| It's weird how in France 08:41 - Apr 17 with 9695 views | chicoazul |
you have loads of civil unrest for many many weeks now over tings like taxation, the cost of diesel etc but you burn half on one cathedral down and all of a sudden they can raise 1bn euros just like that.
It's very ///chef's fingertip kiss |  |
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| It's weird how in France on 12:18 - Apr 17 with 1567 views | jeera |
| It's weird how in France on 12:08 - Apr 17 by BlueBadger |
In fairness, spunking load sof cash on vanity and symbolic projects of arguably little worth at the expense of the needy is not uniquely French - we're spending BILLIONS on refurbishing the Palace of Westminster, HS2, Trident and Brexit after all. |
Boris's bridge.
How was that even a consideration? |  |
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| It's weird how in France on 12:25 - Apr 17 with 1560 views | footers |
| It's weird how in France on 12:18 - Apr 17 by jeera |
Boris's bridge.
How was that even a consideration? |
For some strange reason I've been seeing possible private crowdfunding stuff for that lately!
These people must be certified nutters. I believe we spent 60m on that. Hope they've got deep pockets! |  |
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| It's weird how in France on 12:26 - Apr 17 with 1554 views | chicoazul |
| It's weird how in France on 11:48 - Apr 17 by BlueBadger |
Better healthcare, policing and public services? |
If high taxation resulted in those things then Singapore should be like Cambodia. | |
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| It's weird how in France on 12:27 - Apr 17 with 1551 views | chicoazul |
| It's weird how in France on 11:11 - Apr 17 by BlueBadger |
In all fairness, you'd have to be a bit of a psychopath to suggest that looking after the vulnerable, sick and disabled, educating your children ad keeping the streets safe WEREN'T goods thing, though. |
And who is suggesting that, precisely? | |
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| It's weird how in France on 12:31 - Apr 17 with 1537 views | jeera |
| It's weird how in France on 09:47 - Apr 17 by BrixtonBlue |
Just like how the Tories said there was no magic money tree and then swiftly found £90m for the DUP. |
A billion was reported. | |
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| It's weird how in France on 12:32 - Apr 17 with 1535 views | chicoazul |
| It's weird how in France on 11:26 - Apr 17 by Guthrum |
I disagree.
Society is the framework within which human civilization has developed. Taxes have always been paid to finance that (in kind and in service, if not money).
If we wish to perpetuate that civilization, rather than reverting to an individualistic hunter-gatherer lifestyle, then there is a responsibility to continue funding it. To do otherwise really is expecting nice things for free.
One could argue that governments and state apparatus are an inefficient way to run things. But there has to be some sort of organisational structure, economies of scale cannot be taken advantage of and centralisation helps avoid duplication of effort. I'm not against private enterprise in the commercial sphere, but when providing public services the necessity to make a return on investment is at odds with the unprofitable nature of providing that service to people who cannot afford to pay for it.
If governments did not exist, someone would have to invent them - as happened in the earliest human societies (it's no coincidence that the oldest documents found are official accounts). |
All I simply say is that, when you make taxes a question of morality, then you are subject to other people having "better" (or what we actually mean by this, different) morals than you, as we see on here all the time. It may in fact be a more ethical thing to avoid paying tax as much as possible and perhaps Governments agree given they give so much opportunity for exactly that. | |
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| It's weird how in France on 12:33 - Apr 17 with 1520 views | 26_Paz |
| It's weird how in France on 12:12 - Apr 17 by jeera |
List it.
Explain exactly how it works. |
List what exactly?
Explain how what works? |  |
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| It's weird how in France on 12:42 - Apr 17 with 1503 views | jeera |
| It's weird how in France on 12:33 - Apr 17 by 26_Paz |
List what exactly?
Explain how what works? |
All this welfare you keep repeatedly saying is being churned out willy-nilly.
"From April 2018, the rate for contribution based JSA is: age under 25 - £57.90. age 25 or over - £73.10."
That's that bit covered for you.
What's worrying you, because there's not much room for recreation on those miniscule amounts.
Edit; your post says: "With the level of welfare in this country the only reason why anyone would be unable to buy food is if they have wasted their benefits on ill advised pursuits (drink, fags, drugs etc)."
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| It's weird how in France on 12:54 - Apr 17 with 1454 views | 26_Paz |
| It's weird how in France on 12:42 - Apr 17 by jeera |
All this welfare you keep repeatedly saying is being churned out willy-nilly.
"From April 2018, the rate for contribution based JSA is: age under 25 - £57.90. age 25 or over - £73.10."
That's that bit covered for you.
What's worrying you, because there's not much room for recreation on those miniscule amounts.
Edit; your post says: "With the level of welfare in this country the only reason why anyone would be unable to buy food is if they have wasted their benefits on ill advised pursuits (drink, fags, drugs etc)."
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Can get a lot of food for £57.90 mate. I got a loaf of bread for 20p the other day. I big bag of rice is less than a quid. Bag of dried pasta in sanisburys is 30p. | |
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| It's weird how in France on 12:56 - Apr 17 with 1451 views | eireblue |
| It's weird how in France on 12:54 - Apr 17 by 26_Paz |
Can get a lot of food for £57.90 mate. I got a loaf of bread for 20p the other day. I big bag of rice is less than a quid. Bag of dried pasta in sanisburys is 30p. |
How are you cooking the rice? |  | | |
| It's weird how in France on 12:58 - Apr 17 with 1441 views | 26_Paz |
| It's weird how in France on 12:56 - Apr 17 by eireblue |
How are you cooking the rice? |
Obviously you have gas and electric bills as well ... but as you will see my shopping list added up to nowhere near £57.90 | |
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| It's weird how in France on 12:59 - Apr 17 with 1436 views | eireblue |
| It's weird how in France on 12:58 - Apr 17 by 26_Paz |
Obviously you have gas and electric bills as well ... but as you will see my shopping list added up to nowhere near £57.90 |
Where are you cooking the rice? | | | |
| It's weird how in France on 12:59 - Apr 17 with 1435 views | BrixtonBlue |
| It's weird how in France on 12:31 - Apr 17 by jeera |
A billion was reported. |
Oh right, even worse than I remembered. |  |
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| It's weird how in France on 13:00 - Apr 17 with 1431 views | footers |
| It's weird how in France on 12:58 - Apr 17 by 26_Paz |
Obviously you have gas and electric bills as well ... but as you will see my shopping list added up to nowhere near £57.90 |
Attacking the jobless is a strange hill to die on.
