| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities 07:39 - Jul 26 with 46688 views | ElderGrizzly |
Hugely powerful statement this morning and I wonder how this is spun to be a Chuka plot.....
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 07:45 - Jul 26 with 8899 views | hype313 |
But they're not though, John Mcdonell said yesterday that they were "Anti Racist and Anti Semetic"..... |  |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 07:49 - Jul 26 with 8885 views | Keno |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 07:45 - Jul 26 by hype313 |
But they're not though, John Mcdonell said yesterday that they were "Anti Racist and Anti Semetic"..... |
oh thats ok then |  |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 07:57 - Jul 26 with 8852 views | StokieBlue |
So they asked exactly the same questions 3 years apart or they took a few studies that they thought they could merge and did?
Unless the questions are the same and the cross-section demographic sampled is the same that meme is meaningless.
Surely what the actual Jewish community feels should rank as a higher order of source?
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:00 - Jul 26 with 8839 views | Herbivore |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 07:57 - Jul 26 by StokieBlue |
So they asked exactly the same questions 3 years apart or they took a few studies that they thought they could merge and did?
Unless the questions are the same and the cross-section demographic sampled is the same that meme is meaningless.
Surely what the actual Jewish community feels should rank as a higher order of source?
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Here is some more info on the polling he linked to: https://evolvepolitics.com/yougov-polls-show-anti-semitism-in-labour-has-actuall |  |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:01 - Jul 26 with 8837 views | Steve_M |
Currently we have:
Labour: tolerance of anti-semitiism, fanboys shouting about the virtues of Communism, pro-hard Brexit
Conservative: tolerance of anti-Islamism, MEPS encouraging fascism, Home Secretary making noises towards capital punishment, pro-hard Brexit,
What an utter fecking mess, neither party is fit for government any longer and won't be until we have some form of realignment of British politics. |  |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:02 - Jul 26 with 8825 views | StokieBlue |
Thanks, I'll take a read later on.
Edit: Had a quick skim (I will try and read it all later but have to cycle in a minute) and isn't the entire issue highlights in their polling sample?
"anti-Semitic views amongst Labour party voters have actually reduced substantially"
That's not the issue is it? Isn't the issue that party member are coming over as more anti-semetic? Basing the results on the voting population rather than the membership seems to totally miss the point.
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:02 - Jul 26 with 8824 views | Keno |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:01 - Jul 26 by Steve_M |
Currently we have:
Labour: tolerance of anti-semitiism, fanboys shouting about the virtues of Communism, pro-hard Brexit
Conservative: tolerance of anti-Islamism, MEPS encouraging fascism, Home Secretary making noises towards capital punishment, pro-hard Brexit,
What an utter fecking mess, neither party is fit for government any longer and won't be until we have some form of realignment of British politics. |
you missed of the Liberal Whatevercrats
oh ok, carry on | |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:03 - Jul 26 with 8824 views | Herbivore |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:01 - Jul 26 by Steve_M |
Currently we have:
Labour: tolerance of anti-semitiism, fanboys shouting about the virtues of Communism, pro-hard Brexit
Conservative: tolerance of anti-Islamism, MEPS encouraging fascism, Home Secretary making noises towards capital punishment, pro-hard Brexit,
What an utter fecking mess, neither party is fit for government any longer and won't be until we have some form of realignment of British politics. |
The whole system needs a shake up. We need to have PR and greater pluralism. | |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:08 - Jul 26 with 8796 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 07:57 - Jul 26 by StokieBlue |
So they asked exactly the same questions 3 years apart or they took a few studies that they thought they could merge and did?
Unless the questions are the same and the cross-section demographic sampled is the same that meme is meaningless.
Surely what the actual Jewish community feels should rank as a higher order of source?
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I have no idea, but I do think it is getting to the point where people will hear nothing because of the noise.
The "Jewish community " (?) does not speak with one voice regarding these examples in the definition or, for that matter, anything else and to sugged that a Labour government would represent a greater or lesser existential threat than any other is spurious to say the least! |  |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:10 - Jul 26 with 8787 views | StokieBlue |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:08 - Jul 26 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I have no idea, but I do think it is getting to the point where people will hear nothing because of the noise.
The "Jewish community " (?) does not speak with one voice regarding these examples in the definition or, for that matter, anything else and to sugged that a Labour government would represent a greater or lesser existential threat than any other is spurious to say the least! |
I've replied to our friendly herbaceous friend on why that study might not be the right one to reference.
