| Star Wars films ranked in order of preference 08:16 - May 18 with 7806 views | GlasgowBlue |
1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Rogue One
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. Return of the Jedi
6. Rise of Skywalker
7. The Phantom Menace
8. Solo: A Star Wars Story
9. The Last Jedi
10. The Force Awakens
11. Attack of the Clones
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| Star Wars films ranked in order of preference on 12:41 - May 23 with 838 views | Libero |
| Star Wars films ranked in order of preference on 12:26 - May 23 by Warkystache |
The three best are New Hope, Empire and Rogue One. Rogue One is so far better than any of the prequels/sequels that you have to ask why its director wasn't asked to do at least one of the latest three sequels, preferably all of them. JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson produced a load of sh*t. |
Rogue One essentially sacked its director in post production (although publicly they state otherwise)and brought in someone to save it (name escapes me right now)
In the original ending Jynn and Cassian survived. If you watch the trailer there’s actually scenes that never featured in the film, such as the tie approaching on Jyn at the top of the tower. [Post edited 23 May 2020 12:43]
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Rogue One essentially sacked its director in post production (although publicly they state otherwise)and brought in someone to save it (name escapes me right now)
In the original ending Jynn and Cassian survived. If you watch the trailer there’s actually scenes that never featured in the film, such as the tie approaching on Jyn at the top of the tower. [Post edited 23 May 2020 12:43]
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Director was a Brit, wasn't he? Gareth something? I just liked Rogue One. The bits with Vader, the bits with Peter Cushing being reanimated, a really good story. I hated Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith and I didn't like Solo. I've watched about two episodes of the Mandalorian.
I quite liked Rise of Skywalker, but didn't like Force Awakens or The Last Jedi. Parts of me wished Lucas hadn't been so quick to make the prequels or sell out to Disney to let them ruin the sequels. They remind me of Jaws; the first film was so good that the other three just can't hope to even lace its boots (and didn't really try that hard either).
Where some sequels can be better (see The Godfather Part 2, Terminator 2), with Star Wars, I guess a lot of the appeal comes from being wowed as a kid in a stuffy cinema in Chelmsford back in the early 80's, sucking the chewed straw on a carton of warm Kia-Ora and marvelling as great space craft honed past the camera, seemingly for minutes. They're not meant to be a thinking man's film, nor do they deserve to be plundered unblushingly for their evocative ideas and premise. |  |
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| Star Wars films ranked in order of preference on 13:37 - May 23 with 799 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Star Wars films ranked in order of preference on 09:30 - May 23 by Libero |
Lots to unpack here but before I do I should say that I went to see it 4 times with various friends and family. I really enjoyed it every time I saw it in the cinema, felt it was a great spectacle even if it did have some very Star Wars issues with it, but the first time I watched it at home it was incredibly underwhelming and the breakneck speed and big visual effects didn't take me on the ride it did in the cinema on multiple occasions.
I dunno if you're aware but Abrams was never supposed to do this film, the fella that's done those piss poor Jurassic Park reboots was supposed to be the director, his script has leaked online and all I can say is i'm glad they didn't make THAT film.
Okay so, will start at the beginning...
"The Force now gives you healing powers/the ability to bring people back from the dead?! Bit of a shame they didn't use it on everyone who died in all the previous movies! Anakin literally turned evil and became Darth Vadar in his quest to get healing powers and Rey just picks them up easy as that!"
- the force doesn't "give" you anything, it surrounds and binds all beings, it's not a magic power. There have been examples of force healing in every Star Wars property, the one you'll probably remember is when Obi-Wan finds Luke in the dessert on Tatooine and he touches him to bring him back round.
Rey (and later Ben) gave away part of their life force in order to sustain/bring round/re-animate the other, it was a selfless act on the light side of the force. Anakin wanted to explore dark science and magic in order to keep both himself and Padme alive, ironically we can see what that leads to in this film with the emperor and it's not pretty...