Especially when there will be as many personal circumstances as there are claimants.
I know this won't fit your black and white view of the world but might be worth thinking on. | |
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| It's weird how in France on 13:00 - Apr 17 with 1430 views | XYZ |
| It's weird how in France on 12:32 - Apr 17 by chicoazul |
All I simply say is that, when you make taxes a question of morality, then you are subject to other people having "better" (or what we actually mean by this, different) morals than you, as we see on here all the time. It may in fact be a more ethical thing to avoid paying tax as much as possible and perhaps Governments agree given they give so much opportunity for exactly that. |
Trying to follow your argument here. I've concluded you're now trolling yourself. |  | | |
| It's weird how in France on 13:01 - Apr 17 with 1420 views | XYZ |
| It's weird how in France on 11:26 - Apr 17 by Guthrum |
I disagree.
Society is the framework within which human civilization has developed. Taxes have always been paid to finance that (in kind and in service, if not money).
If we wish to perpetuate that civilization, rather than reverting to an individualistic hunter-gatherer lifestyle, then there is a responsibility to continue funding it. To do otherwise really is expecting nice things for free.
One could argue that governments and state apparatus are an inefficient way to run things. But there has to be some sort of organisational structure, economies of scale cannot be taken advantage of and centralisation helps avoid duplication of effort. I'm not against private enterprise in the commercial sphere, but when providing public services the necessity to make a return on investment is at odds with the unprofitable nature of providing that service to people who cannot afford to pay for it.
If governments did not exist, someone would have to invent them - as happened in the earliest human societies (it's no coincidence that the oldest documents found are official accounts). |
You're "on fire" this morning, Guthers. Top work. | | | |
| It's weird how in France on 13:02 - Apr 17 with 1413 views | 26_Paz |
| It's weird how in France on 12:59 - Apr 17 by eireblue |
Where are you cooking the rice? |
Obviously you have ( heavily government subsidised) rent as well ... but as you will see my shopping list added up to nowhere near £57.90 | |
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| It's weird how in France on 13:07 - Apr 17 with 1395 views | jeera |
| It's weird how in France on 12:54 - Apr 17 by 26_Paz |
Can get a lot of food for £57.90 mate. I got a loaf of bread for 20p the other day. I big bag of rice is less than a quid. Bag of dried pasta in sanisburys is 30p. |
You do understand bills need to be paid don't you?
It's not a food allowance.
Rent aside, that figure is everything.
Everything.
Do you live with you mum or something, where all is free? | |
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| It's weird how in France on 13:09 - Apr 17 with 1387 views | eireblue |
| It's weird how in France on 13:02 - Apr 17 by 26_Paz |
Obviously you have ( heavily government subsidised) rent as well ... but as you will see my shopping list added up to nowhere near £57.90 |
For a healthy diet, you need more than rice, pasta and bread, 3 times a day, 365 days a year.
Where are you getting the other necessary nutrients to meet the NHS recommended guidelines for a healthy diet? | | | |
| It's weird how in France on 13:09 - Apr 17 with 1387 views | jeera |
| It's weird how in France on 13:02 - Apr 17 by 26_Paz |
Obviously you have ( heavily government subsidised) rent as well ... but as you will see my shopping list added up to nowhere near £57.90 |
Seriously, no one is is this ignorant.
Do you really believe that payment is for food? | |
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| It's weird how in France on 13:09 - Apr 17 with 1389 views | BloomBlue |
Self made millionaires who made their millions from hard work and taking a few gambles give personal money to charity (Church) shocker |  | | |
| It's weird how in France on 13:13 - Apr 17 with 1363 views | 26_Paz |
| It's weird how in France on 13:09 - Apr 17 by jeera |
Seriously, no one is is this ignorant.
Do you really believe that payment is for food? |
No, its for everything but I honestly believe one person could feed themselves for £20 a week. Just eat cheap stuff. | |
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| It's weird how in France on 13:14 - Apr 17 with 1359 views | 26_Paz |
| It's weird how in France on 13:09 - Apr 17 by eireblue |
For a healthy diet, you need more than rice, pasta and bread, 3 times a day, 365 days a year.
Where are you getting the other necessary nutrients to meet the NHS recommended guidelines for a healthy diet? |
If you don't want to get a job you have to make sacrifices | |
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| It's weird how in France on 13:16 - Apr 17 with 1352 views | footers |
| It's weird how in France on 13:13 - Apr 17 by 26_Paz |
No, its for everything but I honestly believe one person could feed themselves for £20 a week. Just eat cheap stuff. |
Which leaves a huge 160 to cover rents and rates and everything else a month.
Sod this. I'm going on the dole, lucky beggars. | |
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| It's weird how in France on 13:16 - Apr 17 with 1351 views | eireblue |
| It's weird how in France on 13:14 - Apr 17 by 26_Paz |
If you don't want to get a job you have to make sacrifices |
In other words, you don't have an answer to that question. | | | |
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