| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 11:51 - May 14 with 2847 views | GeoffSentence |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 11:07 - May 14 by jeera |
Numbers certainly seem to be up although I can't say I've exactly done much research.
How pigeons survive at all, let alone thrive the way they do is beyond me.
They're stupid beyond belief. |
They are a bit like people, they just love shagging. Pigeons breed all year round. |  |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 12:15 - May 14 with 2824 views | LKW15 |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 10:53 - May 14 by Herbivore |
Good for him. And Packham has been at pains to point out that the changes he's pushed for won't stop legitimate pest control and nor is that his aim. The licencing system had basically given people carte blanche to shoot up as much avian wildlife as they fancied. |
indeed, sadly i think he is in the minority. Unfortunately mixing in his social circle has meant I've met plenty of bellends who have to use shooting animals as a penis extension |  | | |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 12:16 - May 14 with 2824 views | never_lose_the_faith |
I am certainly not for just shooting things for the sake of it, but do you realise the damage that crows and rooks do, they will wipe out a lot of songbirds if they are not controlled. I think that country folk and farmers who see and deal with problems daily should have a say not some townie who has not got a clue and lives in dreamland | | | |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 12:18 - May 14 with 2820 views | Herbivore |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 12:16 - May 14 by never_lose_the_faith |
I am certainly not for just shooting things for the sake of it, but do you realise the damage that crows and rooks do, they will wipe out a lot of songbirds if they are not controlled. I think that country folk and farmers who see and deal with problems daily should have a say not some townie who has not got a clue and lives in dreamland |
Yeah, what does Chris Packham know about wildlife?
I'm not sure you've bothered reading up on what this is actually about. |  |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 12:19 - May 14 with 2821 views | jeera |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 12:16 - May 14 by never_lose_the_faith |
I am certainly not for just shooting things for the sake of it, but do you realise the damage that crows and rooks do, they will wipe out a lot of songbirds if they are not controlled. I think that country folk and farmers who see and deal with problems daily should have a say not some townie who has not got a clue and lives in dreamland |
It's a fair point as it goes. They'll kill and eat anything and seem to have few, if any, predators themselves.
There's a little duck pond outside of my mother's place and every years the crows pick off the babies one by one. |  |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 12:23 - May 14 with 2817 views | never_lose_the_faith |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 12:19 - May 14 by jeera |
It's a fair point as it goes. They'll kill and eat anything and seem to have few, if any, predators themselves.
There's a little duck pond outside of my mother's place and every years the crows pick off the babies one by one. |
@jeera
You can not reason with these people, they clearly dont know the facts at all otherwise why downvote me, when all I am doing is stating the truth.
Show them some pictures of crows pecking out week lambs eyes and disembarking them aswell.
I wish there was no harm at all to any humans or animals and we could all live happily on earth together, but I am a realist, life ain’t fair, you just have to look to nature for that, animals are the most savage going | | | |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 13:41 - May 14 with 2792 views | SpruceMoose |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 12:16 - May 14 by never_lose_the_faith |
I am certainly not for just shooting things for the sake of it, but do you realise the damage that crows and rooks do, they will wipe out a lot of songbirds if they are not controlled. I think that country folk and farmers who see and deal with problems daily should have a say not some townie who has not got a clue and lives in dreamland |
If that's the case I think those country folk should keep their beaks out of urban matters. |  |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 15:49 - May 14 with 2772 views | jeera |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 13:41 - May 14 by SpruceMoose |
If that's the case I think those country folk should keep their beaks out of urban matters. |
I was just outside giving the car a once over with the pressure washer.
As I stood there armed and feeling empowered, a crow flew low overhead.
I did smile to myself as I quietly considered it. | |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 15:50 - May 14 with 2771 views | never_lose_the_faith |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 13:41 - May 14 by SpruceMoose |
If that's the case I think those country folk should keep their beaks out of urban matters. |
Gladly, we don’t get any say anyway. | | | |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 15:54 - May 14 with 2767 views | SpruceMoose |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 15:50 - May 14 by never_lose_the_faith |
Gladly, we don’t get any say anyway. |
Really? Someone needs to tell Suffolk county to stop neglecting Ipswich and favouring the bumpkins then. | |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 16:01 - May 14 with 2760 views | never_lose_the_faith |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 15:54 - May 14 by SpruceMoose |
Really? Someone needs to tell Suffolk county to stop neglecting Ipswich and favouring the bumpkins then. |
Favouring the country bumpkin, you can’t drive more than ten yards in the country before hitting a pot hole, I’m not sure what services you think we get that are better than in the towns.
I think as all townies love the environment so much then they should have to lay a congestion charge tax in every town or city centre and also charge way more road tax as you use the roads a,it more and they are better looked after and have millions more spent on them.
But of course people pretend to love the environment until it hits them in their own pockets.