It's also worth pointing out that different jedi are in tune with different aspects of the force, it's not a case of one knows everything, as I say don't imagine "super powers" imagine it as Lucas has Obi-Wan describe in ANH.
What on earth was the dagger all about? It shows the co-ordinates of the thing Rey was looking for on the wreck of one of the many old Death Stars... if you happen to be standing on the right spot and hold it at the right angle. What?!
It's goofy but I loved that, very Indiana Jones. I guess you could argue that the force led her to be standing in that exact spot and gave her the intuition to open it...
The big reveal - Palpatine is Rey's grandad?!? You're having a laugh! It's just so forced (pardon the pun). And why is everyone in the Star Wars universe related to everyone else?! I just don't buy it.
I liked the message in this but felt the execution was sloppy. It's been publicised that Rian Johnson who directed TLJ took the Rey story in a real different direction than was set out, this felt like JJ was trying to clumsily pull it back round while not stepping toooo hard on TLJ's good bits. I find it hard to swallow but as with most things like this in the SW universe I'm sure there will be additional material which will make it sit better with me over time. Again though, the message is great; you're not defined by the actions of your family, no one is inherently evil, nor inherently good, etc. It's all about the choices we make and the paths we take.
People keep dying and then they're not... Chewy, C3PO, Kylo, Rey. This is just Disney trying to mess with our emotions, but if you keep doing it it just becomes silly.
i think that's a wider SW troupe tbh. You ever heard of Force Ghosts... lol
I enjoyed the Chewie fake out and found C3P0 in the film real on point, many lols.
Ben's sacrifice at the end was the perfect end to his arc in my opinion, although from earlier in conversation in this thread I understand why it may have been underwhelming for you as you didn't think much of his charcter.
Kylo Ren and Rey's kiss... I NEVER saw that coming, probably because there's never been any chemistry between them. They've always seemed like brother and sister (they probably are, I lose track of who's related to who).
Genuinely surprised that you were surprised by this.
The moment they touch hands in the hut in TLJ was described by director Rian Johnson as "the closest thing to a sex scene you'll see in Star Wars" that whole film was littered with a will they, won't they tension - to the point that there's actually a fan cult called "Reylos" who before this happened in TROS spent A LOT of time and effort making podcasts about it, making fan art, talking about it no stop on internet forums, etc.
i think it was the one thing that was nailed on no matter what direction they went with the story, two people who inexcpliity understand each other like no one else, that have shared a bond and are very similar to one another, again I guess as you didn't think much of Kylo beyond the poor Vader impression the seeding in other films may have passed you by.
WTF was that creepy scene with Lando and the girl at the end? "Where do you come from? Let's find out..." Excuse me?!
That was a last minute alteration - the original version of the scene was a call back to a cut scene where Lando say's that the First Order took his daughter and they insinuate more family links. Thankfully they decided against that, but it was weird to repurpose the scene into what it is now, I guess they wanted Lando at the end of the film and that's all they had? It certainly seemed to promise future adventures that I doubt they are going to deliver on...
What did Finn want to tell Rey? They ended the movie before they remembered to answer that.
Again, I'm surprised this passed you by. One of my favourite parts of the film.
Finn is clearly force sensitive. When he talks to Jana (sp?) when he instinctively knows where the signal is coming from on the cruiser, when he senses that Rey is okay, he's in touch with the force and maybe has been ever since The Force Awakens, the conversation between Finn and Jana when they fixed the ship insinuated that the reason that Finn and later Stormtroopers rebelled against their programming and training was because of being in touch with the force, I loved that. You don't have to be a full jedi to be in tune with the force, see Chirrut ÃŽmwe One for example...
It was later confirmed post film by JJ Abrams that this is what Finn wanted to tell Rey.
The only good thing about this movie (apart from the special effects - the space fight scenes were awesome) was Richard E Grant. He was very good as a new bad guy, although I don't know where his character has come from because he seems to have risen up the ranks from nowhere.
There's literally exposition in the film where he's talking to Palpatine via hologram.
