| Birmingham point reduction 11:10 - Jan 14 with 4261 views | lmfcblue |
I'm not sure if there is a post on here re this but hearing Birmingham have broken the FFP rule and could be getting a point reduction, will have to sell players to get some cash back and cant sign any players.
This would put them in the relegation mix!!
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| Birmingham point reduction on 11:11 - Jan 14 with 4235 views | wkj |
Aren't point reductions normally applied to the following season? |  |
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| Birmingham point reduction on 11:12 - Jan 14 with 4192 views | lmfcblue |
| Birmingham point reduction on 11:11 - Jan 14 by wkj |
Aren't point reductions normally applied to the following season? |
dont know, worth a google | | | |
| Birmingham point reduction on 11:14 - Jan 14 with 4173 views | wkj |
| Birmingham point reduction on 11:12 - Jan 14 by lmfcblue |
dont know, worth a google |
Unless things have changed, I believe point reductions are usually applied to the season that follows the judgement. | |
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| Birmingham point reduction on 11:19 - Jan 14 with 4126 views | Guthrum |
| Birmingham point reduction on 11:11 - Jan 14 by wkj |
Aren't point reductions normally applied to the following season? |
Depends when the breach occurred. FFP now works on a rolling, three-year cycle, i.e. the returns being looked at now relate to stuff which happened between summer 2015 and summer 2018. If they have overspent within that period (the limit is, IIRC £39m), then they will be liable for a penalty now.
Tho mostly, so far, those penalties have been in the form of transfer restrictions/embargoes, rather than points reductions. |  |
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| Birmingham point reduction on 11:23 - Jan 14 with 4083 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Birmingham point reduction on 11:19 - Jan 14 by Guthrum |
Depends when the breach occurred. FFP now works on a rolling, three-year cycle, i.e. the returns being looked at now relate to stuff which happened between summer 2015 and summer 2018. If they have overspent within that period (the limit is, IIRC £39m), then they will be liable for a penalty now.
Tho mostly, so far, those penalties have been in the form of transfer restrictions/embargoes, rather than points reductions. |
This. I seem to remember if it's decided April onwards it would be applied to the next season? So it would be applied this year. Hopefully they will enforce. Being under a transfer embargo and exceeding the losses and then spending £2.5M on a player deserves a big punishment. We'll see if they do it though. |  |
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| Birmingham point reduction on 11:29 - Jan 14 with 4025 views | Bluefish |
| Birmingham point reduction on 11:23 - Jan 14 by JammyDodgerrr |
This. I seem to remember if it's decided April onwards it would be applied to the next season? So it would be applied this year. Hopefully they will enforce. Being under a transfer embargo and exceeding the losses and then spending £2.5M on a player deserves a big punishment. We'll see if they do it though. |
How many points are you hoping they lose? Have you seen the league table? |  |
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| Aren;t we heading for a FFP rule on 11:30 - Jan 14 with 4016 views | unstableblue |
Break given the spending going on?! including a 20k a week player? |  |
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| Birmingham point reduction on 11:32 - Jan 14 with 3985 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Birmingham point reduction on 11:29 - Jan 14 by Bluefish |
How many points are you hoping they lose? Have you seen the league table? |
I don't really care, in terms of our fight to stay up. I just hope they get a heavy punishment for such a blatant disregard of the rules. Not for our benefit. | |
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| Aren;t we heading for a FFP rule on 11:33 - Jan 14 with 3978 views | Guthrum |
| Aren;t we heading for a FFP rule on 11:30 - Jan 14 by unstableblue |
Break given the spending going on?! including a 20k a week player? |
Unlikely, given how little we've spent in the preceding two seasons, plus the amount brought in by player sales in the summer. Additionally, expenditure on the Academy is excluded from losses for FFP puropses. | |
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| Birmingham point reduction on 11:44 - Jan 14 with 3908 views | Guthrum |
| Birmingham point reduction on 11:29 - Jan 14 by Bluefish |
How many points are you hoping they lose? Have you seen the league table? |
If it's the full 12, as was being talked about earlier in the season, theat would put them right in the manure. Very much doubt it will be that much, tho - more likely a transfer embargo. | |
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| Birmingham point reduction on 12:24 - Jan 14 with 3730 views | RegencyBlue |
I doubt it will be much help to us.
Even if the EFL dont bottle it, and who would put money on that, any such decision will probably end up being challenged in court and take years to resolve, along the lines of QPR. |  | | |
| Birmingham point reduction on 13:04 - Jan 14 with 3472 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Birmingham point reduction on 11:14 - Jan 14 by wkj |
Unless things have changed, I believe point reductions are usually applied to the season that follows the judgement. |
It changed in the summer. 15 point deduction for Birmingham, they appealed it in August and the appeal hearing is in Feb.
All punishments now have to be applied in the current season [Post edited 14 Jan 2019 13:05]
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| Birmingham point reduction on 13:05 - Jan 14 with 3463 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Birmingham point reduction on 11:44 - Jan 14 by Guthrum |
If it's the full 12, as was being talked about earlier in the season, theat would put them right in the manure. Very much doubt it will be that much, tho - more likely a transfer embargo. |
Maximum punishment is now 21 points | | | |
| Birmingham point reduction on 13:31 - Jan 14 with 3307 views | Guthrum |
| Birmingham point reduction on 12:24 - Jan 14 by RegencyBlue |
I doubt it will be much help to us.
Even if the EFL dont bottle it, and who would put money on that, any such decision will probably end up being challenged in court and take years to resolve, along the lines of QPR. |
A points deduction is easier to enforce, being an internal adjustment to the EFL's own competition, rather than a fine which must be extracted from the club, with an only theoretical penalty of exclusion if they don't comply (complicated in the QPR case because they'd escaped to the Prem). | |
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| Birmingham point reduction on 13:33 - Jan 14 with 3280 views | Guthrum |
| Birmingham point reduction on 13:05 - Jan 14 by ElderGrizzly |
Maximum punishment is now 21 points |
Ah, so 12 points is actually only moderately severe. Still think it unlikely they'll be hit that hard. | |
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| Birmingham point reduction on 14:41 - Jan 14 with 3077 views | RegencyBlue |
| Birmingham point reduction on 13:31 - Jan 14 by Guthrum |
A points deduction is easier to enforce, being an internal adjustment to the EFL's own competition, rather than a fine which must be extracted from the club, with an only theoretical penalty of exclusion if they don't comply (complicated in the QPR case because they'd escaped to the Prem). |
I see what you are saying but imagine if the points deduction leads to them being relegated. I would think a clever lawyer could have a field day regarding the resulting loss of income etc.
That should not figure in the EFL's decision on this in any way, but I bet it does! | | | |
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