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How long has Prince Andrew got then 20:15 - Jul 5 with 5934 viewsgtsb1966

before it all comes out. Yes I know it's a Sun link but it's all over the internet. With the arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell I can see things getting very awkward for Andrew.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12019225/prince-andrew-ghislaine-maxwell-virgina-g
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How long has Prince Andrew got then on 11:15 - Jul 6 with 661 viewsPendejo

How long has Prince Andrew got then on 08:49 - Jul 6 by Crawfordsboot

And on what evidence do you base your conclusion that Epstein’s death was more than just suicide. What do you know that the rest of us don’t?

This is how conspiracy theories start on the net.

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Having watched the Netflix mini series on Epstein I am now clearly an expert....

However, I would assert that he had enough dirt on enough important people to be dangerous to them. The circumstances of his incarceration and death are such that most logical thinking individuals could conclude it is possible that he could have been assisted on his departure from this mortal coil.

I don't mean that the circumstances were set up specifically for him, more that existing failings made it easier to get to him. Issues with cameras, dispute of interpretation of autopsy findings etc.

The stuff about Krischer and Acosta is horrendous for the notion of impartial law and order.

Who was the last big name to have some sort on RF, and how did it end for them?

Alternatively, he has escaped to some mysterious island for the rich and famous who seek to escape the public eye. Previous residents; Elvis, Captain Bob (Maxwell), Freddie Mercury. Or is it the lizard other world?

Finally, hadn't paid much attention to this case, so had missed that Ghislaine Maxwell was the offspring of Captain Bob Pension Raider. Here's hoping justice prevails.

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How long has Prince Andrew got then on 11:17 - Jul 6 with 662 viewshampstead_blue

big piece in the Sunday Times as well.

He, Trump, and many, many others ought to be pooping themselves, just a little.

This does show just how much the elite close ranks and protect each other. If this was a working class thing it would be smashed open but as there are (possibly) names which include a serving President, ex-presidents, Andy, and more, I'd wager it all get's quietly pushed aside.

About time they had the mother of all bloody noses.

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How long has Prince Andrew got then on 11:41 - Jul 6 with 631 viewsfloridaboy

How long has Prince Andrew got then on 11:17 - Jul 6 by hampstead_blue

big piece in the Sunday Times as well.

He, Trump, and many, many others ought to be pooping themselves, just a little.

This does show just how much the elite close ranks and protect each other. If this was a working class thing it would be smashed open but as there are (possibly) names which include a serving President, ex-presidents, Andy, and more, I'd wager it all get's quietly pushed aside.

About time they had the mother of all bloody noses.


There is plenty of photos appearing showing Trumpy and Epstein with various young women. One with Trumpy and his now wife.

Will be interesting to see if Maxwell spills her guts on everything to try and get some sort of plea bargain.

If she spills the beans it may get really interesting in the months ahead!
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How long has Prince Andrew got then on 11:50 - Jul 6 with 611 viewsMullet

How long has Prince Andrew got then on 10:52 - Jul 6 by WeWereZombies

Again I would ask you to consider agenda setting, who decides what is meritorious? And I do not think a tabula rasa is possible for the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland (would that it were and we could see the back of sectarianism). It is good to push for perfection, but to expect perfectionism is a false hope - surely any Town supporter can see that?


Do you mean agenda setting in the media sense? As it is clear they are as complicit as anyone in these issues.

To say you shouldn't push for perfection and accept falling short is an attitude I just can't get behind. It's one I challenge all the time in my job.

You can't cite social consensus earlier in this thread in terms of the status quo then deny it when it comes to change. Who decides? We decide. That's a social thread going back to the polis' and tyrannies of Greece.

It's more than possible to have a system where elect representatives who are responsible for policy and held to account for who they listen to ,what they do and how it affects society.

We deserve and should demand better, that's why for all its faults BLM vs. blm in the eyes of the population and the reductive nonsense being spewed to counter it show we can do better and have big hurdles to overcome still.

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How long has Prince Andrew got then on 12:25 - Jul 6 with 584 viewsWeWereZombies

How long has Prince Andrew got then on 11:50 - Jul 6 by Mullet

Do you mean agenda setting in the media sense? As it is clear they are as complicit as anyone in these issues.

