| Boris Johnson - court case on 11:35 - May 29 with 2822 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 11:42 - May 29 with 2789 views | homer_123 |
Interesting.
A question - would/ could this lead to a situation where we challenge claims made by politicians more closely? What are the pluses and downsides of this? |  |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 11:44 - May 29 with 2775 views | ShropshireBluenago09 |
Dont particularly like Boris, but why target one man. The whole leave team promoted this. What a waste of time. £200k should have gone to a charity. Project Fear lied as well. |  |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 11:57 - May 29 with 2715 views | Pinewoodblue |
The timing of this action stinks. It is interference in the election of a new conservative leader and thus Prime Minister.
The last such interference, about Article 50, to some extent backfired as making parliament approve the submission of the Article 50 letter legitimated the outcome of the first referendum.
If you want to see power pass to a small minority who can afford to fund such actions then it is a good thing. Where do you stop Politicians distort the truth each and every day. Both sides in the Referendum campaign distorted the truth daily. |  |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:00 - May 29 with 2681 views | artsbossbeard |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 11:57 - May 29 by Pinewoodblue |
The timing of this action stinks. It is interference in the election of a new conservative leader and thus Prime Minister.
The last such interference, about Article 50, to some extent backfired as making parliament approve the submission of the Article 50 letter legitimated the outcome of the first referendum.
If you want to see power pass to a small minority who can afford to fund such actions then it is a good thing. Where do you stop Politicians distort the truth each and every day. Both sides in the Referendum campaign distorted the truth daily. |
the timing is spot on. Do you want a proven liar to be the next PM? |  |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:03 - May 29 with 2655 views | No9 |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 11:57 - May 29 by Pinewoodblue |
The timing of this action stinks. It is interference in the election of a new conservative leader and thus Prime Minister.
The last such interference, about Article 50, to some extent backfired as making parliament approve the submission of the Article 50 letter legitimated the outcome of the first referendum.
If you want to see power pass to a small minority who can afford to fund such actions then it is a good thing. Where do you stop Politicians distort the truth each and every day. Both sides in the Referendum campaign distorted the truth daily. |
You are wrong.
This case has been going on for several months & is NOT connected with either brexit or the tory leadership contest.
The case is about telling porkies and abuse of position - does anyone not beleive Mr Johnson is a complete liar - about everything? |  | | |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:04 - May 29 with 2644 views | No9 |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 11:44 - May 29 by ShropshireBluenago09 |
Dont particularly like Boris, but why target one man. The whole leave team promoted this. What a waste of time. £200k should have gone to a charity. Project Fear lied as well. |
If you read the case files you can see that many, on both sides were considered.
They probably elected Mr Johnson for very obvious reasons? | | | |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:05 - May 29 with 2639 views | giant_stow |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 11:57 - May 29 by Pinewoodblue |
The timing of this action stinks. It is interference in the election of a new conservative leader and thus Prime Minister.
The last such interference, about Article 50, to some extent backfired as making parliament approve the submission of the Article 50 letter legitimated the outcome of the first referendum.
If you want to see power pass to a small minority who can afford to fund such actions then it is a good thing. Where do you stop Politicians distort the truth each and every day. Both sides in the Referendum campaign distorted the truth daily. |
down with honest politics - boo! |  |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:06 - May 29 with 2633 views | footers |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 11:42 - May 29 by homer_123 |
Interesting.
A question - would/ could this lead to a situation where we challenge claims made by politicians more closely? What are the pluses and downsides of this? |
That would surely be a good thing, no? Obviously ministers have to abide by the ministerial code but why not extend the same to all MPs? With the amount of 'alternative facts' going around at the moment it would be good if we could hold them all to account for what they say. |  |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:08 - May 29 with 2626 views | giant_stow |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:06 - May 29 by footers |
That would surely be a good thing, no? Obviously ministers have to abide by the ministerial code but why not extend the same to all MPs? With the amount of 'alternative facts' going around at the moment it would be good if we could hold them all to account for what they say. |
precisely. Making them watch what they say and make best endeavours to be truthful can only be a good thing. | |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:13 - May 29 with 2590 views | footers |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:08 - May 29 by giant_stow |
precisely. Making them watch what they say and make best endeavours to be truthful can only be a good thing. |
It also raises the point of who we regard as politicians and who would need to be monitored. Demagogues like Nige wouldn't, obviously, be bound by these rules so could continue to spout their rubbish. Same goes with non-parties like the Brexit party... aren't we one step away from Coca Cola announcing candidates (aside from the usual lobbying, of course)? | |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:13 - May 29 with 2586 views | homer_123 |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:06 - May 29 by footers |
That would surely be a good thing, no? Obviously ministers have to abide by the ministerial code but why not extend the same to all MPs? With the amount of 'alternative facts' going around at the moment it would be good if we could hold them all to account for what they say. |
That is certainly an upside.
But consider a situation where an MP might (based on information to hand at the time) report and publicise such information and then subsequently find themselves in court.
Could it add a level of 'risk' that means less people would be interested in getting involved in Politics at that level? | |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:17 - May 29 with 2558 views | footers |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:13 - May 29 by homer_123 |
That is certainly an upside.
