahead of them joining the attack (ala Gerrard) - with Walters on the right/Edwards on the left (as he's more agile than Walters) and Counago up top.

Saturday we looked shapeless..Keane obviously knows Walters is better wide right cos he had to take off Edwards to switch him there.

McCann - another ex Mackem !!! Just reading about him this morning being the last Sunderland player in the England squad before Darren Bent's call up. McCann was great in his day and probably past his best now but you will get some passion out of him - that's for sure. I am also glad that most of you rate Leadbitter. Top boy and I would be still happy to see him back at Sunderland. How long though before some other club comes in for him though??? Ipswich need to get a grip but I am not sure they will this season and you have to lay the blame firmly at Roy Keane's door. It amazes me how many "In Keano We Trust" fans are around on this forum. Those lot seem to be easily pleased with 1 win in 16. Maybe if they took their Roy Keane "big name manager" spectacles off they would see how woeful this season is progressing.

Who would I have - there are loads of managers out there who would do a much better job than Keane
Terry Venebles
David O'learly
Alan Curbs haha
there are thousands of managers who would do a better job than what Keane is currently doing, I aitn gotta list em to justify my views of wanting him out. Were are sh it and will be till the manager has changed!]
I could do a better job than him, and I honestly think most of us on here cuold do (Keanish and dickles not included)

besitfc: my point was that Burley dropped the holding midfielder and played a much more attacking midfield. Obviousy Dyer was better attacking than Holland, but on paper it looked like a lightweight midfield defensively. Yet that wasn't the case at all, because we gave most teams a lot to worry about.

Yet another distinctly monotonus 'Keane is a rubbish manager' by Callum Garry...tedious! Although, if memory serves me correctly he did take Sunderland from bottom of the table to the Championship title in his first season. Not bad for a 'rubbish' manager!

My main concern at the moment is the front two pairing. Stead drifts in and out of games, Priskin needs a solid run in the side...and a goal! Wickham is better off the bench in my opinion. Walters is better out wide.

In the absence of a decent holding midfielder to release Leadbitter, i think Counago has to start as he drops deeper to pick the ball ball up linking un the midfield - who's the best partner though?

Keaneish: are you really basing your entire opinion of Keane as a manager on the fact that he got Sunderland promoted?

What you'll also notice is that a) he had a very quick turnaround there as they were bottom after 8 games b) he spent huge amounts of money c) Magilton's team that he cobbled together for negative gross amount totally outplayed them at Portman Road.

I guess my point is that just because he did it there doens't mean he can turn it round here. After all in his massive 2.5 seasons as a manager he has never had to turn a team around from his own poor start. So where's the proof he can do it.

I hope he can, I still say persist with him for a little longer. But blind faith - which several of you have - seems to be based on his excellent playing career and one season as a manager, which doesn't bear any resemblance to the job he has here now.

Dobbie73 couldn't agree with ur assesment more, it has also been widely publicised that Magilton used to actually take part in training games when really he should have taken a step back, I think the only reason he was appointed was because at the time his playing contract wasn't renewed, he was a bit of a gamble and he wanted to stay part of the club. hence why he used to play in training games, he made mistake after mistake, never really learned from those mistakes, more to the point was arrogant about it and in the end lost the dressing room, fans and the media. he deserved to be sacked and has now inherited a better squad at QPR than the 1 he himself assembled at town, and then went gobbing off about it. yes QPR are having a good time of it but magilton hasn't turned into a gd manager over night !!!

Surco72 you seem to be one of the Magilton worshippers that's still left, wake up and smell the coffee, he didn't do well enough and was sacked, Keane has now had to start all over again and assemble his own squad. I also think your worship of garvan is mis placed, he simply isn't good enough, doesn't have the desire or hunger to get back involved, wasn't he ready to walk away from the game a few seasons ago too, jus like supple? he should follow David Wright's fine example if he wants a future in our team and the game in general

...and no, not every game Surco, but nearly. Fair point on the midfielder. Whether holding or not, i think everyone is agreed we need a better calibre than Trotter, Quinn (although he works hard), Healy (at this stage) and Colback (until he's more experienced). McCann can play, i'll be happy with that.

Jimmy86: agree that it was time for Magilton to go. People here have forgotten the press conferences etc that got out of hand and his constant changing of the team and his purchases of too many average players when he got money to spend. (And yes, I have noticed that Keane has made prettty much all those mistakes too).

However, firstly I totally disagree that the squad needed to be wiped out and started from scratch. But even if it did, we know that with an underperforming manager in charge we had a squad capable of the top half, easily. So surely Keane should have strengthened in a couple of places for the first half of the season and gone from there.

Making so many changes has just caused endless problems. And they are all his own doing, not Magilton's.

And regarding Garvan, you may be right, but this season we are crying out for a player like Garvan (or at least the kind of player we know Garvan can be) and the fact remains that Garvan himself hasn't been given a chance. If better players were ahead of him in the squad, fair enough. But they aren't.

