| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) 09:03 - Feb 26 with 4043 views | monytowbray |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 14:40 - Feb 26 with 1765 views | monytowbray |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 14:25 - Feb 26 by IHENNERSI |
They are, and it’s also a stupid argument as synthetic down is made from plastic! so you’d be trading a natural sustainable product for something created from fossil fuels. |
The fur isn't...
https://www.newsweek.com/are-canada-goose-jackets-unethical-controversy-explaine
The hoods on Canada Goose's more upscale jackets are lined with fur. But what some consumers don't know is that it's real fur–from wild coyotes. Canada Goose say it sources coyote fur ethically, in accordance with Canada's Agreement of International Humane Trapping Standards (AIHTS), established in 1997 to set a standard for trapping wild animals. Canada Goose also abides by similar regulations in the U.S., where fur is governed by a policy called Best Management Practices (BMP).
The AIHTS specifies that a trap must be shown not to cause harm in at least 80 percent of coyotes. The policy's definition of harm encompases everything from "excessive immobility and unresponsiveness" to amputation and even death. Of course, the coyote is ultimately killed and skinned, but the intended goal is to minimize suffering while in the trap.
The current list of coyote traps approved by the AIHTS include the Belisle Foot Snare, which clamps down on the leg, rather than dig in with sharp "teeth." An additional cable ties the animal down and immobilizes it without injury. Other traps, like the Duke No. 3 Rubber Jaws, use rubber casings on the clamps, which some consider to be more humane.
While Canada has approved both of these traps, they are banned in dozens of countries, including the whole of the EU. A proposal to ban fur from countries using leg-hold traps claimed they "close tightly upon one or more of the animal's limbs and, in doing so, often breaks bones and lacerates the skin." | |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 14:51 - Feb 26 with 1748 views | Cotty |
This is not directly on the topic of the OP, so please forgive me (I'm not going to start ANOTHER thread on this) but it's something that's been playing on my mind more generally on the topic of veganism/sustainable farming. Sustainable farming practices over the centuries have used crop rotation, including rotation of livestock, and use of animal fertiliser, i.e. muck spreading. I am very concerned about the sustainability of our farming practices, and that goes way beyond the concern of, for example, the environmental impact of livestock rearing. What is often missed though is that large arable monoculture farms use fossil-fuel based fertilisers. I just wonder if removing animal rearing entirely from our food production is the right and moral thing to do. Clearly our balance is currently off, but very very large soy bean plantations is also clearly not the answer.
I completely understand that climate change and sustainability might not be your overriding concern in this area, and that animal welfare probably is, but these are exceptionally important questions in our times. |  | | |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 14:56 - Feb 26 with 1727 views | monytowbray |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 14:51 - Feb 26 by Cotty |
This is not directly on the topic of the OP, so please forgive me (I'm not going to start ANOTHER thread on this) but it's something that's been playing on my mind more generally on the topic of veganism/sustainable farming. Sustainable farming practices over the centuries have used crop rotation, including rotation of livestock, and use of animal fertiliser, i.e. muck spreading. I am very concerned about the sustainability of our farming practices, and that goes way beyond the concern of, for example, the environmental impact of livestock rearing. What is often missed though is that large arable monoculture farms use fossil-fuel based fertilisers. I just wonder if removing animal rearing entirely from our food production is the right and moral thing to do. Clearly our balance is currently off, but very very large soy bean plantations is also clearly not the answer.
I completely understand that climate change and sustainability might not be your overriding concern in this area, and that animal welfare probably is, but these are exceptionally important questions in our times. |
The Soy plantations already exist and there’s more than enough to feed the world (and end world hunger) but upwards of 90% it goes into animal feed. It’s not perfect but for sustainability it’s a HUGE step in the right direction. | |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 14:56 - Feb 26 with 1722 views | BackToRussia |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 14:51 - Feb 26 by Cotty |
This is not directly on the topic of the OP, so please forgive me (I'm not going to start ANOTHER thread on this) but it's something that's been playing on my mind more generally on the topic of veganism/sustainable farming. Sustainable farming practices over the centuries have used crop rotation, including rotation of livestock, and use of animal fertiliser, i.e. muck spreading. I am very concerned about the sustainability of our farming practices, and that goes way beyond the concern of, for example, the environmental impact of livestock rearing. What is often missed though is that large arable monoculture farms use fossil-fuel based fertilisers. I just wonder if removing animal rearing entirely from our food production is the right and moral thing to do. Clearly our balance is currently off, but very very large soy bean plantations is also clearly not the answer.