To say you shouldn't push for perfection and accept falling short is an attitude I just can't get behind. It's one I challenge all the time in my job.

You can't cite social consensus earlier in this thread in terms of the status quo then deny it when it comes to change. Who decides? We decide. That's a social thread going back to the polis' and tyrannies of Greece.

It's more than possible to have a system where elect representatives who are responsible for policy and held to account for who they listen to ,what they do and how it affects society.

We deserve and should demand better, that's why for all its faults BLM vs. blm in the eyes of the population and the reductive nonsense being spewed to counter it show we can do better and have big hurdles to overcome still.


Two things clearly wrong there - firstly I mean agenda setting in the agenda setting sense. As in dialectical.

Secondly, I did say push for perfection, just not to expect it. Encouragement is great, punishing people for falling short of an ideal that may not be their own is cruel.

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How long has Prince Andrew got then on 12:52 - Jul 6 with 565 viewsMullet

How long has Prince Andrew got then on 12:25 - Jul 6 by WeWereZombies

Two things clearly wrong there - firstly I mean agenda setting in the agenda setting sense. As in dialectical.

Secondly, I did say push for perfection, just not to expect it. Encouragement is great, punishing people for falling short of an ideal that may not be their own is cruel.


Hence my clarification, I wasn't sure if you meant in one context or another. It's clear this country still trades off this rosy world view where we are the lovable John Bull, bringers of modernity, civility and winners of two wars no one really won, in the heads of too many people.

That hangs in a large part on the classist assumptions I dislike.

I agree with your last part in practical terms just not idealism. We really need to wake up to the fact we are a small island getting left behind by our own vanity and arrogance as a nation. Doing away with the Windsors (not in a deadly sense!) is a good step to rectifying a lot of that in my view and always will be.

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How long has Prince Andrew got then on 13:04 - Jul 6 with 552 viewsWeWereZombies

How long has Prince Andrew got then on 12:52 - Jul 6 by Mullet

Hence my clarification, I wasn't sure if you meant in one context or another. It's clear this country still trades off this rosy world view where we are the lovable John Bull, bringers of modernity, civility and winners of two wars no one really won, in the heads of too many people.

That hangs in a large part on the classist assumptions I dislike.

I agree with your last part in practical terms just not idealism. We really need to wake up to the fact we are a small island getting left behind by our own vanity and arrogance as a nation. Doing away with the Windsors (not in a deadly sense!) is a good step to rectifying a lot of that in my view and always will be.


Thanks, a good response to points I was worried I had made too forcibly. I still think that Britain could carry on as a constitutional monarchy in the way that Denmark and The Netherlands do - provided we ditched first-past-the-post for proportional representation. But the sense of entitlement that comes with grace and favour systems (and this applies to papal appointments, old boy and old girl networks too) is divisive and ultimately makes the state weaker. However, I think it can be controlled provided it gets a fair share of deflationary criticism and this is where your counter view is very important, in my opinion.

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How long has Prince Andrew got then on 13:14 - Jul 6 with 543 viewshampstead_blue

How long has Prince Andrew got then on 11:41 - Jul 6 by floridaboy

There is plenty of photos appearing showing Trumpy and Epstein with various young women. One with Trumpy and his now wife.

Will be interesting to see if Maxwell spills her guts on everything to try and get some sort of plea bargain.

If she spills the beans it may get really interesting in the months ahead!


The Sunday Times thought that her arrest was the end of a process and implied that she'd already been talking to the FBI and others.

I'd love it for her to burst open the can and bury the elite. They need a bloody nose or two.

Something tells me I might be pishing in the wind.

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How long has Prince Andrew got then on 15:21 - Jul 6 with 497 viewsTRUE_BLUE123

The royal family is outdated anyway and dodgy a hell.

Hopefully he gets the book thrown at him but I mean his story doesn't add up at all. He won't though, the royal family will keep him safe as they are as dodgy as him

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How long has Prince Andrew got then on 15:28 - Jul 6 with 490 viewsFenboyBlue

That's a question for Fergie, surely. Or maybe Koo Stark ?
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