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France are having no luck. 10:55 - Jul 18 with 6373 viewsShawsey

Notre Dame all over again. Tragic.

https://news.sky.com/story/nantes-cathedral-on-fire-flames-lick-15th-century-fac
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France are having no luck. on 18:52 - Jul 18 with 620 viewsShawsey

France are having no luck. on 18:48 - Jul 18 by SpruceMoose

I was referring to your dig about his mental state and whether he's been drinking. It was unnecessary.
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I just said he seems quite angry and maybe had a drink. I have seen you say that about others on here, so why is this any different?
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France are having no luck. on 18:55 - Jul 18 with 609 viewsmonytowbray

France are having no luck. on 18:52 - Jul 18 by Shawsey

I just said he seems quite angry and maybe had a drink. I have seen you say that about others on here, so why is this any different?
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Because my point is structured, valid and I’ve put it clear.

You not grasping it isn’t my problem, I’ve explained it.

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France are having no luck. on 18:56 - Jul 18 with 601 viewsSpruceMoose

France are having no luck. on 18:52 - Jul 18 by Shawsey

I just said he seems quite angry and maybe had a drink. I have seen you say that about others on here, so why is this any different?
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I think the words you're looking for are 'Sorry Callis'.

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France are having no luck. on 18:56 - Jul 18 with 600 viewsShawsey

France are having no luck. on 18:55 - Jul 18 by monytowbray

Because my point is structured, valid and I’ve put it clear.

You not grasping it isn’t my problem, I’ve explained it.


You haven't explained how a church is organised religion.
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France are having no luck. on 18:59 - Jul 18 with 593 viewsShawsey

France are having no luck. on 18:56 - Jul 18 by SpruceMoose

I think the words you're looking for are 'Sorry Callis'.


But I am not sorry. He does seem angry about this subject. I am not talking about religion, just churches. He started with the whole organised religion stuff. This post was about a cathedral being on fire.
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France are having no luck. on 19:02 - Jul 18 with 586 viewsmonytowbray

France are having no luck. on 18:56 - Jul 18 by Shawsey

You haven't explained how a church is organised religion.


They are building being ran with money that could have been spent elsewhere by an organisation preaching equality.

You could argue the same for most buildings but religion is a dated concept and could easily move on from the need for big buildings to centralised worship. Money where your mouth is and all that.

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France are having no luck. on 19:03 - Jul 18 with 583 viewsmonytowbray

France are having no luck. on 18:59 - Jul 18 by Shawsey

But I am not sorry. He does seem angry about this subject. I am not talking about religion, just churches. He started with the whole organised religion stuff. This post was about a cathedral being on fire.


That’s the problem, your point is irrelevant to mine. So why keep making it? You’ve just bloody admitted it!

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France are having no luck. on 19:06 - Jul 18 with 573 viewsSpruceMoose

France are having no luck. on 18:59 - Jul 18 by Shawsey

But I am not sorry. He does seem angry about this subject. I am not talking about religion, just churches. He started with the whole organised religion stuff. This post was about a cathedral being on fire.


You seem more concerned with winding him up to be honest, but whatevs.

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France are having no luck. on 19:11 - Jul 18 with 564 viewsShawsey

France are having no luck. on 19:02 - Jul 18 by monytowbray

They are building being ran with money that could have been spent elsewhere by an organisation preaching equality.

You could argue the same for most buildings but religion is a dated concept and could easily move on from the need for big buildings to centralised worship. Money where your mouth is and all that.


But that is just your opinion, which is different to mine. That is all you had to say. A difference of opinion is no bad thing. You think churches are one thing and I think they are something else. All clear now.
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France are having no luck. on 19:16 - Jul 18 with 555 viewsmonytowbray

France are having no luck. on 19:11 - Jul 18 by Shawsey

But that is just your opinion, which is different to mine. That is all you had to say. A difference of opinion is no bad thing. You think churches are one thing and I think they are something else. All clear now.


It’s not a difference of opinion as you haven’t even comprehended my point. It’s beyond you evidently.

But whatever makes you feel less silly I guess.

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France are having no luck. on 19:19 - Jul 18 with 551 viewsShawsey

France are having no luck. on 19:16 - Jul 18 by monytowbray

It’s not a difference of opinion as you haven’t even comprehended my point. It’s beyond you evidently.

But whatever makes you feel less silly I guess.


