| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' 07:41 - Feb 12 with 7388 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Really? It's a short stretch of rail between London and Brum - with maybe a short extension which is more likely to be quietly dropped as the economy slows post-Brexit.
Last time I looked there was an integrated high speed rail service across most of Europe - some of which can already be accessed from London via the tunnel.
Presumably they just mean it's ludicrously expensive for what it it. |  |
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| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 18:38 - Feb 12 with 2268 views | Terra_Farma |
Clearly you don't work in Construction or have any appreciation how difficult and technically demanding this project is?!
It's not as simple as a "short" stretch of rail between London and Brum.
Granted, it is a chunk of money, however you need to consider all of the work involved.
Maybe you are reminiscing of a time when you built your Thomas the tank engine train set whilst you were still in nappies? I'm afraid it's not as straight forward as that pumpkin. | | | |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 19:47 - Feb 12 with 2241 views | HARRY10 |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 18:34 - Feb 12 by Bugs |
I was told it would be cheaper to reopen an every branch line that Beeching shut down than building HS2.....and it would probably have more of a positive economic impact. |
apart from the poor beggers living in houses now built on those former lines  | | | |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 00:37 - Feb 13 with 2181 views | Ryorry |
Jeez - talk about double whammy - having to fork out ludicrous amount for a treatment for self-inflicted injury! |  |
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| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 00:50 - Feb 13 with 2181 views | Ryorry |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 16:42 - Feb 12 by hype313 |
Hmm the future of work will be digital and hopping on a train to go to work 40 miles away will no longer be a thing. AI and Automation will change the landscape so much, fast forward 20 years and we will have empty fast trains, it will fail on a ROI because the workforce will work from home or in shared office space in towns close to their homes.
HS2 is a solution to a problem now and in times gone by, but it doesn't not provide a solution to future problems. |
Exactly - to me this is the biggest problem of HS2 that both yourself & Harry10 have highlighted.
Up to 11 years now projected to complete Phase 1 to Brum; and phases 2a and 2b, in their own words -
The Transport Secretary added: “The chairman expects Phase 2b, the full high-speed line to Manchester and Leeds, to open between 2035 and 2040.”
20 flamin years?! (and even that's assuming the timetable goes to plan, which in everyone's experience is unlikely). It'll be obsolete by then! Talk about #WhiteElephant, never mind ElephantInTheRoom! This is so obvious to anyone prepared to stand back & see the wood for the trees re future technologies. But then we haven't had a government with 2 braincells to rub together in joined-up long-term thinking for decades  | |
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| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 08:41 - Feb 13 with 2013 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 18:38 - Feb 12 by Terra_Farma |
Clearly you don't work in Construction or have any appreciation how difficult and technically demanding this project is?!
It's not as simple as a "short" stretch of rail between London and Brum.
Granted, it is a chunk of money, however you need to consider all of the work involved.
Maybe you are reminiscing of a time when you built your Thomas the tank engine train set whilst you were still in nappies? I'm afraid it's not as straight forward as that pumpkin. |
I'm afraid it is pretty simple compared to countries with more challenging engineering problems... other than paying through the nose for the land - and avoiding a golf green I don't see much that would have been a two cigar problem for Isambard KIngdom Brunel.
HS2 is expensive - nobody is denying that - but to call it a 'big project - the biggest in Europe' is patently absurd.... it's 120 miles of rail track that seems to have no joined up thinking other than a vague promise to push on to faraway places like Leeds and Manchester maybe at some point in the future.
Putting in a charging system for non-existent electric cars throughout the UK so someone other than middle-class idiots would buy them... now that would be a big infrastructure project - and one that actually would make sense. | |
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| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 12:59 - Feb 13 with 1981 views | Ryorry |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 08:41 - Feb 13 by ElephantintheRoom |
I'm afraid it is pretty simple compared to countries with more challenging engineering problems... other than paying through the nose for the land - and avoiding a golf green I don't see much that would have been a two cigar problem for Isambard KIngdom Brunel.
HS2 is expensive - nobody is denying that - but to call it a 'big project - the biggest in Europe' is patently absurd.... it's 120 miles of rail track that seems to have no joined up thinking other than a vague promise to push on to faraway places like Leeds and Manchester maybe at some point in the future.
Putting in a charging system for non-existent electric cars throughout the UK so someone other than middle-class idiots would buy them... now that would be a big infrastructure project - and one that actually would make sense. |
Not sure that even electric cars are that much of a technology for the future - the electricity to power them still has to be generated by something, somewhere.