I do think the headlines are rather extreme though as you point out.
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:13 - Jul 26 with 8776 views | lowhouseblue |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:02 - Jul 26 by StokieBlue |
Thanks, I'll take a read later on.
Edit: Had a quick skim (I will try and read it all later but have to cycle in a minute) and isn't the entire issue highlights in their polling sample?
"anti-Semitic views amongst Labour party voters have actually reduced substantially"
That's not the issue is it? Isn't the issue that party member are coming over as more anti-semetic? Basing the results on the voting population rather than the membership seems to totally miss the point.
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labour party voters have never been the issue in any of this. it's the weird extremist entryists who have taken over the party who are the problem. it's the hard left and the remnants of stop the war who corbyn excuses and turns a blind eye to, and who have in turn carried him to the leadership, who are the source of the anti-semitism. [Post edited 26 Jul 2018 8:18]
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:16 - Jul 26 with 8770 views | Keno |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:03 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
The whole system needs a shake up. We need to have PR and greater pluralism. |
You could argue UK politics is long overdue a shift, its 1922 since the last one and such a shame David Owen's ego and Steels timidity balls up the last attempt
There must be a case for
- The anti Europe right wing of the Tories to join UKIP and the like to give a 'right wing'
- The modest sensible Tories to join the liberals to give back a proper slightly pro Europe right of centre party
- The moderate arm of labour to either join the liberals to set up a Democrat left of centre party
- the left wing of labour to become a proper socialist party
If we had that formation then a lit of the issues involving Brexit would disappoints and the parties would be less concerned about fighting themselves | |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:17 - Jul 26 with 8767 views | Steve_M |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:02 - Jul 26 by Keno |
you missed of the Liberal Whatevercrats
oh ok, carry on |
Yes, I was going to include them but they haven't actually turned up. | |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:17 - Jul 26 with 8765 views | lowhouseblue |
really what do jews know about anti-semitism? they're just a powerful establishment group who control the media and finance and who are intent on under-mining corbyn. (I think that's the answer - the corbynistas will correct me if I've got this wrong). | |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:19 - Jul 26 with 8758 views | Keno |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:17 - Jul 26 by Steve_M |
Yes, I was going to include them but they haven't actually turned up. |
too busy patting themselves on the back for being able to pat themselves on the back [Post edited 26 Jul 2018 8:20]
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:20 - Jul 26 with 8757 views | Herbivore |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:02 - Jul 26 by StokieBlue |
Thanks, I'll take a read later on.
Edit: Had a quick skim (I will try and read it all later but have to cycle in a minute) and isn't the entire issue highlights in their polling sample?
"anti-Semitic views amongst Labour party voters have actually reduced substantially"
That's not the issue is it? Isn't the issue that party member are coming over as more anti-semetic? Basing the results on the voting population rather than the membership seems to totally miss the point.
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I agree to an extent, however when you have the Jewish press claiming that Labour under Corbyn poses an existential threat to Jewish communities you'd kind of expect that anti-Semitism might be on the increase amongst those who follow the 'cult of Corbyn'. Surely if he supports anti-Semitism then his loyal followers ought to be becoming more anti-Semitic? I think it adds an interesting counterpoint if nothing else. There is clearly an issue with anti-Semitism across the country and it has been particularly highlighted within Labour. However, some of the reporting and rhetoric has become hyperbolic. I've seen our very own Glassers make the claim that not a day goes by without a new allegation of anti-Semitism involving the Labour party. That simply isn't true. Indeed, most of the reporting is various commentary on or rehashing of old stories and allegations. Whilst there is a need to keep the issue in the public domain the way that it has been done in some quarters smacks of there being an agenda that goes beyond a genuine desire to tackle anti-Semitism. My concern is that weaponising a serious issue like this ultimately ends up trivializing it, plus any sensible dialogue about it becomes impossible as positions become more entrenched. | |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:23 - Jul 26 with 8747 views | Herbivore |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:16 - Jul 26 by Keno |
You could argue UK politics is long overdue a shift, its 1922 since the last one and such a shame David Owen's ego and Steels timidity balls up the last attempt
There must be a case for
- The anti Europe right wing of the Tories to join UKIP and the like to give a 'right wing'
- The modest sensible Tories to join the liberals to give back a proper slightly pro Europe right of centre party
- The moderate arm of labour to either join the liberals to set up a Democrat left of centre party
- the left wing of labour to become a proper socialist party