It only seems silly to you because of your view of churches, which is different to mine. I have been accused of trying to wind you up, when the exact opposite seems to be the case. Difference of opinions, that is all this is.
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France are having no luck. on 19:21 - Jul 18 with 549 viewsmonytowbray

France are having no luck. on 19:19 - Jul 18 by Shawsey

It only seems silly to you because of your view of churches, which is different to mine. I have been accused of trying to wind you up, when the exact opposite seems to be the case. Difference of opinions, that is all this is.


I think you’ve fell into your own trap now to be honest.
All you’ve done is scream into an echo chamber and failed to learn anything.

Again, not my problem.

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France are having no luck. on 19:24 - Jul 18 with 544 viewsShawsey

France are having no luck. on 19:21 - Jul 18 by monytowbray

I think you’ve fell into your own trap now to be honest.
All you’ve done is scream into an echo chamber and failed to learn anything.

Again, not my problem.


Learn anything? You are making this into something it isn't. You think churches are organised religion, or a symbol of. I don't. That is just a difference of opinion, not an argument, which you seem adamant to make it. A difference of opinion, that is all it is.
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France are having no luck. on 19:26 - Jul 18 with 541 viewsSpruceMoose

France are having no luck. on 19:24 - Jul 18 by Shawsey

Learn anything? You are making this into something it isn't. You think churches are organised religion, or a symbol of. I don't. That is just a difference of opinion, not an argument, which you seem adamant to make it. A difference of opinion, that is all it is.


Maybe you could say why you think churches are not a symbol of organised religion?

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France are having no luck. on 19:28 - Jul 18 with 537 viewsmonytowbray

France are having no luck. on 19:26 - Jul 18 by SpruceMoose

Maybe you could say why you think churches are not a symbol of organised religion?


Perhaps now we might get somewhere. Good question.

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France are having no luck. on 19:32 - Jul 18 with 532 viewsmonytowbray

France are having no luck. on 19:24 - Jul 18 by Shawsey

Learn anything? You are making this into something it isn't. You think churches are organised religion, or a symbol of. I don't. That is just a difference of opinion, not an argument, which you seem adamant to make it. A difference of opinion, that is all it is.


The problem is the point and their place in society was the debate. The “is/is not” side of it is mot really the point.

You’re debating the what and not the how.

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France are having no luck. on 19:32 - Jul 18 with 531 viewsShawsey

France are having no luck. on 19:26 - Jul 18 by SpruceMoose

Maybe you could say why you think churches are not a symbol of organised religion?


As I have said before, would rather not talk about religion. It is a personal thing. The poster is entitled to think it is, I am entitle to think it isn't. I also think that Charity is a wonderful thing, but this person doesn't. That is their opinion, I have a different one. I will leave it there as I think the poster is looking for an argument on this, which I am not prepared to have. Another thing ( American politics ) I shall try and steer away from on here.
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France are having no luck. on 19:34 - Jul 18 with 527 viewsmonytowbray

France are having no luck. on 19:32 - Jul 18 by Shawsey

As I have said before, would rather not talk about religion. It is a personal thing. The poster is entitled to think it is, I am entitle to think it isn't. I also think that Charity is a wonderful thing, but this person doesn't. That is their opinion, I have a different one. I will leave it there as I think the poster is looking for an argument on this, which I am not prepared to have. Another thing ( American politics ) I shall try and steer away from on here.


What a fantastic cop out that was.

You earned your idiot hat today I think.

When did I say charity was not a superb thing? I know Spruce says I can go in a bit heavy but that statement is outright idiotic.

You’ve managed to unpick your entire argument in your first sentence!

Superb.
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France are having no luck. on 19:38 - Jul 18 with 512 viewsSpruceMoose

France are having no luck. on 19:32 - Jul 18 by Shawsey

As I have said before, would rather not talk about religion. It is a personal thing. The poster is entitled to think it is, I am entitle to think it isn't. I also think that Charity is a wonderful thing, but this person doesn't. That is their opinion, I have a different one. I will leave it there as I think the poster is looking for an argument on this, which I am not prepared to have. Another thing ( American politics ) I shall try and steer away from on here.


You've done nothing but talk about religion in this thread. You're saying Callis is wrong, but you won't say why?

Yeah, you're definitely on the wind up. Some Peckers never change.

