| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 14:02 - Dec 15 with 1037 views | WD19 |
Watched a bit of the ‘Sunday Supplement’ this morning.
Was astounded to hear professional journalists - albeit from the sports desk - saying they had never heard about this issue. Mind blowing.
They also mentioned that Chinese state TV have pulled the Arsenal game today as a reminder to the club which side their bread is buttered. |  | |  |
| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 14:28 - Dec 15 with 1015 views | StokieBlue |
Totally agree.
It was only 15 months or so ago we had some posters on here saying how great it was that Leeds were doing a preseason tour of Myanmar and they really couldn't understand why I didn't think it was appropriate at all.
As you say, perhaps for many football isn't political.
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| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 14:34 - Dec 15 with 996 views | hampstead_blue |
| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 14:02 - Dec 15 by WD19 |
Watched a bit of the ‘Sunday Supplement’ this morning.
Was astounded to hear professional journalists - albeit from the sports desk - saying they had never heard about this issue. Mind blowing.
They also mentioned that Chinese state TV have pulled the Arsenal game today as a reminder to the club which side their bread is buttered. |
Crikey that's a serious worry.
D'Nile is catching. How can they have any credibility. |  |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 14:42 - Dec 15 with 987 views | Bluesquid |
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| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 14:48 - Dec 15 with 978 views | StokieBlue |
| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 14:42 - Dec 15 by Bluesquid |
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Why do you always try and change the subject whenever anything to do with China? The Uighurs and Hong Kong are two examples.
Can you also explain your point?
What did a genocide nearly 30 years ago done by neighbours have to do with a government undertaking cultural cleansing?
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| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 15:08 - Dec 15 with 943 views | Bluesquid |
| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 14:48 - Dec 15 by StokieBlue |
Why do you always try and change the subject whenever anything to do with China? The Uighurs and Hong Kong are two examples.
Can you also explain your point?
What did a genocide nearly 30 years ago done by neighbours have to do with a government undertaking cultural cleansing?
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He tweeted about a crackdown and persecution which is very similar to what is described below and he's got a slogan on his shirt worth 30 million.
"But for many others he is the architect of an authoritarian regime that has stamped out virtually all opposition in Rwanda as opponents are jailed, flee, disappear, or are killed under mysterious circumstances.
“There is absolutely no room for dissent within Rwanda,” said British writer Michela Wrong, who is researching a book on the country. “You agree, you accept Kagame’s supreme power, or you leave.”
Rights groups decry what they describe as rampant violations that include the arbitrary detentions of street children and other poor people as part of an unofficial government program to hide “undesirable” citizens from view, according to Human Rights Watch. Street vendors, many of them women, have been among the main targets, it said.
Civic groups, journalists, rights watchdogs and political opponents “cannot operate independently or criticize government policy,” Human Rights Watch said in its most recent assessment of conditions in Rwanda.
Amnesty International cited a “climate of fear” before Kagame was re-elected to a third term in 2017, a vote that the president described as “a formality” after the most serious challenger was prevented from running and later jailed.
Even government programs ostensibly aimed at forging national unity are criticized by opponents as tools to more tightly control society.
The U.S. State Department, which describes Rwanda as “a constitutional republic dominated by a strong presidency,” also cites the problem of impunity among civilian authorities and the security forces."
https://apnews.com/a97d40a146284383a717aa2ec42eb39b | | | |
| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 15:13 - Dec 15 with 931 views | StokieBlue |
| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 15:08 - Dec 15 by Bluesquid |
He tweeted about a crackdown and persecution which is very similar to what is described below and he's got a slogan on his shirt worth 30 million.
"But for many others he is the architect of an authoritarian regime that has stamped out virtually all opposition in Rwanda as opponents are jailed, flee, disappear, or are killed under mysterious circumstances.
“There is absolutely no room for dissent within Rwanda,” said British writer Michela Wrong, who is researching a book on the country. “You agree, you accept Kagame’s supreme power, or you leave.”