"as I served you in the old wars, I will serve you in the new"
That means he was either part of the Imperial reminent/a warlord who was picked up by the First Order/a sleeper agent placed by Palps in the event of his resurrection.
So yeah, in terms of the story itself, an absolute mess. I didn't even include horses running along the outside of a spaceship in the middle of space! You have to suspend a BIT of disbelief!
It is a shambles and the breakneck speed doesn't help as it means a lot of things pass you by if you're really not paying attention. It took me till my 3rd watch to realise a lot of the things I'm talking about here...
They're not running on a spaceship in the middle of space though. They're in the planets atmosphere, remember when Palpatine opened the celling roof and Rey looked up and could actually see the battle happening above her? She then looks past it, beyond it, into space, the galaxy, a world between worlds on another plane and communicates with the jedi passed (although one of them isn't confirmed dead in canon and it's been insinuated she may be alive) - again though, that took me a few views to figure and my instant reaction was the same as yours.
I enjoy the film but have my own issues.
Number one is Palpatines Son, they're going to need to do some reaaaaaaally good weaving in and out of canon to give an explanation about how and why he passed through the net, but I'm sure they will so I'm just parking it.
I'm also a bit gutted that Matt Smith pulled out of playing Palpatine's son as I think visually he's a better fit, thought it was cool that Rey's Mum was Jodie Comer from Killing Eve though.
Other than that my only other unanswered question is about Snoke.
We see bodies resembling Snoke's on Exogol in the Emperors lair, he insinuates he was Snoke with the "I have been every voice, you have ever heard inside your head" line to Kylo early on. - so was Snoke a puppet of Palpatines? Or is that just an elaboration on Palps proclaiming he is "all of the sith" (which I took to be metaphorical, he has the collection of all their knowledge, just as Rey now has the collection of all the jedi knowledge from the texts, etc)
In my head canon currently Snoke is a dark side user that preceded Palpatine that Palpatine ressurected alongside him to use for his nefarious and complicated plan, he used the same dark science and magic body regeneration techniques which is why Snoke looks so gnarly and why there were two Snoke bodies in jars, they'd need replacing regularly as the dark side of the force corrupted their physical being (think the early shot with Palpy's fingers rotting away) - i'm basing that purely off what I saw in TROS and a line that was cut from TFA where Snoke say's he has seen "the rise and fall of the galactic empire"
Anyway, yeah, some real fair criticisms in there.
Ultimatly not my favourite but by no means the worst one going - was alwaysssss a bit of a poison chalice, i'm just glad they've drawn a line under the story and will now be focusing on telling stories in other parts of the galaxy like in the Mandolorian, etc.
If you've any other Star Wars based questions/points of contention, fire them at me, I f*cking love this sh1t :')
Libero - Team Captain of Yates, Ipswich Star Wars Quiz 2019 Champions. xoxo [Post edited 23 May 2020 10:34]
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Brilliant answers, thanks Libs. I was hoping you'd reply!
I think a lot of it was me not paying close enough attention... but it also seems you know lots from other sources, which shouldn't be necessary when you're watching a movie!
I accept your answer re the healing power of the Force. When Obi Wan revives Luke I didn't really think of that in the same vein as resurrection - more like smelling salts!
Fair explanation on the dagger but I still feel it was a bit unnecessary. Presumably Palpatine made it - but why would he bother?
Re: grandad Palpatine - I like what you've said about the message, still don't like it without extra story arcs to explain it. Feels lazy to me - what shall we do to shock/what's worked before?
I liked the Chewy fake out but found C3PO annoying rather than funny when his memory was wiped. I stick to my point here - they had too many 'they're dead/oh no they're not' twists.
Yeah I obviously missed the Ren/Rey romance. Totally passed me by. Maybe I haven't seen enough of TLJ or forgotten too much.
I laughed at the Lando bit - seemed like he was being pervy, but I was tired by then as well. Didn't even twig it was a hint to another future story!