David Wright did well not to get annoyed with Keane's stupid decision to drop him and I guess Garvan would do well to follow that example but the fact remains that he shouldn't have been given the cold-shoulder in the first place.

Jimmy86 firstly are you saying that when Norris is fit he wont play because we need an attacking midfielder and a defensive one ,so its a choice between him and Leadbitter ?

And secondly Garvan was our top scoring midfielder 7 goals in 20 odd starts ,and most assists ,and still is only young ,3 starts for Keane 2 wins , not over rated facts . Lets bring our youngsters through like we used to Haynes doing well for Bristol ,Clarke doing well for Blackpool looks like we are letting our youngsters down somewhere ?

Roy Keane can only work with what he has. Yes, he took Sunderland up from the bottom of the Championship to the Premier in one season. What some Ipswich fans fail to recognise is that Roy Keane inherited a far better team at Sunderland that he did at Ipswich. That is the main reason why he had the "midas" touch at Sunderland which is woefully lacking at Ipswich. Now if he pulls off the impossible this season at Ipswich, don't give him 80 million to spend Mr Evans like we did. He wasted half of that and all we got was a team who avoided relegation and a team on the decline when he walked out. The vast majority of Sunderland fans appreciate what he did but the old adage seems to be true. Some great players are not cut out for management. Keano looks more and more likely that he belongs in this category.

Must admit, Bruce seems to be doing a lot better than Keane did at Sunderland, and it's not like Keane wasn't given money to spend.

Point being, please rate team, manager and performances on their merits and not just blindly think we're going to be OK because Keane is a great manager. He isn't.

He might be one day, but at the moment he isn't and we need to accept that and look at what needs to be done to improve the team. Some think Keane out is the way. I'm not sure, but I do get tired of those who defend his every decision just because it's Roy Keane.

I love the way that if you disagree with The Mighty Keanes descisions you are a Magilton lover or a Norwich fan !!! I am an Ipswich fan and this website has become more about Keane than the team which is sad and maybe a reflection on how the season has gone so far . I want Garvan to be given a try to help Ipswich, i want Stead and Counago to be given a try because we look poor without Counago and Stead is the only striker scoring ,if it works then great if not what have we lost ?

Just to clarify - I DO NOT want to see Keano fail. Ipswich are my second favourite team after Sunderland and I want them to do better than they are. They shouldn't be lurking at the foot of the championship and shouldn't be happy with draws against (all due respect) lesser clubs. I just don't think Keano is the man to restore the glories. It is not sour grapes that he walked out on Sunderland. Ask anyone if they would swap him for Steve Bruce !!! We all had our Keano rose tinted spectacles on up there as well. Keano should have started out as Steve Bruce did with lower league clubs such as Huddersfield and work his way up. Restoring clubs such as Sunderland and Ipswich to former glories was a bit too much for him to handle as he has and is currently demonstrating.

Surco im saying that a centre mid pairing should consist of an attack minded player and a defensive minded player, if leadbitter and norris were to play in the same team, which 1 would be the defensive/holding midfielder? People rave about Norris but im sorry to say I cant quite see what makes him a 2.2 million pound player that magilton tried so hard to eventually bring to the club, he hasn't scored that many goals, ok he tries hard but that alone doesn't justify spending 2.2 million. Plus if we played leadbitter and norris in centre mid we would seriously be lacking height in the middle of the park, both, small players, jus a thought

CGS-
"Terry Venebles
David O'learly
Alan Curbs haha
there are thousands of managers who would do a better job than what Keane is currently doing, I aitn gotta list em to justify my views of wanting him out."

Venables wouldnt touch us with a bargepole,he hasnt worked for a number of years and why would he join us?? O'leary got leeds into a load of strife, didnt set the world alight with Villa and hasnt worked since. Curbs was potentially an england manager not long ago, so at least he would do is premiership. What annoys me is that, ok granted we got keane but he is a big name not a big manager, the reason why we had magilton was we had no money, and from what i heard, the three guys who we approached all turned us down. Now say we sack him, thats the best part of 6-8million quid, another £10-12million kitty for the new manager and the time to gel by which we would be coming to the back end of the season. The jury is still out for me with RK but happy to see this project out as i cant think for the life of me who we would replace him with, and that i would be happy with.

Jimmy 86 agree with you that they would be small but what about the spanish midfield Xavi,Iniesta and Fabregas all small all attacking but they keep the ball and all can pass ? The great french side of the eighties Platini,Giresse and Tigana no big defensive midfield ball winner . It all comes down to discipline if one player goes the other covers i just think we lose a player just having a ball winner which adds more pressure on Leadbitter do it all ?
On the manager front not that i think Keane will go but what about Hoddle always played good football whereever he went Swindon,Chelsea ,Saints and Wolves ?