I completely understand that climate change and sustainability might not be your overriding concern in this area, and that animal welfare probably is, but these are exceptionally important questions in our times. |
Fairly obvious, you use animals to fertilise and mob graze, which sequesters carbon but don't eat them. If you don't want to. |  |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 15:26 - Feb 26 with 1689 views | BiGDonnie |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 09:13 - Feb 26 by monytowbray |
Leather, although I don't agree with it, is at least a byproduct. Trapping coyotes in inhumane traps and tearing the feathers out of geese is nothing more than outright sadistic for the sake of fashion/comfort. |
And warmth, don't forget how warm those badboys are! |  |
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| Welcome to the club on 15:28 - Feb 26 with 1684 views | Dyland |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 10:33 - Feb 26 by monytowbray |
This. The older I get the more I see the law as a way of protecting those with enough money to get away with exploitation than a code of moral conduct that is punishable for breaking.
Plain clothed police officers assisting ticket assistants on trains with fines is always a fun one. Literally being paid by the government to enforce contractual agreements for a private company. I thought their job was to keep people safe. |
The law is an ass. |  |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:12 - Feb 26 with 1645 views | Lord_Lucan |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 14:34 - Feb 26 by artsbossbeard |
The website says that this is the case.
I won't post the link as underneath it goes into another section on ethical hunting methods for the fur, which is a 10 pager waiting to happen. |
Haven't you got one of those Canada Goose jackets my old vegetarian mucker? |  |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:13 - Feb 26 with 1644 views | artsbossbeard |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:12 - Feb 26 by Lord_Lucan |
Haven't you got one of those Canada Goose jackets my old vegetarian mucker? |
Moncler.
Fur lined (Artic fox) hood too. |  |
| Please note: prior to hitting the post button, I've double checked for anything that could be construed as "Anti Semitic" and to the best of my knowledge it isn't. Anything deemed to be of a Xenophobic nature is therefore purely accidental or down to your own misconstruing. | | Poll: | Raining in IP8 - shall I get the washing in? |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:30 - Feb 26 with 1605 views | Lord_Lucan |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:13 - Feb 26 by artsbossbeard |
Moncler.
Fur lined (Artic fox) hood too. |
Marlene is almost a veggie now (for non ethical reasons obviously), last night I cooked her cauliflower steaks with oyster sauce, stuffed mushrooms and a side stir fry, she said it was tremendous.
The problem is that I haven't got much in my head - recipe wise - on the veggie stuff so you may have to fire some recipes over, assuming you don't just buy convenience meals.
Edit; What am I thinking, you used to buy convenience sausage and mash when you ate meat. | |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:38 - Feb 26 with 1592 views | artsbossbeard |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:30 - Feb 26 by Lord_Lucan |
Marlene is almost a veggie now (for non ethical reasons obviously), last night I cooked her cauliflower steaks with oyster sauce, stuffed mushrooms and a side stir fry, she said it was tremendous.
The problem is that I haven't got much in my head - recipe wise - on the veggie stuff so you may have to fire some recipes over, assuming you don't just buy convenience meals.
Edit; What am I thinking, you used to buy convenience sausage and mash when you ate meat. |
I have an excellent 3 bean chilli recipe, which is perfect. | |
| Please note: prior to hitting the post button, I've double checked for anything that could be construed as "Anti Semitic" and to the best of my knowledge it isn't. Anything deemed to be of a Xenophobic nature is therefore purely accidental or down to your own misconstruing. | | Poll: | Raining in IP8 - shall I get the washing in? |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:41 - Feb 26 with 1578 views | monytowbray |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:30 - Feb 26 by Lord_Lucan |
Marlene is almost a veggie now (for non ethical reasons obviously), last night I cooked her cauliflower steaks with oyster sauce, stuffed mushrooms and a side stir fry, she said it was tremendous.
The problem is that I haven't got much in my head - recipe wise - on the veggie stuff so you may have to fire some recipes over, assuming you don't just buy convenience meals.