Get what you say about Fin starting to pick up the Force - I did notice that! Just didn't twig that's what he wanted to tell Rey.
I heard the R E Grant line "as I served you in the old wars, I will serve you in the new" and that's partly what confused me - why have we never seen him before then? I did like the way he blew away the 'spy' (who's name escapes me). It felt weird to me that Richard E Grant had taken over from spy guy... surely spy guy would've just been killed for his failings rather than demoted? That's what usually happens to rubbish Empire generals.
Take your point on the horses thing, although I wasn't too bothered about this as I assumed there was some sort of protective shield around the spaceship that included an atmosphere.
I think you're right and I will have to watch it again knowing all this. I probably need to brush up on the others too.
I agree with warkers as well - the originals seemed so much simpler and you got them even though you were a kid at the time. Now I find it hard to work out what's going on (not entirely sure what the glowing Walnut Whip was all about) and all the family relationships. It seems to have got unnecessarily complicated now.
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| Star Wars films ranked in order of preference on 14:31 - May 23 with 785 views | Libero |
| Star Wars films ranked in order of preference on 12:53 - May 23 by Warkystache |
Director was a Brit, wasn't he? Gareth something? I just liked Rogue One. The bits with Vader, the bits with Peter Cushing being reanimated, a really good story. I hated Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith and I didn't like Solo. I've watched about two episodes of the Mandalorian.
I quite liked Rise of Skywalker, but didn't like Force Awakens or The Last Jedi. Parts of me wished Lucas hadn't been so quick to make the prequels or sell out to Disney to let them ruin the sequels. They remind me of Jaws; the first film was so good that the other three just can't hope to even lace its boots (and didn't really try that hard either).
Where some sequels can be better (see The Godfather Part 2, Terminator 2), with Star Wars, I guess a lot of the appeal comes from being wowed as a kid in a stuffy cinema in Chelmsford back in the early 80's, sucking the chewed straw on a carton of warm Kia-Ora and marvelling as great space craft honed past the camera, seemingly for minutes. They're not meant to be a thinking man's film, nor do they deserve to be plundered unblushingly for their evocative ideas and premise. |
Yeah, Edwards is the name on the film and the original director but Tony Gilroy (looked it up) is the man who came in at the 11th hour to fix it up.
Regardless of that, it's a bloody great film.
That's it mate, they're goofy space wizard films that have themes about growing up/finding yourself/family relationships, I love them but I know what they are.
I think the way they're going with drawing a line under the "Skywalker saga" you'll see a lot less of the memberberries-esqe nostalgia. | | | |
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| Star Wars films ranked in order of preference on 13:37 - May 23 by BrixtonBlue |
Brilliant answers, thanks Libs. I was hoping you'd reply!
I think a lot of it was me not paying close enough attention... but it also seems you know lots from other sources, which shouldn't be necessary when you're watching a movie!
I accept your answer re the healing power of the Force. When Obi Wan revives Luke I didn't really think of that in the same vein as resurrection - more like smelling salts!
Fair explanation on the dagger but I still feel it was a bit unnecessary. Presumably Palpatine made it - but why would he bother?
Re: grandad Palpatine - I like what you've said about the message, still don't like it without extra story arcs to explain it. Feels lazy to me - what shall we do to shock/what's worked before?
I liked the Chewy fake out but found C3PO annoying rather than funny when his memory was wiped. I stick to my point here - they had too many 'they're dead/oh no they're not' twists.
Yeah I obviously missed the Ren/Rey romance. Totally passed me by. Maybe I haven't seen enough of TLJ or forgotten too much.
I laughed at the Lando bit - seemed like he was being pervy, but I was tired by then as well. Didn't even twig it was a hint to another future story!
Get what you say about Fin starting to pick up the Force - I did notice that! Just didn't twig that's what he wanted to tell Rey.