If we had that formation then a lit of the issues involving Brexit would disappoints and the parties would be less concerned about fighting themselves |
I agree. If we had PR I would also expect the Greens to have a much-needed voice in parliament to push for environmental issues. You can't govern for a whole country when you essentially have two massive parties and govern by one winning and one losing every single time. It's a total nonsense. | |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:24 - Jul 26 with 8737 views | Keno |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:23 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
I agree. If we had PR I would also expect the Greens to have a much-needed voice in parliament to push for environmental issues. You can't govern for a whole country when you essentially have two massive parties and govern by one winning and one losing every single time. It's a total nonsense. |
I agree on PR as well
such a shame they made a complete balls up of that referendum
we aren't very good at those are we | |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:25 - Jul 26 with 8733 views | lowhouseblue |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:20 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
I agree to an extent, however when you have the Jewish press claiming that Labour under Corbyn poses an existential threat to Jewish communities you'd kind of expect that anti-Semitism might be on the increase amongst those who follow the 'cult of Corbyn'. Surely if he supports anti-Semitism then his loyal followers ought to be becoming more anti-Semitic? I think it adds an interesting counterpoint if nothing else. There is clearly an issue with anti-Semitism across the country and it has been particularly highlighted within Labour. However, some of the reporting and rhetoric has become hyperbolic. I've seen our very own Glassers make the claim that not a day goes by without a new allegation of anti-Semitism involving the Labour party. That simply isn't true. Indeed, most of the reporting is various commentary on or rehashing of old stories and allegations. Whilst there is a need to keep the issue in the public domain the way that it has been done in some quarters smacks of there being an agenda that goes beyond a genuine desire to tackle anti-Semitism. My concern is that weaponising a serious issue like this ultimately ends up trivializing it, plus any sensible dialogue about it becomes impossible as positions become more entrenched. |
" Whilst there is a need to keep the issue in the public domain the way that it has been done in some quarters smacks of there being an agenda that goes beyond a genuine desire to tackle anti-Semitism."
BINGO. those damn deceitful jewish newspapers acting to undermine corbyn. clearly up to no good.
Edit: you give my previous post a down arrow but then post something that exactly proves my point. double bingo. [Post edited 26 Jul 2018 8:27]
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:28 - Jul 26 with 8715 views | Herbivore |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:25 - Jul 26 by lowhouseblue |
" Whilst there is a need to keep the issue in the public domain the way that it has been done in some quarters smacks of there being an agenda that goes beyond a genuine desire to tackle anti-Semitism."
BINGO. those damn deceitful jewish newspapers acting to undermine corbyn. clearly up to no good.
Edit: you give my previous post a down arrow but then post something that exactly proves my point. double bingo. [Post edited 26 Jul 2018 8:27]
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Grow up. | |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:28 - Jul 26 with 8716 views | Guthrum |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:16 - Jul 26 by Keno |
You could argue UK politics is long overdue a shift, its 1922 since the last one and such a shame David Owen's ego and Steels timidity balls up the last attempt
There must be a case for
- The anti Europe right wing of the Tories to join UKIP and the like to give a 'right wing'
- The modest sensible Tories to join the liberals to give back a proper slightly pro Europe right of centre party
- The moderate arm of labour to either join the liberals to set up a Democrat left of centre party
- the left wing of labour to become a proper socialist party
If we had that formation then a lit of the issues involving Brexit would disappoints and the parties would be less concerned about fighting themselves |
Prior to 1945, party alignment was a lot more fluid. Crossing the floor was not that uncommon, neither were splits within parties (Joe Chamberlain's Liberals, National Labour). |  |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:28 - Jul 26 with 8715 views | Steve_M |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:24 - Jul 26 by Keno |
I agree on PR as well
such a shame they made a complete balls up of that referendum
we aren't very good at those are we |
It was set up to fail, the worst possible PR option and very limited media coverage. | |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:30 - Jul 26 with 8705 views | lowhouseblue |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:28 - Jul 26 by Herbivore |
Grow up. |
so what is the 'agenda' of the jewish press and community? you must have something in mind? | |
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| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:31 - Jul 26 with 8702 views | Herbivore |
| A Corbyn led Government poses 'existential threat' to the Jewish communities on 08:30 - Jul 26 by lowhouseblue |
so what is the 'agenda' of the jewish press and community? you must have something in mind? |
Where have I mentioned the Jewish press? As I said, grow up. You're pathetic. | |
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