Hypocrites the lot of them | | | |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 16:01 - May 14 with 2758 views | SpruceMoose |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 16:01 - May 14 by never_lose_the_faith |
Favouring the country bumpkin, you can’t drive more than ten yards in the country before hitting a pot hole, I’m not sure what services you think we get that are better than in the towns.
I think as all townies love the environment so much then they should have to lay a congestion charge tax in every town or city centre and also charge way more road tax as you use the roads a,it more and they are better looked after and have millions more spent on them.
But of course people pretend to love the environment until it hits them in their own pockets.
Hypocrites the lot of them |
Are you ok hun? x | |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 16:06 - May 14 with 2753 views | Herbivore |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 16:01 - May 14 by never_lose_the_faith |
Favouring the country bumpkin, you can’t drive more than ten yards in the country before hitting a pot hole, I’m not sure what services you think we get that are better than in the towns.
I think as all townies love the environment so much then they should have to lay a congestion charge tax in every town or city centre and also charge way more road tax as you use the roads a,it more and they are better looked after and have millions more spent on them.
But of course people pretend to love the environment until it hits them in their own pockets.
Hypocrites the lot of them |
I love the environment and walk to the city centre and to my local shop. It's you bumpkins driving 10 miles to buy a pint of milk that are killing the Earth. | |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 16:06 - May 14 with 2754 views | Lesta_Tractor |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 17:18 - May 13 by SpruceMoose |
Well, I guess 'Dogfest' may have attracted a rather different customer type... [Post edited 13 May 2019 17:19]
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Yes, Dogfest at the MCC has been renamed the Dog Lovers Show...
https://dogloversshow.com.au/melbourne/ |  |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 16:14 - May 14 with 2735 views | Lord_Lucan |
I’m not really into killing animals for the hell of it but wasn’t there something about some birds regularly pecking sheep’s eyes out or something?
As for the shooting community - which is a different argument I guess, the thought of spending my day in the countryside and shooting birds really isn’t my thing but I’m not sure it’s that black and white as the shooting community do a fair bit for conservation. Mind you I was down in Dorset the other week and I was a bit taken aback that they shoot so many pheasants on their shoot days that most of them get burnt. I had always assumed that they went to local butchers where they were sold by the brace but apparently there are far too many shot for that. It’s a petty they couldn’t give them all away.
Let them eat pheasant. |  |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 16:17 - May 14 with 2725 views | GeoffSentence |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 12:16 - May 14 by never_lose_the_faith |
I am certainly not for just shooting things for the sake of it, but do you realise the damage that crows and rooks do, they will wipe out a lot of songbirds if they are not controlled. I think that country folk and farmers who see and deal with problems daily should have a say not some townie who has not got a clue and lives in dreamland |
Country folk.
This seems to be used in the same manner as 'the fans'
There isn't one homogenous block of 'country folk'. Just like 'townies', country folk hold a wide variety of different views. We aren't all in favour of killing things for fun. | |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 16:17 - May 14 with 2725 views | SpruceMoose |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 16:14 - May 14 by Lord_Lucan |
I’m not really into killing animals for the hell of it but wasn’t there something about some birds regularly pecking sheep’s eyes out or something?
As for the shooting community - which is a different argument I guess, the thought of spending my day in the countryside and shooting birds really isn’t my thing but I’m not sure it’s that black and white as the shooting community do a fair bit for conservation. Mind you I was down in Dorset the other week and I was a bit taken aback that they shoot so many pheasants on their shoot days that most of them get burnt. I had always assumed that they went to local butchers where they were sold by the brace but apparently there are far too many shot for that. It’s a petty they couldn’t give them all away.
Let them eat pheasant. |
An old colleague used to be in a pheasant blasting club.
He'd bring his birds into the office on a Monday during the shooting season to see if anyone wanted them. He was so proud, like a Labrador wagging his tail.
Never understood it myself. Might as well go to the zoo and shoot something through the bars. | |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 17:40 - May 14 with 2699 views | gordon |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 12:16 - May 14 by never_lose_the_faith |
I am certainly not for just shooting things for the sake of it, but do you realise the damage that crows and rooks do, they will wipe out a lot of songbirds if they are not controlled. I think that country folk and farmers who see and deal with problems daily should have a say not some townie who has not got a clue and lives in dreamland |
There's a lot of research into this, and there's very little evidence of predation causing declines of songbirds. Intensification of farming practices in various ways or loss of habitat on wintering grounds is largely responsible for declines in declining songbird species.
Declines in Grey Partridge, Black Grouse, Lapwing, Curlew and a few other waders are linked to predation, though it's usually Foxes / Badgers / other Mammals which are the main culprits - although increasing corvid populations will certainly be a part of these declines too. |  | | |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 05:27 - May 15 with 2644 views | never_lose_the_faith |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 17:40 - May 14 by gordon |
There's a lot of research into this, and there's very little evidence of predation causing declines of songbirds. Intensification of farming practices in various ways or loss of habitat on wintering grounds is largely responsible for declines in declining songbird species.