I heard the R E Grant line "as I served you in the old wars, I will serve you in the new" and that's partly what confused me - why have we never seen him before then? I did like the way he blew away the 'spy' (who's name escapes me). It felt weird to me that Richard E Grant had taken over from spy guy... surely spy guy would've just been killed for his failings rather than demoted? That's what usually happens to rubbish Empire generals.
Take your point on the horses thing, although I wasn't too bothered about this as I assumed there was some sort of protective shield around the spaceship that included an atmosphere.
I think you're right and I will have to watch it again knowing all this. I probably need to brush up on the others too.
I agree with warkers as well - the originals seemed so much simpler and you got them even though you were a kid at the time. Now I find it hard to work out what's going on (not entirely sure what the glowing Walnut Whip was all about) and all the family relationships. It seems to have got unnecessarily complicated now.
I appreciated your response anyway! |
I think a lot of it was me not paying close enough attention... but it also seems you know lots from other sources, which shouldn't be necessary when you're watching a movie!
I do but I can see both sides of it, a lot of the hardcore fans argue that there isn't enough pay off from the extra canon material to warrant it, so I'd suggest that it's not essential really.
Fair explanation on the dagger but I still feel it was a bit unnecessary. Presumably Palpatine made it - but why would he bother?
I think judging from the film that the dagger was made by Ochi (the skellington they found) as a failsafe incase of his death/capture/whatever - but yeah, it's goofy and campy and convienent.
I heard the R E Grant line "as I served you in the old wars, I will serve you in the new" and that's partly what confused me - why have we never seen him before then? I did like the way he blew away the 'spy' (who's name escapes me). It felt weird to me that Richard E Grant had taken over from spy guy... surely spy guy would've just been killed for his failings rather than demoted? That's what usually happens to rubbish Empire generals.
It's a large galaxy, buh! I imagine he was working away during the events of the original trilogy on Imperial occupation of a planet that didn't feature in the story, hence his survival through to the final order. Anything could have happened inbetween as I said in the previous post, warlord/imperial reminent/etc.
I agree with warkers as well - the originals seemed so much simpler and you got them even though you were a kid at the time. Now I find it hard to work out what's going on (not entirely sure what the glowing Walnut Whip was all about) and all the family relationships. It seems to have got unnecessarily complicated now.
Yeah, absolutely, although to play devils advocate to that it's obviously going to get more complicated with each addition to the same story, it certainly didn't help that there's a lot of backwards engineering due to ANH being chapter 4 of the story.
There's something for everyone in amongst the films and obviously depending when you were born and what you saw and when different films/charcters/etc will resonate with you. They've build a whole world off the back of those 3 original films and George's vision and values, it's as rich as Tolkien only with thousands more collaborators and across multi-mediums. Fables/Fairytales of the Modern Age.
You watched any episodes of Mando yet?
It's the future mate, expect an MCU style interweaving of many different TV and Film projects from Lucas Film off the back of this.
Kenobi - TV Series
Cassian Andor - TV Series (set before Rogue One at the very formation of the Rebellion, I expect Infyas Nest from Solo to feature as they teased her involvement in the start of the Rebellion in that)
Ahsoka Tano - TV Series (very popular animated charcter who is making the leap to live action, being played by Rosario Dawson)
Tika Waitti (sp?) - has confirmed he's directing a film,
Kevin Fiege - I believe has confirmed he's directing a film,
Other projects which are just rumours currently too, all will be VERY different from the "Skywalker Saga"
I think that Disney know the Sequel Trilogy wasn't that well received and suffered with not having a clear vision from the start and they're keen to make sure they renforce their investment ensure more stability in franchise which even by it's own weird standards has been very fractured/divided of late.
It's no coincidence that Favaru is doing Mando to launch this MCU style interweaving of multiple stories, he's the man that launched the MCU stuff with Iron Man.
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I think a lot of it was me not paying close enough attention... but it also seems you know lots from other sources, which shouldn't be necessary when you're watching a movie!
I do but I can see both sides of it, a lot of the hardcore fans argue that there isn't enough pay off from the extra canon material to warrant it, so I'd suggest that it's not essential really.