Rights groups decry what they describe as rampant violations that include the arbitrary detentions of street children and other poor people as part of an unofficial government program to hide “undesirable” citizens from view, according to Human Rights Watch. Street vendors, many of them women, have been among the main targets, it said.
Civic groups, journalists, rights watchdogs and political opponents “cannot operate independently or criticize government policy,” Human Rights Watch said in its most recent assessment of conditions in Rwanda.
Amnesty International cited a “climate of fear” before Kagame was re-elected to a third term in 2017, a vote that the president described as “a formality” after the most serious challenger was prevented from running and later jailed.
Even government programs ostensibly aimed at forging national unity are criticized by opponents as tools to more tightly control society.
The U.S. State Department, which describes Rwanda as “a constitutional republic dominated by a strong presidency,” also cites the problem of impunity among civilian authorities and the security forces."
https://apnews.com/a97d40a146284383a717aa2ec42eb39b |
“You agree, you accept Kagame’s supreme power, or you leave.”
Don't even have that option if you are a Uighur - you are forcefully sent to a prison to learn how to be Chinese and forget everything about your culture.
I suspect he has no choice in what he wears to play football, he has a choice on what he tweets.
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| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 15:25 - Dec 15 with 917 views | Bluesquid |
| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 15:13 - Dec 15 by StokieBlue |
“You agree, you accept Kagame’s supreme power, or you leave.”
Don't even have that option if you are a Uighur - you are forcefully sent to a prison to learn how to be Chinese and forget everything about your culture.
I suspect he has no choice in what he wears to play football, he has a choice on what he tweets.
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You missed -
"But for many others he is the architect of an authoritarian regime that has stamped out virtually all opposition in Rwanda as opponents are jailed, flee, disappear, or are killed under mysterious circumstances."
Well according to his morals he should leave Arsenal at the first opportunity and then tweet and explain why and i am not saying that i think he is wrong with what he tweeted but this is a massive case of double standards imo. | | | |
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| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 15:35 - Dec 15 with 897 views | WD19 |
| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 15:25 - Dec 15 by Bluesquid |
You missed -
"But for many others he is the architect of an authoritarian regime that has stamped out virtually all opposition in Rwanda as opponents are jailed, flee, disappear, or are killed under mysterious circumstances."
Well according to his morals he should leave Arsenal at the first opportunity and then tweet and explain why and i am not saying that i think he is wrong with what he tweeted but this is a massive case of double standards imo. |
Double standards don’t really come into it. All he is doing is raising a point, not trying to elevate himself to some kind of moral champion.
Give racism the red card. Unless you are Chinese and give us lots of money, in which case it is fine. Hopefully nobody will even notice. | | | |
| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 15:39 - Dec 15 with 890 views | StokieBlue |
| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 15:25 - Dec 15 by Bluesquid |
You missed -
"But for many others he is the architect of an authoritarian regime that has stamped out virtually all opposition in Rwanda as opponents are jailed, flee, disappear, or are killed under mysterious circumstances."
Well according to his morals he should leave Arsenal at the first opportunity and then tweet and explain why and i am not saying that i think he is wrong with what he tweeted but this is a massive case of double standards imo. |
So it's wrong to highlight injustice and suffering if you don't highlight all injustice and suffering?
It just seems to be that whenever China are criticised you respond with whatabouterry. You are doing it here, with the protests you pointed to France. It's possible to criticise something without relating it to something else if you don't have an agenda.
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| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 16:01 - Dec 15 with 864 views | Bluesquid |
| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 15:39 - Dec 15 by StokieBlue |
So it's wrong to highlight injustice and suffering if you don't highlight all injustice and suffering?
It just seems to be that whenever China are criticised you respond with whatabouterry. You are doing it here, with the protests you pointed to France. It's possible to criticise something without relating it to something else if you don't have an agenda.
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No.
My point is about Ozil and his hypocrisy and i did say that i didn't think that he was wrong with what he tweeted but you seemed to have skipped that. | | | |
| In principle, football shouldn't be political ... on 13:29 - Dec 16 with 750 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Whilst I applaud his stance... he does seem to have been less vocal on the plight of the Syrian Kurds. | |
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