Edit; What am I thinking, you used to buy convenience sausage and mash when you ate meat. |
I swear by the veggie chick'n chunks that M&S and now co-Op sell. They marinade good. Also, I can give you a rad recipe for scrambled tofu but as she's eating egg still it may not be needed. It's still worth a try though. | |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:44 - Feb 26 with 1565 views | artsbossbeard |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:41 - Feb 26 by monytowbray |
I swear by the veggie chick'n chunks that M&S and now co-Op sell. They marinade good. Also, I can give you a rad recipe for scrambled tofu but as she's eating egg still it may not be needed. It's still worth a try though. |
What's the upper age limit for using the word "rad"?
Asking for a friend. | |
| Please note: prior to hitting the post button, I've double checked for anything that could be construed as "Anti Semitic" and to the best of my knowledge it isn't. Anything deemed to be of a Xenophobic nature is therefore purely accidental or down to your own misconstruing. | | Poll: | Raining in IP8 - shall I get the washing in? |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:44 - Feb 26 with 1564 views | Mullet |
I'm amazed you've only just noticed. Thought this had been on the vegangenda for years given the videos going about ages ago. Or am I just way ahead in terms of this catching on?
Horrible clobber anyway. |  |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:50 - Feb 26 with 1539 views | Lord_Lucan |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:41 - Feb 26 by monytowbray |
I swear by the veggie chick'n chunks that M&S and now co-Op sell. They marinade good. Also, I can give you a rad recipe for scrambled tofu but as she's eating egg still it may not be needed. It's still worth a try though. |
Thanks Callis.
I tend not to purchase prepacked stuff and I'm not sure she is ready for tofu yet. We've been fed that sh1t in China and it looks like a solid textured sugar lump and tastes of.......well, nothing. Are there different types of tofu? | |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:52 - Feb 26 with 1534 views | monytowbray |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:50 - Feb 26 by Lord_Lucan |
Thanks Callis.
I tend not to purchase prepacked stuff and I'm not sure she is ready for tofu yet. We've been fed that sh1t in China and it looks like a solid textured sugar lump and tastes of.......well, nothing. Are there different types of tofu? |
Loads! Firmness plays a big part in tofu. My favourite is the Tofoo smoked one, very firm, although the lighter ones can be better for chunk-based dishes if you drain it first and cook it in the oven (I find it's nicer than frying it).
The trick to tofu is seasoning/sauce, getting the texture right when cooking and remembering you can't marinade it as flavour doesn't stick. Often if I make a stir fry with tofu I throw it in right at the end to keep the texture. | |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:57 - Feb 26 with 1513 views | monytowbray |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:44 - Feb 26 by artsbossbeard |
What's the upper age limit for using the word "rad"?
Asking for a friend. |
Dunno but I refuse to grow up. We all do in our own little ways. | |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 17:13 - Feb 26 with 1499 views | BackToRussia |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:30 - Feb 26 by Lord_Lucan |
Marlene is almost a veggie now (for non ethical reasons obviously), last night I cooked her cauliflower steaks with oyster sauce, stuffed mushrooms and a side stir fry, she said it was tremendous.
The problem is that I haven't got much in my head - recipe wise - on the veggie stuff so you may have to fire some recipes over, assuming you don't just buy convenience meals.
Edit; What am I thinking, you used to buy convenience sausage and mash when you ate meat. |
I recommend lentils and chickpeas, but especially lentils. They taste great just on their own. | |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 17:40 - Feb 26 with 1480 views | Lord_Lucan |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 17:13 - Feb 26 by BackToRussia |
I recommend lentils and chickpeas, but especially lentils. They taste great just on their own. |
Good shout BTR, I also like them, I could curry the lentils up. | |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 17:54 - Feb 26 with 1464 views | BackToRussia |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 17:40 - Feb 26 by Lord_Lucan |
Good shout BTR, I also like them, I could curry the lentils up. |
Yeah dhals are bloody lovely. Good base too. | |
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| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 18:16 - Feb 26 with 1449 views | Pecker |
Cried whilst reading that. This needs much more public awareness. Tha ba$trad$. |  | | |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 18:46 - Feb 26 with 1437 views | jeera |
| If you wear a Canada Goose coat you may as well be wearing fur (n/t) on 16:44 - Feb 26 by Mullet |
I'm amazed you've only just noticed. Thought this had been on the vegangenda for years given the videos going about ages ago. Or am I just way ahead in terms of this catching on?
Horrible clobber anyway. |
Probably already mentioned somewhere in the thread but I remember watching a video showing an angora rabbit being plucked and screaming in pain.
Merciless, cruel way to harvest fur.
I would assume there's other kinder ways but I wouldn't touch the stuff based on that alone. |  |
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