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France are having no luck. on 19:38 - Jul 18 with 511 viewsShawsey

France are having no luck. on 19:34 - Jul 18 by monytowbray

What a fantastic cop out that was.

You earned your idiot hat today I think.

When did I say charity was not a superb thing? I know Spruce says I can go in a bit heavy but that statement is outright idiotic.

You’ve managed to unpick your entire argument in your first sentence!

Superb.
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I haven't tried to make any "point". I think a church on fire is a sad thing, you think they should be destroyed or change of use. What "point" was I trying to make? You brought up the whole organised religion stuff, not me. I never said you were wrong and that I was right, just a difference of opinion. I fail to see what "point" you think I was trying to make.
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France are having no luck. on 19:39 - Jul 18 with 509 viewsSpruceMoose

France are having no luck. on 19:34 - Jul 18 by monytowbray

What a fantastic cop out that was.

You earned your idiot hat today I think.

When did I say charity was not a superb thing? I know Spruce says I can go in a bit heavy but that statement is outright idiotic.

You’ve managed to unpick your entire argument in your first sentence!

Superb.
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I think you're being pretty restrained now!

Peckers gonna Peck.

Ignore and move on.

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France are having no luck. on 19:45 - Jul 18 with 498 viewsShawsey

France are having no luck. on 19:38 - Jul 18 by SpruceMoose

You've done nothing but talk about religion in this thread. You're saying Callis is wrong, but you won't say why?

Yeah, you're definitely on the wind up. Some Peckers never change.


All I have said is that religion is a personal thing. How s that wrong? I do not believe religion is organised, the poster does. That is just a difference of opinion. You seem pretty intent on trying to make this into something it isn't. it is just a difference of opinion. I have never said "Callis"? is "wrong". I said he seems angry and maybe had a drink, I have seen much worse from you. I really don't see why you 2 are trying to turn this into something it isn't. IT IS JUST A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
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France are having no luck. on 19:50 - Jul 18 with 494 viewsmonytowbray

France are having no luck. on 19:45 - Jul 18 by Shawsey

All I have said is that religion is a personal thing. How s that wrong? I do not believe religion is organised, the poster does. That is just a difference of opinion. You seem pretty intent on trying to make this into something it isn't. it is just a difference of opinion. I have never said "Callis"? is "wrong". I said he seems angry and maybe had a drink, I have seen much worse from you. I really don't see why you 2 are trying to turn this into something it isn't. IT IS JUST A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.


You’ve not actually answered my question which is quite ironic.

You’ve came out of this looking too dumb to debate religion’s role in society. It wasn’t a hard debate to grasp but you knocked it out the park and kept screaming about opinions.

Well done.

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France are having no luck. on 20:00 - Jul 18 with 483 viewsShawsey

France are having no luck. on 19:50 - Jul 18 by monytowbray

You’ve not actually answered my question which is quite ironic.

You’ve came out of this looking too dumb to debate religion’s role in society. It wasn’t a hard debate to grasp but you knocked it out the park and kept screaming about opinions.

Well done.


I wasn't having a "debate". I just don't think a church is organised religion. To call me "dumb" about that, is confusing to me. I do not wish to discuss religion on here. I just asked a question and you believe you answered it. No "debate", just a difference of opinion. Why you and the other one are turning it into, or trying to turn it into something that it isn't, is baffling to me. You believe what you like and I shall believe what I like. That isn't a "debate", just a difference of opinion. I had a similar conversation with the other poster about American politic. He believed one thing, I thought something different. No right or wrong, just a difference of opinion. That is all this is from my side anyway.
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France are having no luck. on 20:19 - Jul 18 with 465 viewsmonytowbray

France are having no luck. on 20:00 - Jul 18 by Shawsey

I wasn't having a "debate". I just don't think a church is organised religion. To call me "dumb" about that, is confusing to me. I do not wish to discuss religion on here. I just asked a question and you believe you answered it. No "debate", just a difference of opinion. Why you and the other one are turning it into, or trying to turn it into something that it isn't, is baffling to me. You believe what you like and I shall believe what I like. That isn't a "debate", just a difference of opinion. I had a similar conversation with the other poster about American politic. He believed one thing, I thought something different. No right or wrong, just a difference of opinion. That is all this is from my side anyway.


I'm going to leave you to be dim with yourself now as evidently you suffer from a severe case of Dunning Kruger.

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