Fair explanation on the dagger but I still feel it was a bit unnecessary. Presumably Palpatine made it - but why would he bother?
I think judging from the film that the dagger was made by Ochi (the skellington they found) as a failsafe incase of his death/capture/whatever - but yeah, it's goofy and campy and convienent.
I heard the R E Grant line "as I served you in the old wars, I will serve you in the new" and that's partly what confused me - why have we never seen him before then? I did like the way he blew away the 'spy' (who's name escapes me). It felt weird to me that Richard E Grant had taken over from spy guy... surely spy guy would've just been killed for his failings rather than demoted? That's what usually happens to rubbish Empire generals.
It's a large galaxy, buh! I imagine he was working away during the events of the original trilogy on Imperial occupation of a planet that didn't feature in the story, hence his survival through to the final order. Anything could have happened inbetween as I said in the previous post, warlord/imperial reminent/etc.
I agree with warkers as well - the originals seemed so much simpler and you got them even though you were a kid at the time. Now I find it hard to work out what's going on (not entirely sure what the glowing Walnut Whip was all about) and all the family relationships. It seems to have got unnecessarily complicated now.
Yeah, absolutely, although to play devils advocate to that it's obviously going to get more complicated with each addition to the same story, it certainly didn't help that there's a lot of backwards engineering due to ANH being chapter 4 of the story.
There's something for everyone in amongst the films and obviously depending when you were born and what you saw and when different films/charcters/etc will resonate with you. They've build a whole world off the back of those 3 original films and George's vision and values, it's as rich as Tolkien only with thousands more collaborators and across multi-mediums. Fables/Fairytales of the Modern Age.
You watched any episodes of Mando yet?
It's the future mate, expect an MCU style interweaving of many different TV and Film projects from Lucas Film off the back of this.
Kenobi - TV Series
Cassian Andor - TV Series (set before Rogue One at the very formation of the Rebellion, I expect Infyas Nest from Solo to feature as they teased her involvement in the start of the Rebellion in that)
Ahsoka Tano - TV Series (very popular animated charcter who is making the leap to live action, being played by Rosario Dawson)
Tika Waitti (sp?) - has confirmed he's directing a film,
Kevin Fiege - I believe has confirmed he's directing a film,
Other projects which are just rumours currently too, all will be VERY different from the "Skywalker Saga"
I think that Disney know the Sequel Trilogy wasn't that well received and suffered with not having a clear vision from the start and they're keen to make sure they renforce their investment ensure more stability in franchise which even by it's own weird standards has been very fractured/divided of late.
It's no coincidence that Favaru is doing Mando to launch this MCU style interweaving of multiple stories, he's the man that launched the MCU stuff with Iron Man.
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Lots of stuff to come then. No, haven't seen Mando yet. | |
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| Star Wars films ranked in order of preference on 15:06 - May 23 by BrixtonBlue |
Lots of stuff to come then. No, haven't seen Mando yet. |
Yep, I get the feeling it will be a bit like David Mitchell's sketch about football.
WATCH ALL THE STAR WARS, ALL THE TIME.
THEN NEXT YEAR, WE START AGAIN, MORE STAR WARS :')
Ahhh, I'm jealous you get to witness it for the first time. Prepare to be surprised, buh. | | | |
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| Star Wars films ranked in order of preference on 15:07 - May 23 by Libero |
Yep, I get the feeling it will be a bit like David Mitchell's sketch about football.
WATCH ALL THE STAR WARS, ALL THE TIME.
THEN NEXT YEAR, WE START AGAIN, MORE STAR WARS :')
Ahhh, I'm jealous you get to witness it for the first time. Prepare to be surprised, buh. |
Libs, how do you think Disney will conjure the magic of that original trilogy though? It's that which really keeps the fans coming back. 'New' series featuring characters who played a bit part in the sequels is all well and good, but there's a lesson to be learned as well.