And whatever happened to the vision of personal jetpacks?! Individually generated solar power? #DragonsDen anyone? 🤔 | |
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| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 13:56 - Feb 13 with 1958 views | No9 |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 17:33 - Feb 12 by ElephantintheRoom |
They are also putting a tunnel under the bosporus which would appear a tad more challenging than a 120 miles of rail in a flat country.
I seem to remember reading that Norway is doing a startling tunnel linking some islands and Moscow is regenerating a large area and has been for some time.
The point is most countries in Europe have hills and moutains and wide rivers and canyons.... all a bit more challenging than what the UK has to offer - granted we go in for more enquiries and consultants backhanders. |
"They are also putting a tunnel under the bosporus which would appear a tad more challenging than a 120 miles of rail in a flat country. "
Done it works well | | | |
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| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 13:58 - Feb 13 with 1956 views | No9 |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 18:38 - Feb 12 by Terra_Farma |
Clearly you don't work in Construction or have any appreciation how difficult and technically demanding this project is?!
It's not as simple as a "short" stretch of rail between London and Brum.
Granted, it is a chunk of money, however you need to consider all of the work involved.
Maybe you are reminiscing of a time when you built your Thomas the tank engine train set whilst you were still in nappies? I'm afraid it's not as straight forward as that pumpkin. |
After reading that I have to ask - do you work in heavy construction-? | | | |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 13:59 - Feb 13 with 1953 views | No9 |
That is an interesting project but the UK has no contractors who could even lend a hand
Where would the dam material come from? | | | |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 14:00 - Feb 13 with 1952 views | Ryorry |
Gave this its own thread for exposure, but might as well post it here too -
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| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 15:36 - Feb 13 with 1943 views | WeWereZombies |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 13:58 - Feb 13 by No9 |
After reading that I have to ask - do you work in heavy construction-? |
The correct opening to that question is:
'Young man, there's no need to feel down' |  |
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| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 19:21 - Feb 13 with 1926 views | Terra_Farma |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 13:58 - Feb 13 by No9 |
After reading that I have to ask - do you work in heavy construction-? |
No, not heavy construction.............the rail industry. | | | |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 19:22 - Feb 13 with 1925 views | Pecker |
I can't get my head around how much it costs to build a railway. I am definitely in the wrong business. |  | | |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 19:25 - Feb 13 with 1921 views | Terra_Farma |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 17:33 - Feb 12 by ElephantintheRoom |
They are also putting a tunnel under the bosporus which would appear a tad more challenging than a 120 miles of rail in a flat country.
I seem to remember reading that Norway is doing a startling tunnel linking some islands and Moscow is regenerating a large area and has been for some time.
The point is most countries in Europe have hills and moutains and wide rivers and canyons.... all a bit more challenging than what the UK has to offer - granted we go in for more enquiries and consultants backhanders. |
"They are also putting a tunnel under the bosporus which would appear a tad more challenging than a 120 miles of rail in a flat country."
A flat landscape also provides a challenging terrain due to flooding and settlement (granted, not as challenging as burrowing through a mountain!)
It's still a monumental civil engineering project. | | | |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 19:47 - Feb 13 with 1905 views | jaykay |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 19:25 - Feb 13 by Terra_Farma |
"They are also putting a tunnel under the bosporus which would appear a tad more challenging than a 120 miles of rail in a flat country."
A flat landscape also provides a challenging terrain due to flooding and settlement (granted, not as challenging as burrowing through a mountain!)
It's still a monumental civil engineering project. |
with any major construction job today is the price is sky high. due to the many fingers in the pie between the main contractor and the workforce. |  |
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| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 20:09 - Feb 13 with 1892 views | HARRY10 |
| HS2 'Biggest infrastructure project in Europe' on 13:56 - Feb 13 by No9 |
"They are also putting a tunnel under the bosporus which would appear a tad more challenging than a 120 miles of rail in a flat country. "
Done it works well |
with the rail tunnel being 8 miles and the road tunnel being 3.4m
no land disputes, no rivers to crossm no riads either
no services cables, water/gas pipes to re route so avoiding disruption
I'm sure you could built a one mile road in rural suffolk - try it going through Ipswich
but the real concern that it will be a costly and almost totally uneeded white elephant
another bridge over the Orwell has a good case to be made - a decade long construction of a rail line to reduce journey time to London by 10 mins  | | | |
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