But consider a situation where an MP might (based on information to hand at the time) report and publicise such information and then subsequently find themselves in court.
Could it add a level of 'risk' that means less people would be interested in getting involved in Politics at that level? |
It could lead to a far more litigious society like the States which could impede the political process, agreed. It's a tricky one for certain but not sure we can allow blatant lies to be spread in public. The press *usually* don't get away with it either... | |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:18 - May 29 with 2554 views | giant_stow |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:13 - May 29 by homer_123 |
That is certainly an upside.
But consider a situation where an MP might (based on information to hand at the time) report and publicise such information and then subsequently find themselves in court.
Could it add a level of 'risk' that means less people would be interested in getting involved in Politics at that level? |
Your middle para - that would be an honest mistake - surely its possible to distinguish between that and a knowing lie? [Post edited 29 May 2019 12:19]
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:19 - May 29 with 2544 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:03 - May 29 by No9 |
You are wrong.
This case has been going on for several months & is NOT connected with either brexit or the tory leadership contest.
The case is about telling porkies and abuse of position - does anyone not beleive Mr Johnson is a complete liar - about everything? |
This.
I cant believe anyone has a problem with this. The narrative seems to be.... both sides lied, so its OK.
...the narrative should be, if anyone lied with the intention of misleading, then they should face the consequences..... not matter what side they are on.
Personally, I think this kind of action is very important for the future of politics.... especially in the social media age. | |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:19 - May 29 with 2539 views | ShropshireBluenago09 |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:04 - May 29 by No9 |
If you read the case files you can see that many, on both sides were considered.
They probably elected Mr Johnson for very obvious reasons? |
that doesnt make it right though | |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:22 - May 29 with 2520 views | homer_123 |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:17 - May 29 by footers |
It could lead to a far more litigious society like the States which could impede the political process, agreed. It's a tricky one for certain but not sure we can allow blatant lies to be spread in public. The press *usually* don't get away with it either... |
That's my thinking and I think an obvious downside.
As you though, I'm not against holding them to account on such blatant things as this. | |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:22 - May 29 with 2516 views | homer_123 |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:18 - May 29 by giant_stow |
Your middle para - that would be an honest mistake - surely its possible to distinguish between that and a knowing lie? [Post edited 29 May 2019 12:19]
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Yes but that that may not stop people taking an MP to court and curtailing/ slowing/ derailing the political process. | |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:24 - May 29 with 2510 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:18 - May 29 by giant_stow |
Your middle para - that would be an honest mistake - surely its possible to distinguish between that and a knowing lie? [Post edited 29 May 2019 12:19]
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I would hope that if this did come to pass, politicians that immediately retracted/apologised would be treated differently to those that continued to repeat or double down on their lies.
On a related note, I'd love to see a formal fact checker on Question Time, with participants ejected from the panel if they say something untrue more than once. |  | | |
| Boris Johnson - court case (n/t) on 12:27 - May 29 with 2490 views | manchego |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 11:44 - May 29 by ShropshireBluenago09 |
Dont particularly like Boris, but why target one man. The whole leave team promoted this. What a waste of time. £200k should have gone to a charity. Project Fear lied as well. |
[Post edited 29 May 2019 12:56]
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:33 - May 29 with 2456 views | ShropshireBluenago09 |
| Boris Johnson - court case (n/t) on 12:27 - May 29 by manchego |
[Post edited 29 May 2019 12:56]
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I with you here. There is no lie. The bus did not explicitly say that £350m would be spent on the NHS, it just said 'lets fund our NHS instead'.
We do send £350m a week to Europe. [Post edited 29 May 2019 12:34]
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:36 - May 29 with 2431 views | ActionMan |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:00 - May 29 by artsbossbeard |
the timing is spot on. Do you want a proven liar to be the next PM? |
The Lib Dems promoted leaflets (and signs) whos headline was "Vote for Lib Dem to stop Brexit" in EU Parliamentary elections this month, which is not within the remit of MEP's, so shouldn't those new Lib Dem MEP's also face charges for misleading the electorate? Or is it okay to lie so long as you agree with the liar to begin with? |  | | |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:40 - May 29 with 2413 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:24 - May 29 by Clapham_Junction |
I would hope that if this did come to pass, politicians that immediately retracted/apologised would be treated differently to those that continued to repeat or double down on their lies.
On a related note, I'd love to see a formal fact checker on Question Time, with participants ejected from the panel if they say something untrue more than once. |
Doesn't the Daily Mail, almost daily publish a retraction of some sort. Look how often a Barrister will make a comment knowing the judge will ask the jury to retract it. Some mud inevitably sticks. | |
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| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:55 - May 29 with 2345 views | manchego |
| Boris Johnson - court case on 12:33 - May 29 by ShropshireBluenago09 |
I with you here. There is no lie. The bus did not explicitly say that £350m would be spent on the NHS, it just said 'lets fund our NHS instead'.
We do send £350m a week to Europe. [Post edited 29 May 2019 12:34]
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We don't.
350m equates to 18 bn quid.
We send 9 bn quid. | | | |
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