For me, Solo didn't work because I didn't believe the actor playing Han Solo would become the Harrison Ford character in the originals. It's not the same as something like Endeavour, for example, where you can see characteristics in Shaun Evans' portrayal that eventually become John Thaw's portrayal.
Disney could 'prequel' and 'sequel' any character. We don't know much about Leia's early life on Alderon. We don't know anything about how the jedi do that disappearing thing when they die. We don't know much about R2D2 and C3PO's earlier 'adventures'. New characters would surely have to be exceptionally well-written to retain any interest for anyone who isn't a die-hard fan of the Star Wars world. Everything will be judged on the original trilogy, with no points of reference for your casual observer.
I think that's why I've not really got into The Mandalorian. | |
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Libs, how do you think Disney will conjure the magic of that original trilogy though? It's that which really keeps the fans coming back. 'New' series featuring characters who played a bit part in the sequels is all well and good, but there's a lesson to be learned as well.
For me, Solo didn't work because I didn't believe the actor playing Han Solo would become the Harrison Ford character in the originals. It's not the same as something like Endeavour, for example, where you can see characteristics in Shaun Evans' portrayal that eventually become John Thaw's portrayal.
Disney could 'prequel' and 'sequel' any character. We don't know much about Leia's early life on Alderon. We don't know anything about how the jedi do that disappearing thing when they die. We don't know much about R2D2 and C3PO's earlier 'adventures'. New characters would surely have to be exceptionally well-written to retain any interest for anyone who isn't a die-hard fan of the Star Wars world. Everything will be judged on the original trilogy, with no points of reference for your casual observer.
I think that's why I've not really got into The Mandalorian. |
There's a philosophy and set of values at the heart of all good Star Wars stories that go beyond knowing the characters, I think the Mandalorian has proven that this is transferable in live action without feeling like a copy.
I appreciate you say you've not really gotten into it but it's been a big hit with hardcore fans and normies alike.
There's a chap called Dave Filoni who is essentially George Lucas' apprentice.
George hired him to work on the animated shows after Filoni created a very popular animated show for Nickleoden called Avatar, the last airbender.
Everything Filoni has done for Star Wars has been incredible, he's told larger stories about smaller characters but he's also created incredible new characters and stories that are challenging, especially when you consider all of his previous work is in animation.
He worked on the Mandalorian alongside Favaru as a final step in his apprenticeship, it was his first ever piece of work in live action and it appears that Disney are setting him up to be the gatekeeper and to ensure a level of quality, consistency and creativity that was evidently missing from the sequel trilogy.
Filoni gets it and makes brave and bold creative choices, there's more pathos in his "Clone Wars" TV series than all the prequel films combined and it's supposed to be a cartoon aimed at children.
I enjoyed Solo for various other reasons but I wasn't a fan of Alden Ehrenreich, it was another one of those great in premiss but poor in execution situations.
I liked that Han was so optimistic and that you saw events happen to him that would essentially shape him into the character he'd become but it wasn't done in any way above average and it's not a story that the majority of fans needed or requested.
I feel bad for Donald Glover, I thought he was a sh1t hot Lando.
I don't think you'll never see a live action prequel for Leia for a variety of reasons, for one it'd instantly have the same kind of issues as Solo suffered but most importantly storywise it wouldn't make too much sense as in other media they've basically told the story. I don't think that will be Disney's modus operandi anyway, the moment they realised Solo had bombed they cancelled ALL plans of the anthology films and moved onto this TV plan which at the moment looks like a great move.
In other media like animation, books, graphic novels Disney have expanded upon or created characters and stories away from the films that are genuinely different to the original trilogy/Skywalker saga yet are still quintessentially Star Wars.
There are some exceptional new characters in canon that will make the leap into live action and a few who will be in the next season of the Mandalorian.
I have a few favourites and if any one is interested i'm more than happy to recommend the best of the books/graphic novels/audioplays/animated series'
There's a lot of great stuff but as you might imagine there's also a lot of "meh" stuff. [Post edited 23 May 2020 17:41]
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