Declines in Grey Partridge, Black Grouse, Lapwing, Curlew and a few other waders are linked to predation, though it's usually Foxes / Badgers / other Mammals which are the main culprits - although increasing corvid populations will certainly be a part of these declines too. |
I do not need some research by some pen pusher ,when I see it everyday with my own eyes, that’s the thing with living in the countryside, we live it everyday, not waiting for some survey to come out.
If you think that they don’t kill songbirds then I think you should educate yourself on the matter better
P.s. I have never shot any animal in my life, nor will i [Post edited 15 May 2019 5:28]
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 06:15 - May 15 with 2634 views | BackToRussia |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 05:27 - May 15 by never_lose_the_faith |
I do not need some research by some pen pusher ,when I see it everyday with my own eyes, that’s the thing with living in the countryside, we live it everyday, not waiting for some survey to come out.
If you think that they don’t kill songbirds then I think you should educate yourself on the matter better
P.s. I have never shot any animal in my life, nor will i [Post edited 15 May 2019 5:28]
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It's funny how song birds did fine before industrialised agriculture came along isn't it? And how crows and songbirds have always coexisted and their numbers were both healthy before the advent of industrialised agriculture.
Again, I find this funny. Do you? |  |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 08:32 - May 15 with 2592 views | gordon |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 05:27 - May 15 by never_lose_the_faith |
I do not need some research by some pen pusher ,when I see it everyday with my own eyes, that’s the thing with living in the countryside, we live it everyday, not waiting for some survey to come out.
If you think that they don’t kill songbirds then I think you should educate yourself on the matter better
P.s. I have never shot any animal in my life, nor will i [Post edited 15 May 2019 5:28]
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I've spent many, many, hours of my life outside surveying, researching, and monitoring wild birds, and I've worked collaboratively with farmers and gamekeepers on various projects - some with really positive attitudes towards gathering data and contributing to research rather than just making lazy, thoughtless statements.
The facts are that Corvids very rarely 'kill' other mature birds - they are primarily scavengers, they will take lots of eggs, nestlings and fledgelings, but not enough to have much affect on songbird populations. Songbirds trends are just very different for different species - Goldfinch, Blackcap, Chiffchaff for example are all 2 or 3 times more abundant now than 20 years ago - this coincides with a period when Corvids have generally increased in abundance across the UK. There's no reason based on their ecology why those species should be less susceptible to nest predation than others.
But as I said, Corvids do have an effect on larger ground nesting birds like waders and gamebirds, and in areas which are good for waders, grey partridge or black grouse particularly, controlling corvids can have significant conservation benefits.
For the example of the ducklings - the reason e.g. Mallards have 2-3 broods a year with 10+ eggs is because they lose lots of the chicks to predators - that's their evolutionary strategy - churn out young which are difficult to protect and loads are lost to predation, but some make it through.
If the average adult female Mallard lays 2 broods per year (of ten eggs each), for let's say 5 productive breeding seasons, that's 100 chicks in a lifetime. To sustain the population requires probably somewhere between 3 or 4 of those 100 or so chicks to become adults. So unless you want the world to slowly fill up with Mallards, then you need a bit of predation to regulate numbers of prey species. [Post edited 15 May 2019 8:34]
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 08:50 - May 15 with 2579 views | gordon |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 06:15 - May 15 by BackToRussia |
It's funny how song birds did fine before industrialised agriculture came along isn't it? And how crows and songbirds have always coexisted and their numbers were both healthy before the advent of industrialised agriculture.
Again, I find this funny. Do you? |
There is a genuine problem driving the declines of Lapwing, for example, which is that the amount of food available in our heavily modifed landscapes for corvids and foxes (introduced rabbits and brown hares, and massive numbers of released pheasants and partridges) artificially boosts populations of these meso-predators to levels at which predation of Lapwing nests is at very high levels which is causing severe declines and regionalised extinctions. [Post edited 15 May 2019 8:51]
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 09:05 - May 15 with 2572 views | Herbivore |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 08:50 - May 15 by gordon |
There is a genuine problem driving the declines of Lapwing, for example, which is that the amount of food available in our heavily modifed landscapes for corvids and foxes (introduced rabbits and brown hares, and massive numbers of released pheasants and partridges) artificially boosts populations of these meso-predators to levels at which predation of Lapwing nests is at very high levels which is causing severe declines and regionalised extinctions. [Post edited 15 May 2019 8:51]
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I've seen lapwings, it's fine. | |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 09:09 - May 15 with 2568 views | GeoffSentence |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 09:05 - May 15 by Herbivore |
I've seen lapwings, it's fine. |
As I boy the fields round my way used to be full of flocks of them, now I just see a few here and there. | |
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| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 09:29 - May 15 with 2551 views | Herbivore |
| Real big men with guns yet again act like melts on 09:09 - May 15 by GeoffSentence |
As I boy the fields round my way used to be full of flocks of them, now I just see a few here and there. |
So it's not fine? Now I don't know what to think. If only there were people monitoring the bigger picture. | |
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